7 Series (G70) [Official] New BMW 7-Series / i7 (G70/G71)

[Deleted member 57437]

Well, the 100,000+ salaries that BMW must pay each month must weigh on the decisions...

And precisely this is a bloated hydrocephalis that German legacy auto manufacturers will be required to address in order to maintain sustainable competitiveness. The Werksniederlassung (authorized factory dealership/shop network) model, for instance, must be comprehensively revamped. Online sales, "no sales" shops, lounges, places will inevitably become the standard in the future regarding the marketing and distribution of automobiles. Selected "agancy" models as well. Painful yet necessary measures to slash costs and free funds that will be of utmost necessity in order to renovate, perhaps totally replace, existing production facilities that were originally designed to manufacture ICE vehicles only.

 

[dalab]

By the way they were talking. The M70 sounds like it could eclipse both the G12 M760Li and a hypothetical M7. Interesting to see where this leaves Alpina?

Yes, especially now that Alpina is in-house, with unlimited funds.
Before, surely due to costs, the Alpina versions came out late...one at a time, the 8 series Alpina arrived two years later losing all novelty, I calculate that this time will drop drastically.

Also with it I insist that I think it attacks Maybach with new design details and not just "other wheels" with which btw this 7 will look outrageously good.

 

[SCOTT27]

It’s certainly a dilemma. Do they cancel the 4 and 8 and replace with the 6? Which has been the industry rumour. It’s true segments are diminishing and with the Electric generation 1or 2 products can be covered by a single concept.

I am meeting with some people tomorrow who are 7 customers but “drive” the 7er. Including one family generation which began with an E23 and stands with a 745e.
These people prefer the standard over the extended wheel base so it will be interesting if they carry on? Or realise that the new car is simply too big?

Their comments on the car have been very favourable especially with the overall appearance. But it’s the size that’s concerning.

 

[dalab]

Now that there is such a huge size gap between the 7er and the 5er, wouldn't that open up the possibility to again redefine the place of the 6er as an offer to all those customers, for whom the new 7er is simply too big and who are self-drivers ?

The 6 series or perhaps repositioned the 8.....?

 

[Bradman]

Now that there is such a huge size gap between the 7er and the 5er, wouldn't that open up the possibility to again redefine the place of the 6er as an offer to all those customers, for whom the new 7er is simply too big and who are self-drivers ?

Maybe new 8 Gran Coupe take this place? New 6 Series should be 2 door coupe which replace the 4 & 8 series (two door variants).

 

[Jacke]

By the way they were talking. The M70 sounds like it could eclipse both the G12 M760Li and a hypothetical M7. Interesting to see where this leaves Alpina?

That would be the i7 tho right with 650+ hp i read somewhere

 

[Rolf]

why not in an engineering aspect?
We cant tell that yet, but the car looks very solid build, a reporter said “on a very higher level then the previous 7er”.
If you mean in an aspect of inovations, then the W140 was more special, but also because it was 1991…nowadays its more difficult to invent something new, because almost everything is here and invented already.
The W140 had the first CAN network computer, nowadays every car has chips, computers, wireless connectivity.
The W140 had double glass, nowadays many cars can have them.
The W140 had softclose doors, nowadays even an 5er can have them.
The W140 had “peilstrebe” for easier parking, nowadays even a Golf has 360 camera and can park itself.
The W140 had carbon filter, now you can get an even better hepa filter.
The W140 had ASR, and then ESP, nowadays the cars can drive itself…

what i’m trying to say, as i said, its harder to invent something in 2022, then in 1991.

I can think of some items that could be of possible innovations for future cars:

Body and interior materials :

• There are still innovations that can be made in material science for building the cars exterior and interior components, such as nano materials, 3D printed components, use of natural materials and recycled materials.
• For example if the next 7-series can be produced using entire recycled F01, G11 or G70 components this will be a massive achievement for vehicle sustainability.
• Body panels can be a special type of recycled impact absorbing plastic instead of aluminum or pressed steel, this could also help save weight and reduce mining of metals and reduce production costs (less stamping presses for steel sheets)
• the cars endoskeleton structure could be produced from multiple materials with different strengths such as 3D printed GRP strips impregnated in extruded magnesium/aluminium steel roof frames and B-pillars adding rigidity and light weight and filled with foam.
• They can bring out plant material based fibers used in seats and carpets instead of using plastic produced fibers. Examples such as seaweed and mushrooms can be used to create fibers.
• Smart engineering for designing of components with defined shapes and thicknesses at different points to reduce weight and keep strength. This will help to also reduce unnecessary extra use of materials.
• Built in solar panels on boot, bonnet, roof and door panels, provide on move charging for car batteries and power for essential items.
• Smart body panels with built in LED lighting will provide warning signals for upcoming traffic if there is an accident etc or the vehicle is stopped at the side of the road.

Convenience and controls:

• Use of eye scanner or finger print touch for opening doors/boot with the phone in your pocket linked to the car.
• The future car will have voice activated and gesture control for moving seats, steering wheel, mirrors, opening and closing of doors, sunroof, blinds, windows, boot, bonnet. All switches and physical controls will be eliminated.
• Smart Windscreen with built in impregnated interactive display with Augmented Reality - Will make both the driver instrument display and infotainment screen redundant. All the information for vehicle such as speed, battery power levels, etc and HVAC/sound/infotainment for driver and passenger will be displayed on the entire windscreen, with the surroundings such as buildings, streets etc been projected and labeled if the navigation mode is selected. All functions will be controlled by voice and gesture control.
• Smart Seats that can mold and adjust to the body shape and size of different drivers - the seats will be able to change their shape of backrest and squab to suit the size of different drivers not just fore and aft (squab) or rake angle (backrest) but can adjust width and bolstering with inflatable cushions for harder support for sportier driving or softer for long distance comfort driving and can curve the backrest to provide more side support as well as the squab side panels can be raised separately to provide extra supports for the side of the legs. The seat, combined with headrest, steering wheel, seat belt height and mirrors can also automatically adjust for different heights.
• Camera projected side mirrors and rear view mirror projected on the windscreen. Will delete both exterior mirrors to improve aerodynamics and interior mirror can be removed,
• Sound cancelling speakers throughout the car for undesirable noises- For example the passenger can listen to certain music and the drivers speakers can cancel the sound on his side so that he is not disturbed by the music played on the passenger side. The speakers can product sound cancelling for any loud undesirable exterior noises
• Total fold flat passenger seat - Head rests retract inside the backrest and the backrest folds flat forwards to provide extra first class rear passenger leg space and also bed space for rear passenger to sleep. The rear seat squab and backrest can move forwards to join the fold flat passenger seat to provide sleeping space for rear passenger.
• Massaging footrests inside the rear footwells - Soft pillow footrests in the rear footwells will also have pulsating massage functions to massage rear passengers feet.
• Rear passenger infotainment screens that fold upwards at different angles from the center armrest, like the tray on the airplane, they can be retracted and folded away inside the armrest when not used,

Vehicle charging:

• Batteries can be interchanged - you can take your electric car to a service station and they will change your depleted battery for a full one. The depleted battery will be recharged by the service station and then you can interchange it again when the current one is depleted.
• Wireless charging - charging panels will be installed underneath the car and the driver will drive into a charging car park which has built in charging panels on the floor of the car park. They will charge your vehicle wirelessly and the vehicle wont have a charging port and doesn't have to use cables.

I have alot of other ideas but would take a whole day to write lol

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

why not in an engineering aspect?
We cant tell that yet, but the car looks very solid build, a reporter said “on a very higher level then the previous 7er”.
If you mean in an aspect of inovations, then the W140 was more special, but also because it was 1991…nowadays its more difficult to invent something new, because almost everything is here and invented already.
The W140 had the first CAN network computer, nowadays every car has chips, computers, wireless connectivity.
The W140 had double glass, nowadays many cars can have them.
The W140 had softclose doors, nowadays even an 5er can have them.
The W140 had “peilstrebe” for easier parking, nowadays even a Golf has 360 camera and can park itself.
The W140 had carbon filter, now you can get an even better hepa filter.
The W140 had ASR, and then ESP, nowadays the cars can drive itself…

what i’m trying to say, as i said, its harder to invent something in 2022, then in 1991.

It doesn't look like this 7 is bringing anything new to the table in terms of technology. A huge ass rear screen, door screens and crystal dash inserts seem about as innovative as it gets.

 

[dalab]

It doesn't look like this 7 is bringing anything new to the table in terms of technology. A huge ass rear screen, door screens and crystal dash inserts seem about as innovative as it gets.

Yes, it must be very easy to have created a system so that this screen is placed there and lowers, raises and adjusts at the same time that you have a complete glass roof on top that also closes and opens and darkens, all complying with safety regulations that surely prevent you from smashing your face against the screen in case of a crash, easy cake, that's why Mercedes, Lucid and the technology-packed Japanese and Korean manufacturers have theirs or not? or it is that they could not do something so simple.

Technology is also carrying all that better than its competition on the road, which, knowing the brand, will surely happen.
Talking about the rest is beside the point since I see that the way of express yourself so contemptuously is not very constructive to say the least.

This car will go straight to bite the neck of S Class sales.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Perhaps I've become inured a bit to the design or the fact that PR pics are photoshopped crap, but the 7er looks better IRL pics. That said, that front end could have been much better.

 

[Uygar]

Alpina B7

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Alpina B7

Legit or render?

 

[Uygar]

Legit or render?

It’s just a photoshop that I made lol.

 

[Merc1]

Now the Alpina might work. When will we see it?

M

 

[dalab]

Alpina B7

It looks sensational, what happens if you do the same thing to the profile picture, chrome the B pillar and all the trim, let's see how an Alpina/Maybach version of this would look

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Yes, it must be very easy to have created a system so that this screen is placed there and lowers, raises and adjusts at the same time that you have a complete glass roof on top that also closes and opens and darkens, all complying with safety regulations that surely prevent you from smashing your face against the screen in case of a crash, easy cake, that's why Mercedes, Lucid and the technology-packed Japanese and Korean manufacturers have theirs or not? or it is that they could not do something so simple.

Technology is also carrying all that better than its competition on the road, which, knowing the brand, will surely happen.
Talking about the rest is beside the point since I see that the way of express yourself so contemptuously is not very constructive to say the least.

This car will go straight to bite the neck of S Class sales.

A large rear entertainment screen is impressive, but It's not an advancement in automotive technology in the deeper sense. If BMW presented new UI solutions, new chassis and drivetrain solutions, new autonomous capabilities, that would be real advancement. The last 7 to do that comprehensively was the E65. I hope this 7 does bring some of these to the table and we are just not yet aware of them.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Some hidden features

Passenger Smart-Screen

iDrive interface and minimal controls and slot air vent which despite its size is still extremely powerful.

Can you focus the airflow to areas if you want, or is it just a high volume dispersion of air?

4 days in a Taycan, and I'm convinced electric air vents are a wank despite infinite showroom WOW factor.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I happened to stumble upon a camo-ed G70 today. It appeared the test driver was at a wedding of all things. It instantly had me think that this is something the modern-day Yakuza bossman would fancy.

First impression is that the car is massive/monolithic. Gives me the same impression I got when I first saw the E65 in 2001. Even with a M sport package it won’t look sporty. I wasn’t able to park the S next to it to compare the very noticeable size increase.

The front is definitely not as “tall” as it appears in the photos and videos. Not sure how long it’ll take to adjust to the split headlight. The sheet metal is very flat, tall in appearance - didn’t think I’d see that from BMW of all manufacturers.

The interior looked nice in the typical black/anthracite wood drive. The crystal trim was not optioned, so it looked more “ordinary” than the press shots. The outdoor lighting/car glass did not allow for a good interior shot.

The seats are very unique looking. Curious how it’s feels since I haven’t been big on the BMW comfort seats since the 2000’s.

Glad to see there are alternatives to Crystal!

 

[dalab]

Can you focus the airflow to areas if you want, or is it just a high volume dispersion of air?

These "knobs" or hidden manual commands perform the classic functions of directing/focus the airflow to areas, closing and opening the vents, etc.

This format of "invisible" vents is what you would see in a concept car because they would not be functional, before this when they reach production they would put the classic normal large ones ruining all that futuristic effect, but here they took the trouble to decipher it by taking the design and what was possible in production cars to the next level, that's also technology and of the good

 

[Special]

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