7 Series (G70) [Official] New BMW 7-Series / i7 (G70/G71)

[kiki voinea]

people will keep buying them anyway because at the end the brand name alone plays a big role in increasing the costs

Stop saying that ! You'll offend some dudes here that think that they cost more because they are soooo "innovative" .

Like naming every plastic "black piano"

 

[Merc1]

Try hard, if you read carefully, one day you will understand like everyone else

Which means you’ve got nothing but BS. They aren’t “close” and you’re the one defending and trying make a case out of it.

M

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Where is the comparison of 0-200 kmh times? Could this of the BMW be double that of the Plaid. Sure it is. Than how this could be said close?

 

[dalab]

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[Centurion]

I am curious to see whether flagship EVs will be as successful and celebrated as their ICE counter parts.

The M60 is might but for less than half the price, you can buy an i5 40i.

Interior design: Similar
Drive train smoothless: Same
Suspension: Similar
Power delivery: Same instant torque
Drivetrain noise: Same

Looking towards Tesla, the Model S is compelling and ticks all boxes. However sales figures are only a fraction of Model 3/Y. The reason is obvious, for signifigantly less the 3/Y offer the same package.

With ICE cars the difference between models was greater. A 520d/530i acceleration and power delivery woule be night and day different to a 760Li.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

I am curious to see whether flagship EVs will be as successful and celebrated as their ICE counter parts.

The M60 is might but for less than half the price, you can buy an i5 40i.

Interior design: Similar
Drive train smoothless: Same
Suspension: Similar
Power delivery: Same instant torque
Drivetrain noise: Same

Looking towards Tesla, the Model S is compelling and ticks all boxes. However sales figures are only a fraction of Model 3/Y. The reason is obvious, for signifigantly less the 3/Y offer the same package.

With ICE cars the difference between models was greater. A 520d/530i acceleration and power delivery woule be night and day different to a 760Li.

That's an interesting question.

I tend to think, they will not be. Their prices are ridiculously high (imo) for a rather simple engineering project. There's is nothing simpler and cheaper to produce than an electric engine, says a cliënt of mine, being a engineer by profession at Philips. Batteries are aging both economically and technically rather fast.
The only difference between a 5er and a 7er are size, choice of materials, ride comfort and sense of occasion. I'd pay extra for the ride comfort and better materials, but not twice or more the price.

And if I may add a personal thought, I would never, ever pay a large amount of money for a BEV flagship. To me they are not worth the money. So an i7 or let alone an i7 M70 would never enter my garage, at those prices. Maybe if they costed not more than € 80.000 I would give it a thought. The same goes for a future BEV S class by the way.

My answer is, no BEV flagship for me, I'd take the BEV middle range, like an i5 for instance. In a complete BEV environment, I'd be no flagship driver anymore.

 

[dalab]

Looking towards Tesla, the Model S is compelling and ticks all boxes. However sales figures are only a fraction of Model 3/Y. The reason is obvious, for signifigantly less the 3/Y offer the same package.

I think it's more because the S is more of a "sedoupe" sport sedan, more similar to an A7, Taycan, E-Tron than a typical sedan, which automatically makes it niche, it's more Halo than anything else IMO

 

[bmwblog]

Did some 0-60 mph runs and a bunch of other things with this i7 M70. It's still gonna be a low volume car, like the V12 M760i, but I guess there will be some buyers in some markets for it. Overall, the car does everything right. Doesn't really excel in any area compared to the i7 60, and doesn't disappoint either. It's a fast car, that's the bottom line.

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[AndreB]

Their prices are ridiculously high (imo) for a rather simple engineering project. There's is nothing simpler and cheaper to produce than an electric engine, says a cliënt of mine, being a engineer by profession at Philips. Batteries are aging both economically and technically rather fast.
The only difference between a 5er and a 7er are size, choice of materials, ride comfort and sense of occasion. I'd pay extra for the ride comfort and better materials, but not twice or more the price.

Recently I bought a used Taycan Turbo and its the best car I've ever driven, acceleration is so smooth and having flawless power with no drama, is just something else. Electric drive really ruined the 680hp Panamera which I though its amazing before.

For me the i7 M70 will be a great buy 2 years from now used for half the price, now it is overpriced like all top trims from OEMs and I don't understand why because adding more power in electric vehicles is very cheap compared to ICE engines.

Tesla 'knows' that and the fastest S Plaid which has 3 motors is only 15k more expensive than dual motor. However BMW, Mercedes and Porsche still think their customers are stupid and willing to pay 40-50k more for 1 sec faster acceleration.

 

[SCOTT27]

Recently I bought a used Taycan Turbo and its the best car I've ever driven, acceleration is so smooth and having flawless power with no drama, is just something else. Electric drive really ruined the 680hp Panamera which I though its amazing before.

For me the i7 M70 will be a great buy 2 years from now used for half the price, now it is overpriced like all top trims from OEMs and I don't understand why because adding more power in electric vehicles is very cheap compared to ICE engines.

Tesla 'knows' that and the fastest S Plaid which has 3 motors is only 15k more expensive than dual motor. However BMW, Mercedes and Porsche still think their customers are stupid and willing to pay 40-50k more for 1 sec faster acceleration.

If I had the need to be driven rather than drive myself. I would have a 7/i7 for that purpose.

 

[dalab]

Anecdotally, today they made the sale of the i7 official in my country
Only the M70 here, the funny thing is that it's worth it:
$249,990 (dollars)
And the Mercedes EQS amg 53 (only EQS) for sale here is worth:
$249,990 (dollars)

 

[AndreB]

Reasonably priced 7 Series is now a thing of the past.

 

[Centurion]

Recently I bought a used Taycan Turbo and its the best car I've ever driven, acceleration is so smooth and having flawless power with no drama, is just something else. Electric drive really ruined the 680hp Panamera which I though its amazing before.

For me the i7 M70 will be a great buy 2 years from now used for half the price, now it is overpriced like all top trims from OEMs and I don't understand why because adding more power in electric vehicles is very cheap compared to ICE engines.

Tesla 'knows' that and the fastest S Plaid which has 3 motors is only 15k more expensive than dual motor. However BMW, Mercedes and Porsche still think their customers are stupid and willing to pay 40-50k more for 1 sec faster acceleration.

In the EV era Rolls-Royce and economy car brands are the big winner.

The Spectre is expensive but electrification fits the brand like a glove bevquse or lower NHV. However the brand that's take that further and made the Spectre unimaginable quiet and serene to travel in. Although the i7 is sublime to drive bmw coupe have taken thing further with noise cancellation or a setting for lighter steering to enable you to sail through car with ease.

The biggest will be brands like Mercedes, bmw and audi. Spec sheet superiority has been neutralised by electrification. Real world benefits of larger engines such as smoother power delivery, visceral exhaust noise, high redline and effortless creep in city traffic and overtaking performance on motorways, are past advantages that are not applicable to EVs. Therefore, flagship EVs will need new intangibles to justify their price. Diminishing returns are painful for EVs. The jump in price from Model S Plaid to Lucid Air Sapphire to Rimac Nevera is unjustified. With ICEs you at least benefitted from bigger and more powerful enfines even at low speeds. This is not true for EVs.

Where flagship EVs can compete is in design but kia, Volvo and huyndai are catching up!

 

[Matski]

Reasonably priced 7 Series is now a thing of the past.

I've said all along that cutting the smaller engined, standard wheelbase models would end up seeing sales numbers fall one way or the other. It's only one market, but looking at nearly 20 years of registration data here in the UK, long wheelbase versions account for only 26% of 7 series on the road, and although the data is likely skewed a little more towards the newer cars, the most common engines are typically the entry models, which for us has been the 30d, which account for nearly half the 7-ers on the road here.

Cheapest 7-er in 2019 was about £70,000 as list, now it's £100,000 and currently that's a BEV, which will doubtless be a turn off for a number of buyers, and an 8GC or X7 can be had with a petrol engine for £20,000 less.

 

[kiki voinea]

Reasonably priced 7 Series is now a thing of the past.

Maybe it will get good deals in the future.

And for sure , the price drop for reasonable pre-owned models should be even more compelling

 

[WBarnes]

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[dalab]

Tremendous, enormous production of the short

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[Centurion]

Cheapest 7-er in 2019 was about £70,000 as list, now it's £100,000 and currently that's a BEV, which will doubtless be a turn off for a number of buyers, and an 8GC or X7 can be had with a petrol engine for £20,000 less.

Prices will fall. When products in a market become homogenous you always get the following:
-Price wars
-Player consolidation

Both which benefits the consumer.

Overall BMW is well positioned the next 3-5 years. They have a spectrum of models with ice, hybrid and ice options to cover different needs.

 

[AndreB]

And for sure , the price drop for reasonable pre-owned models should be even more compelling

No doubt, in two years the i7 might depreciate more than 50% because its overpriced and is outdated tech on release, battery and motors based on i4 which is 400v architecture.

 

[Mars1965]

No doubt, in two years the i7 might depreciate more than 50% because its overpriced and is outdated tech on release, battery and motors based on i4 which is 400v architecture.

Overrated 800V