7 Series (G70) [Official] New BMW 7-Series / i7 (G70/G71)

[dalab]

The BEV market is the equivalent of 1980’s Teenage Brat Pack Vampire movie “The Lost Boys”. Starring many “hot yung things” at that time. But where are they now? Older and put out to pasture. BEV’s are the same. When EQS is just a cloud, no one will be talking about the first generation. Same goes for everybody else.

They won't talk about it because nobody wants to remember it, but they will and they will tremble.

 

[dalab]

I'm most interested to know how BMW's EV strategy is just so out of step with MB and Audi? I'm not saying it's worse or wrong, I'm just trying to understand how the strategic implementation has been so different. Did they lack the budget or technical capability to deliver an EV only platform or do they honestly believe the hybrid approach is the better solution, since the EV uptake in some markets could be well behind what the industry is anticipating. Australia definitely couldn't accommodate an EV only automotive landscape let along the likes of many countries in Asia, South America and Africa.

The answer to your question? Unpredictable ups and downs that give the right to the strategy they established, perhaps we have not experienced it until now, perhaps tomorrow it will change again, and in a year again, but that way you are immune and like all strategies and more in this area is long term

Volkswagen scales back EV production 27/6/2023 (Today)

Works council head cites “strong customer reluctance” as shifts shortened and holiday period extended
Among the models affected are the ID 4 SUV and early production of the ID 7 saloon.

Wulff indicates demand for electric vehicles is up to 30% below originally planned production figures.
"The registration numbers of electric vehicles continue to be high, but what concerns us is the current dip in demand, not only at Volkswagen but across all manufacturers," said Lies.

Volkswagen scales back EV production | Autocar

Works council head cites “strong customer reluctance” as shifts shortened and holiday period extended

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The answer to your question? Unpredictable ups and downs that give the right to the strategy they established, perhaps we have not experienced it until now, perhaps tomorrow it will change again, and in a year again, but that way you are immune and like all strategies and more in this area is long term

Volkswagen scales back EV production 27/6/2023 (Today)

Works council head cites “strong customer reluctance” as shifts shortened and holiday period extended
Among the models affected are the ID 4 SUV and early production of the ID 7 saloon.

Wulff indicates demand for electric vehicles is up to 30% below originally planned production figures.
"The registration numbers of electric vehicles continue to be high, but what concerns us is the current dip in demand, not only at Volkswagen but across all manufacturers," said Lies.

Volkswagen scales back EV production | Autocar

Works council head cites “strong customer reluctance” as shifts shortened and holiday period extended

www.autocar.co.uk

It's due to competition, not because of diminishing demand. Excuses. With all these German shitty EVs, what else could happen (Taycan excluded).

 

[dalab]

It's due to competition, not because of diminishing demand. Excuses. With all these German shitty EVs, what else could happen (Taycan excluded).crystal clear

Crystal clear

BMW strategy pays off

"The difficulty in planning sales of electric cars was one of the main reasons why BMW decided to use a common architecture with combustion engines and plug-in hybrids for the current generation of electric cars.
The lack of a separate platform for each drive, which can of course be fully optimized to the requirements of the respective concept, has repeatedly brought criticism to BMW. At Volkswagen, however, it is now becoming clear how great the risks of the alternative approach, each with its own platforms, are: Because the demand for certain electric cars has not developed as hoped, the Wolfsburg-based company can no longer fully utilize its Emden plant.

Because electrical sales are almost 30 percent lower than planned, one shift has already been completely canceled and the duration of the company holidays extended. In addition, the number of temporary workers will be reduced, which analysts take as a clear sign that Volkswagen does not expect the plant to be fully utilized for a long time. Only at the end of the year, when production of the new VW ID.7 will begin, will the chances for the Emden plant be better again. Until then, however, there are enormous costs, because unused production capacities are one of the most expensive things that can happen to a car manufacturer. "

The reverse case would be just as annoying: if the demand for a certain drive concept were significantly greater than expected, the market could not be optimally served either. With the BMW strategy, such problems are at least less likely because the flexible architectures make it easy to react to fluctuations in demand for individual drives: models such as iX1 and X1, iX3 and X3, i4 and 4 Series Gran Coupé, i5 and 5 Series or even i7 and 7s all come off the same assembly line and can be produced in the quantities actually required. The only exception in the current portfolio is the BMW iX, which uses a comparatively independent architecture.

"Although the BMW strategy inevitably means that certain compromises have to be made in the design for the integration of different drive concepts, the current electric cars from BMW also do extremely well in comparative tests with competitors on purely electric architectures. This becomes clear, among other things, in various comparisons between the BMW i7 and Mercedes EQS, but something similar can also be observed in other segments."

VW drosselt Elektro-Produktion, BMW-Strategie zahlt sich aus

Die schwierige Planbarkeit des Absatzes von Elektroautos war einer der wesentlichen Gründe für die Entscheidung von BMW, bei der aktuellen Generation von

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[CrunchSlaughtered]

Crystal clear

BMW strategy pays off

"The difficulty in planning sales of electric cars was one of the main reasons why BMW decided to use a common architecture with combustion engines and plug-in hybrids for the current generation of electric cars.
The lack of a separate platform for each drive, which can of course be fully optimized to the requirements of the respective concept, has repeatedly brought criticism to BMW. At Volkswagen, however, it is now becoming clear how great the risks of the alternative approach, each with its own platforms, are: Because the demand for certain electric cars has not developed as hoped, the Wolfsburg-based company can no longer fully utilize its Emden plant.

Because electrical sales are almost 30 percent lower than planned, one shift has already been completely canceled and the duration of the company holidays extended. In addition, the number of temporary workers will be reduced, which analysts take as a clear sign that Volkswagen does not expect the plant to be fully utilized for a long time. Only at the end of the year, when production of the new VW ID.7 will begin, will the chances for the Emden plant be better again. Until then, however, there are enormous costs, because unused production capacities are one of the most expensive things that can happen to a car manufacturer. "

The reverse case would be just as annoying: if the demand for a certain drive concept were significantly greater than expected, the market could not be optimally served either. With the BMW strategy, such problems are at least less likely because the flexible architectures make it easy to react to fluctuations in demand for individual drives: models such as iX1 and X1, iX3 and X3, i4 and 4 Series Gran Coupé, i5 and 5 Series or even i7 and 7s all come off the same assembly line and can be produced in the quantities actually required. The only exception in the current portfolio is the BMW iX, which uses a comparatively independent architecture.

"Although the BMW strategy inevitably means that certain compromises have to be made in the design for the integration of different drive concepts, the current electric cars from BMW also do extremely well in comparative tests with competitors on purely electric architectures. This becomes clear, among other things, in various comparisons between the BMW i7 and Mercedes EQS, but something similar can also be observed in other segments."

VW drosselt Elektro-Produktion, BMW-Strategie zahlt sich aus

Die schwierige Planbarkeit des Absatzes von Elektroautos war einer der wesentlichen Gründe für die Entscheidung von BMW, bei der aktuellen Generation von

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As I wrote: all German manufacturers make non-competitive EVs.

 

[dalab]

As I wrote: all German manufacturers make non-competitive EVs.

At least at BMW they are clear about it and acted accordingly

 

[AndreB]

As I wrote: all German manufacturers make non-competitive EVs.

The demand for Porsche Taycan is still very high with waiting times of 7-8 months. A neighbor bought EQS580 after owning a Model S for 2 years and he's very impressed and happy with the car.

So I won't say all German EV's are non-competitive, the cheap ones are pretty bad like ID3, EQA/B, etc

 

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[SCOTT27]

The i7 M70 is now on show at the Welt.

 

[dalab]

Just watched yet another video, EVO India, and "it's an amazing car" is the worst thing they say about it, genuinely raving about it and general in all the videos.

 

[klugscheisser87]

The i7 M70 is now on show at the Welt.

It’s the premium Skoda Superb like bargain for getting english opulence alternative in the luxury segement.

Personally I hate the 2tone, but cannot deny it has an outstanding presence.

 

[Centurion]

It’s the premium Skoda Superb like bargain for getting english opulence alternative in the luxury segement.

Good analogy but luxury is 200% extra effort for 10% improvement that can make a big difference to the occupants feeling looked after. I have driven a Skoda Superb. It’s…….superb and handles well but the suspension clonks when you hit potholes. The heated seats don’t get as toasty or heat up as fast as I’m used to in bimmers.

In my W211 E-Class for example, I have noticed that the internal air fans are quieter and more powerful than my M140 - despite the latter being more than 10 years older. Small touches like that will likely be noticed if you jump between an i7 and Spectre.

However, I have to commend the i7 for how dead silent the powered boot lid is. You can’t hear the motors at all!

 

[klugscheisser87]

Good analogy but luxury is 200% extra effort for 10% improvement that can make a big difference to the occupants feeling looked after. I have driven a Skoda Superb. It’s…….superb and handles well but the suspension clonks when you hit potholes. The heated seats don’t get as toasty or heat up as fast as I’m used to in bimmers.

In my W211 E-Class for example, I have noticed that the internal air fans are quieter and more powerful than my M140 - despite the latter being more than 10 years older. Small touches like that will likely be noticed if you jump between an i7 and Spectre.

However, I have to commend the i7 for how dead silent the powered boot lid is. You can’t hear the motors at all!

Of course, totally agree.
The 7er fails totally in its interior for example. The dash that acrylic mess and all techno gimmicks just doesn’t match a luxury segment.

But it has its good sides too, the finish is fine and the wool seats are giving it a personality. I would never choose a leather and the wool finish feels way more modern and more luxurious.

It’s maybe not a Maybach S-Class, but who needs that. I think as a Superb in lower segment, the 7er fills the gap between premium and luxury in one higher level with some obvious compromises, that’s why my comparsion.

 

[dalab]

Yes, against the Maybach, the 32" retractable screen tips the scales towards the G70, it is what is called checkmate

 

[AndreB]

Yes, against the Maybach, the 32" retractable screen tips the scales towards the G70, it is what is called checkmate

Since when rich Maybach owners watch TV?

 

[klugscheisser87]

Yes, against the Maybach, the 32" retractable screen tips the scales towards the G70, it is what is called checkmate

That’s just a stupid and unpractical gimmick which doesn’t make the 7er any more premium.

It would be the same of importance if mounted in an KIA EV9.

 

[Matski]

That’s just a stupid and unpractical gimmick which doesn’t make the 7er any more premium.

Oh, be sure I'm keeping this for future reference!

 

[dalab]

That’s just a stupid and unpractical gimmick which doesn’t make the 7er any more premium.

It would be the same of importance if mounted in an KIA EV9.

The lack of objectivity is read in the text

 

[Merc1]

That’s just a stupid and unpractical gimmick which doesn’t make the 7er any more premium.

It would be the same of importance if mounted in an KIA EV9.

Right the ultimate driving machine is now the ultimate lounge.

M

 

[dalab]

Right the ultimate driving machine is now the ultimate lounge.

M

NO, it is one of the cars that has been praised the most in recent times by each and every one of those who tested it for what it is as a car, so write what you can think of to downgrade it does not make it true, facts, no stories, remember

*And yes, as awesome as it is as a car, it's also the ultimate lounge