E-Class W214 [Official] New Mercedes-Benz E-Class (W214)

[Serpens]

The knee crowding is real near the Superscreen, but otherwise it felt the exact same inside from a space perspective as the W213.

 

[PsychDoc]

Due to supply issues, deliveries will be Q4 2024

Has this been verified by other independent sources? If this is true it's almost catastrophic.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Has this been verified by other independent sources? If this is true it's almost catastrophic.

Lange Lieferzeiten für GLC und E-Klasse Mildhybrid

Die 48 Volt Batterien verursachen beim Mercedes GLC (X254) und der neuen E-Klasse (W214) lange Lieferzeiten

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MB passion and Jesus are usually well informed. In this case I wouldn’t doubt the information.

 

[BMW3GT]

MB passion and Jesus are usually well informed. In this case I wouldn’t doubt the information.

Yes, we believe is Jesus!

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Yes, we believe is Jesus!

autocorrect doing it’s thing.

 

[PsychDoc]

If it's not going to be available until the end of 2024, I'd assume it will be introduced as a 2025 model year car. This is really a catastrophic failure for many now in the market for a new mid-sized luxury car (i.e. me). It gives the 5 series a huge boost and will drastically impact MB earnings.

Hard to believe that MB can't source these batteries from somewhere or someone else. Where is BMW getting their batteries from?

 

[leylandi]

Ola Källenius has set up a task force. Mercedes production experts are to be sent to the Bosch plant in Eisenach. The battery design of the GLC and E-Class is relatively complex. It combines the 12 and 48 volt battery with a DC-DC converter and the power electronics in a compact housing.

Anyone who orders the GLC and E-Class as a plug-in hybrid with a 400-volt battery will receive delivery in 3-5 months. Mercedes could also make attractive offers to customers to reorder a 300e, 400e or 300de.

The CLE and C-Class have a slightly smaller 48 volt mild hybrid battery and are not affected by the Bosch bottleneck.

 

[leylandi]

If it's not going to be available until the end of 2024, I'd assume it will be introduced as a 2025 model year car. This is really a catastrophic failure for many now in the market for a new mid-sized luxury car (i.e. me). It gives the 5 series a huge boost and will drastically impact MB earnings.

Hard to believe that MB can't source these batteries from somewhere or someone else. Where is BMW getting their batteries from?

Unlike Mercedes, BMW uses the belt starter generator RSG. Mercedes C class and above models use the integrated generator ISG. Previously, 4-cylinder models used the system from BMW. It is now only used in front-drive models and the 4-cylinder AMG E-Performance system.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

If it's not going to be available until the end of 2024, I'd assume it will be introduced as a 2025 model year car. This is really a catastrophic failure for many now in the market for a new mid-sized luxury car (i.e. me). It gives the 5 series a huge boost and will drastically impact MB earnings.

Hard to believe that MB can't source these batteries from somewhere or someone else. Where is BMW getting their batteries from?

Could be up to € 500.000.000 of profit loss.

Mercedes 48 Volt Engpass kostet 500 Mio. EUR Gewinn

Der Engpass der Bosch 48 Volt Mild-Hybrid Batterien soll Mercedes-Benz 2023 rund 500 Mio. EUR Gewinn kosten

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[dalab]

Hard to believe that MB can't source these batteries from somewhere or someone else.

Ola Källenius has set up a task force. Mercedes production experts are to be sent to the Bosch plant in Eisenach. The battery design of the GLC and E-Class is relatively complex.

In other words, it ends up being Mercedes' fault for designing something of such extreme complexity that even Bosch is difficult to carry out in a timely manner...
I wonder what Bosch's defense is for all this, any statement?

Could be up to € 500.000.000 of profit loss.

I wonder what you have to do in this companies to get fired if not that, kill someone?

 

[Serpens]

In other words, it ends up being Mercedes' fault for designing something of such extreme complexity that even Bosch is difficult to carry out in a timely manner...
I wonder what Bosch's defense is for all this, any statement?

I wonder what you have to do in this companies to get fired if not that, kill someone?

Uh no, it isn't Mercedes fault for designing something complex. That is an absurd notion to make. Bosch agreed to make it and agreed on the production targets. It's Bosch's fault for failing to deliver. Are you seriously that dense?

 

[dalab]

Uh no, it isn't Mercedes fault for designing something complex. That is an absurd notion to make. Bosch agreed to make it and agreed on the production targets. It's Bosch's fault for failing to deliver. Are you seriously that dense?

Do you need to be rude?

If any mortal undertaking knows well that it is doing or proposing something extremely complex to do, it knows well the margins of error that can occur....not to mention a large company.

At Bosch they may be stupid but at Mercedes not? Who is the one who is losing the 500 million?
That's why I asked if there is a Bosch statement on this matter.
So once again it is not necessary for you to put names to answer, are we clear?

 

[Serpens]

Do you need to be rude?

If any mortal undertaking knows well that it is doing or proposing something extremely complex to do, it knows well the margins of error that can occur....not to mention a large company.

At Bosch they may be stupid but at Mercedes not? Who is the one who is losing the 500 million?
That's why I asked if there is a Bosch statement on this matter.
So once again it is not necessary for you to put names to answer, are we clear?

I do feel the need to be rude because you approach threads in the same manner every time no matter the Mercedes-related subject and it is beyond annoying. You have decreased the quality of this forum.

Margins of error don't generally include delaying product by an entire year. You'll notice I did not call Bosch stupid but I did say it was their fault. The word "stupid" was used only by you. Bosch isn't going to release a statement because their job as a supplier is not to create an adversarial relationship and it is very clearly their fault in this matter. You can bet there is language in the contract that will cause Bosch to face penalties for this error.

Bosch has been a tier one supplier for Mercedes for much longer than the time you've existed on this planet. This is hardly the first time Mercedes has trusted them with a complex undertaking.

 

[leylandi]

I think this guy is deliberately acting like an idiot. It's funnier when he makes the other person look like a fool.

 

[Kukobana]

new information :

Bosch explained: "This issue is an absolute priority at Bosch. We are working at full speed to increase production to the planned level. We are making progress week by week in Eisenach."

The car manufacturer (Mercedes) has sent a team of its own purchasing, production and development experts to Bosch in Eisenach. Thomas Brandstetter, managing director of its own subsidiary Accumotive, will take over the management of the '48V Battery Taskforce' at the beginning of December.

Bosch and Mercedes have been working on a solution since the spring. So far without any real success. According to insiders, the situation has stabilised somewhat in recent days, but this is not yet a breakthrough. The efforts could not be greater: "More than 100 production specialists from various Bosch locations across Europe are also working on site". - explained a Bosch spokesperson.

Source: Handelsblatt

The problem has been there since spring ...

 

[Serpens]

new information :




Source: Handelsblatt

The problem has been there since spring ...

Thanks for posting this. As expected, nothing negative but rather a reinforcing message that they're trying to figure this out ASAP.

 

[dalab]

Margins of error don't generally include delaying product by an entire year.

Yes iit happens, depending on the difficulty, there was something wrong here on both sides, how come it doesn't happen to anyone else?

Bosch has been a tier one supplier for Mercedes for much longer than the time you've existed on this planet.

Chocolate for the news, do you know because you are Highlander?

I think this guy is deliberately acting like an idiot.

But no matter how much I try and try, I can't get close to you.

Thanks for posting this. As expected, nothing negative but rather a reinforcing message that they're trying to figure this out ASAP.

Delays of 1 year, 500M losses, but no, it's nothing negative.

I do feel the need to be rude because you approach threads in the same manner every time no matter the Mercedes-related subject and it is beyond annoying. You have decreased the quality of this forum.

Bing, bing, bing, with you another of the group who believes himself to be elevated above the rest, with enough "quality" to get rude when he wants, who will you be to establish that? It is decreased with the lack of ability to respond with arguments without calling names, look, I can also get rude

 

[Serpens]

Yes iit happens, depending on the difficulty, there was something wrong here on both sides, how come it doesn't happen to anyone else?

Are you suggesting that production delays have never occurred for other manufacturers due to supplier issues? I suggest you google this for educational purposes so you can realize this has happened many times before to various manufacturers even before the pandemic. Googling can help widen your narrow purview.

Delays to this particular extent are far more rare because everyone does everything in their power to avoid it, but again Mercedes is certainly not the only one to have something like this happen to them before.

Chocolate for the news, do you know because you are Highlander?

I have no idea what this means. I'm being nice here since English isn't your first language, but this is gibberish.

Delays of 1 year, 500M losses, but no, it's nothing negative.

Don't be silly. I said Bosch didn't say anything negative, taking care not to insinuate that this was Mercedes' fault. Obviously the result of this issue is massively negative. Try harder.

Bing, bing, bing, with you another of the group who believes himself to be elevated above the rest, with enough "quality" to get rude when he wants, who will you be to establish that? It is decreased with the lack of ability to respond with arguments without calling names, look, I can also get rude

I don't see myself elevated above the rest at all. However, I do see someone else that has failed to listen to any type of feedback and still posts garbage on a regular basis. Being nice to you or sometimes rude doesn't make a difference. You can call me all the names you want, it doesn't change my opinion of your behavior in these forums.

 

[Merc1]

Uh no, it isn't Mercedes fault for designing something complex. That is an absurd notion to make. Bosch agreed to make it and agreed on the production targets. It's Bosch's fault for failing to deliver. Are you seriously that dense?

Yes.

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[dalab]

Are you suggesting that production delays have never occurred for other manufacturers due to supplier issues? I suggest you google this for educational purposes so you can realize this has happened many times before to various manufacturers even before the pandemic. Googling can help widen your narrow purview.

Delays to this particular extent are far more rare because everyone does everything in their power to avoid it, but again Mercedes is certainly not the only one to have something like this happen to them before.



I have no idea what this means. I'm being nice here since English isn't your first language, but this is gibberish.



Don't be silly. I said Bosch didn't say anything negative, taking care not to insinuate that this was Mercedes' fault. Obviously the result of this issue is massively negative. Try harder.



I don't see myself elevated above the rest at all. However, I do see someone else that has failed to listen to any type of feedback and still posts garbage on a regular basis. Being nice to you or sometimes rude doesn't make a difference. You can call me all the names you want, it doesn't change my opinion of your behavior in these forums.

I have never called you by any name and don't think that you are the one to measure the quality of the posts, far from it.