7 Series (G70) [Official] New BMW 7-Series / i7 (G70/G71)

[dalab]

Do you really think, that any serious potential buyer is interested in those 0 - 60 mp/h figures? No one is, except perhaps some kids and a few show offs

Not in general and even less so with such small differences in that "speed of light" spectrum.
But since many look at the Tesla for that reason, it is remarkable and I was surprised that a 2,700kg i7 is faster than an M3 in that aspect

 

[Merc1]

Only in BMW la la land is 3.3 vs 2.4 a small difference. Must be great not having to live on reality.

M

 

[dalab]

Try doing something called "interpreting what you read", it's very clear in the post

 

[Merc1]

3.3 to 2.4 is a perceptible difference to anyone that doesn’t have a roundel stamped on their forehead. You can’t spin that with some bullshit comment about interpretation. The BMW is SMOKED by the Tesla on that metric. Period.

M

 

[azeez samara]

3.3 to 2.4 is a perceptible difference to anyone that doesn’t have a roundel stamped on their forehead. You can’t spin that with some bullshit comment about interpretation. The BMW is SMOKED by the Tesla on that metric. Period.

M

But take into account that the i7 M70 is a heavy luxury car with 600+ HP in compare to the lighter tesla with 1000+ HP so the difference in the acceleration does make sense.
#BTW tesla design is very poring inside and out and their built quality is bad so I think that it shouldn't be compared with the germans

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The metric being discussed isn't quality though, its the 0-60 times.

And the difference between 3.3 and 3.16 is perceptible, forget about the difference between 3.3 and 2.4.

 

[klier]

And the difference between 3.3 and 3.16 is perceptible, forget about the difference between 3.3 and 2.4.

Absolutely NO WAY that is perceptible. LMAO only a Spiderman can possibly notice that.
And between 3.3 and 2.4 0-100 would only be like "yeah, that possibly seems a bit quicker even".

Not trying to downplay any other brand with this BTW, Tesla and Lucid clearly have the sprint times on lock down for now.

Do you really think, that any serious potential buyer is interested in those 0 - 60 mp/h figures?

This has always been the case? Some want the most powerful just for the sake of it. Why else would they release an M70 when there already is an M60?

 

[dalab]

3.3 to 2.4 is a perceptible difference to anyone that doesn’t have a roundel stamped on their forehead. You can’t spin that with some bullshit comment about interpretation. The BMW is SMOKED by the Tesla on that metric. Period.

M

Interpretation: It is much more noticeable in more direct competitors, which the Tesla of the EQS/i7 is not so much, nor is the Taycan (closer to the Tesla than to the other two in conception)

On the one hand it is 600kg more and 400 hp less vs the Plaid and for the i7 buyer (again, at this super speed level) who is looking for more luxury, it is more than enough and will not "perceive" an advantage in a 0, 9s difference against the fastest accelerating car in the world.

In short, it is a great achievement for the i7/EQS to have come so close
I don't know if it was understood better that way and if not, handle it.

 

[Matski]

Do you really think, that any serious potential buyer is interested in those 0 - 60 mp/h figures? No one is, except perhaps some kids and a few show offs

@kiki voinea, who is a legit S-Class customer (and therefore buying in this market segment) has openly stated that the sensation of the acceleration is a majorly enjoyable selling point of his EV purchases. You may or may not agree, but it's a legit factor for some buyers.

And the difference between 3.3 and 3.16 is perceptible, forget about the difference between 3.3 and 2.4.

Perceptible and appreciable are maybe two different things. Most people can perceive when a lift/elevator starts moving, but their perception of the absolute acceleration or simple velocity of the lift is likely pathetic.

 

[dalab]

Someone who is evaluating an i7, EQS or S-Class, would change for a plaid for .7s / .9s of greater acceleration 0 - 60,......I don't think so

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[AbsoluteUnit]

Someone who is evaluating an i7, EQS or S-Class, would change for a plaid for .7s / .9s of greater acceleration 0 - 60,......I don't think so

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No they wouldn't.

They aren't in the same market segment. the Plaid is more competition against the Lucid Air Sapphire, future iM5 and EQE63 or whatever.

However the person who made the comparison between 0-60 times was you.

If you want a lightning fast Electric Sedan, the Plaid and Sapphire are just faster than the BMW or Merc.

 

[Merc1]

But take into account that the i7 M70 is a heavy luxury car with 600+ HP in compare to the lighter tesla with 1000+ HP so the difference in the acceleration does make sense.
#BTW tesla design is very poring inside and out and their built quality is bad so I think that it shouldn't be compared with the germans

You act like the BMW being a pig is Tesla’s fault. The difference in acceleration between the two cars is huge. Period. Why would he even try to compare them only to have to apply some ridiculous spin to it? It’s silly.

M

 

[dalab]

However the person who made the comparison between 0-60 times was you.

It was actually Matt Watson in the video more the background that you just specified, I was surprised that they are so "close" in time, which is commendable considering its luxurious motive law and that the M5C is 3.2 and the M3 CS is around there too

 

[Merc1]

Interpretation: It is much more noticeable in more direct competitors, which the Tesla of the EQS/i7 is not so much, nor is the Taycan (closer to the Tesla than to the other two in conception)

On the one hand it is 600kg more and 400 hp less vs the Plaid and for the i7 buyer (again, at this super speed level) who is looking for more luxury, it is more than enough and will not "perceive" an advantage in a 0, 9s difference against the fastest accelerating car in the world.

In short, it is a great achievement for the i7/EQS to have come so close
I don't know if it was understood better that way and if not, handle it.

I mean it’s whatever you need to tell yourself. I haven’t read so much BS on this forum in years. Their acceleration numbers are not comparable. Why even try to compare them when the cars have different missions and purposes? It’s just stupid man. Now you wanna put Mercedes in it to spread the ridiculousness around. BMW gets smoked in acceleration. Period. No amount of slush can change this.

Talk about other aspects of the BMW over the Tesla. Acceleration is not one of them.

M

 

[dalab]

I mean it’s whatever you need to tell yourself. I haven’t read so much BS on this forum in years. Their acceleration numbers are not comparable. Why even try to compare them when the cars have different missions and purposes? It’s just stupid man. Now you wanna put Mercedes in it to spread the ridiculousness around. BMW gets smoked in acceleration. Period. No amount of slush can change this.

M

I didn't make the comparison, the comparison was made by Matt Watson in the carwow video testing the i7 M70 so talk to him because you know more surely

 

[azeez samara]

I was trying to justify the big difference in the acceleration and I mean just imagine if bmw or merc or audi put a 1000+ HP into a light weight car I am sure that the acceleration would be in bar if not better than tesla numbers.

 

[Merc1]

I didn't make the comparison, the comparison was made by Matt Watson in the carwow video testing the i7 M70 so talk to him because you know more surely

No addressed you because you are the cheerleader. Matt Watson isn’t on the forum. Try again.

M

 

[dalab]

No address you be you are the cheerleader. Matt Watson isn’t on the forum. Try again.

M

Try hard, if you read carefully, one day you will understand like everyone else

 

[kiki voinea]

I was trying to justify the big difference in the acceleration and I mean just imagine if bmw or merc or audi put a 1000+ HP into a light weight car I am sure that the acceleration would be in bar if not better than tesla numbers.

If Tesla would have put an luxury interior , it would have been better than blabla

If this , if that....

I am waiting to get my hands on a test drive with an i7 M70. This would be the only version that would replace my "crappish" Tesla. Why? Because acceleration is important , FOR ME.
And that is a highly subjective point. What works for me , does not have to work for you.

But to answer to your "if" , it would cost 250-300k. M70 is already 200k .

And no mentally healthy person would pay 300k for the king of depreciation, the 7....

Is 7 a better car than Tesla? Of course it is. But is twice the price....So you have to put that in balance

 

[azeez samara]

If Tesla would have put an luxury interior , it would have been better than blabla

If this , if that....

I am waiting to get my hands on a test drive with an i7 M70. This would be the only version that would replace my "crappish" Tesla. Why? Because acceleration is important , FOR ME.
And that is a highly subjective point. What works for me , does not have to work for you.

But to answer to your "if" , it would cost 250-300k. M70 is already 200k .

And no mentally healthy person would pay 300k for the king of depreciation, the 7....

Is 7 a better car than Tesla? Of course it is. But is twice the price....So you have to put that in balance

I got your point .
if tesla cost was as high as a bmw no one will buy them so bmw of course will cost a lot much than tesla and people will keep buying them anyway because at the end the brand name alone plays a big role in increasing the costs as in apple products and you should make some compromises at the end.