Official: Mercedes-Benz Shooting Break Concept

[fortuner]

Influences of BMW's F01 & F10 in the interior, especially the top half of the dash IMO.

Hey mate I personnely feel its influenced by the current CLS i dont have the skills but if somebidy can post the two dash pics meaning this one and the previous you will se wht i mean...

 

[Shining Star]

 

[SKY]

Why an engine wich is three years newer than the equivalent engine form BMW has the very same hp (306) and lest torque (370 vs 400)?. Same for the 4.6 V8, more hp but less torque than the BMW 4.4 V8.

I love how the car looks, but engines are big let down, as they are here to stay a lot of years and are not capable even to surpass the current BMW line up.

Very vey disappointed.

 

[LaArtist]

Damn it looks even better on film..
Lets see if we can find more

 

[Pagani]

Two impulsive thoughts occurred to me regarding this car, when I saw the pictures. First, fears regarding the interior, fueled by some spy pics back a while, were completely unfounded, as this interior is gorgeous. Second, again with the interior, excluding door trim, it reminds me more of a BMW than a Mercedes (someone made this point, and it 'infected' my thoughts). Put a BMW roundel on that steering wheel and you will have a lot of people not questioning it.

 

[cawimmer430]

Why an engine wich is three years newer than the equivalent engine form BMW has the very same hp (306) and lest torque (370 vs 400)?. Same for the 4.6 V8, more hp but less torque than the BMW 4.4 V8.

I love how the car looks, but engines are big let down, as they are here to stay a lot of years and are not capable even to surpass the current BMW line up.

You make it sound as if MB engineers are incompetent.

Engines aren't just made and given a horsepower rating out of the blue. Before work on an engine begins there is a list of things that the engineers try to achieve with the new motors. The engine is optimized for the criteria on the list. We know that this engine is powerful (306-horsepower are excessive), we know it will be smoother than the current 3.5 V6 and we expect it to be more fuel efficient and thus less toxic on the environment. These are things that matter in todays world, not sheer horsepower or the amount of horsepower you have under the hood.

Even with 272-hp, the current E350 is what? 1/1.5 seconds slower to 100 km/h than some of its more powerful competitors. I don't see why people get worked up over this. The only place where such a time difference matters is at the drag strip or a race track. Please name me one person who takes an E350 unto a race track or drag strip.

Exactly.


306-horsepower are fine. No doubt MB may bring along a more powerful version of this motor later, but 306-horses are excessive, overpowered and completely more than adequate for any normal driving enthusiast.

Besides, I doubt BMW or the competition is going to push for higher horsepower ratings in their V6 engines given the worsening situation for bigger engines.

 

[LaArtist]

 

[coolraoul]

Why an engine wich is three years newer than the equivalent engine form BMW has the very same hp (306) and lest torque (370 vs 400)?. Same for the 4.6 V8, more hp but less torque than the BMW 4.4 V8.

I love how the car looks, but engines are big let down, as they are here to stay a lot of years and are not capable even to surpass the current BMW line up.

Very vey disappointed.

Well if the economy figure is good, power delivery smooth and effortless, and refinement impressive, I'll gladly accept the slightly inferior strength figures; like 300hp and 370Nm are weak...

I'm starting to appreciate this car a lot, only that hood shutline is misplaced. The car looks gorgeous.

 

[Giannis]

The car looks fantastically impressive! I have no more to say. I am impressed. I want it exactly like it is, minus the hood shutline

 

[Wunderkind]

You make it sound as if MB engineers are incompetent.

Engines aren't just made and given a horsepower rating out of the blue. Before work on an engine begins there is a list of things that the engineers try to achieve with the new motors. The engine is optimized for the criteria on the list. We know that this engine is powerful (306-horsepower are excessive), we know it will be smoother than the current 3.5 V6 and we expect it to be more fuel efficient and thus less toxic on the environment. These are things that matter in todays world, not sheer horsepower or the amount of horsepower you have under the hood.

Even with 272-hp, the current E350 is what? 1/1.5 seconds slower to 100 km/h than some of its more powerful competitors. I don't see why people get worked up over this. The only place where such a time difference matters is at the drag strip or a race track. Please name me one person who takes an E350 unto a race track or drag strip.

Exactly.


306-horsepower are fine. No doubt MB may bring along a more powerful version of this motor later, but 306-horses are excessive, overpowered and completely more than adequate for any normal driving enthusiast.

Besides, I doubt BMW or the competition is going to push for higher horsepower ratings in their V6 engines given the worsening situation for bigger engines.

It's about keeping parity with BMW and giving the customers the best. Don't forget this new powerplant is going to live for 4-5 years before being refreshed (if at all). By that time, BMW and Audi would have probably moved a step or two forward and leaves Mercedes trailing further behind.

I also don't understand what the Mercedes powertrains engineers do. Who the fxxk does the benchmarking? Why couldn't they at least match BMW and Audi?? I don't care about the demerger with Chrysler had slowed progress on engine and drivetrain developments. They should have a look around what is being offered by Audi or BMW in similar models? The point is, why pay more for a Mercedes when a similar BMW or even an Audi is better equipped and made. Once again, Mercedes seemed like a deer in the headlight. Blinded, stunned, and unable to respond.

I understand Mercedes Benz engineers still possess an arrogance about their capabilities. But forgive me for saying this, BMW and Audi are just as good, if not better. Nowadays, I struggle to find any particular area where Mercedes has a clear superiority to its peers.

 

[Tarek]

I really love the new A/C vents.

 

[Wolfgang]

The engine: enhanced performance, enhanced efficiency

The Shooting Break concept car is driven by the forerunner to the forthcoming new V-engine generation from Mercedes-Benz. The special features of the spray-guided direct injection engine include the latest generation of piezo-electric injection valves which enable multiple injections. Better lean operation is possible thanks to load monitoring of the pressure information. Even the operation of the ancillary components has been made efficient and there is also a start/stop function. The V6 with a 60° cylinder angle and displacement of 3.5 litres produces 225 kW (306 hp) with a maximum torque of 370 Nm.

Thats from the official press release..and i dont think it has blowers

Correct, jesmb just confirmed: no blowers.

Also, the sentence "Better lean operation is possible thanks to load monitoring of the pressure information"
might indicate in-cylinder pressure sensors, possibly integrated with the spark plugs.

 

[Merc1]

This is the reason why we don't have such an engine here in the U.S. Our crappy gasoline would likely ruin such a finely tuned engine. Looks like we'll be waiting until the 2012 model year for the V8. The V8 I'm not sure about???

That said I'd love to have the new C-Class Coupe, say a C350 Sport with the new 3.5L V6.


M

 

[Merc1]

It's about keeping parity with BMW and giving the customers the best. Don't forget this new powerplant is going to live for 4-5 years before being refreshed (if at all). By that time, BMW and Audi would have probably moved a step or two forward and leaves Mercedes trailing further behind.

I also don't understand what the Mercedes powertrains engineers do. Who the fxxk does the benchmarking? Why couldn't they at least match BMW and Audi?? I don't care about the demerger with Chrysler had slowed progress on engine and drivetrain developments. They should have a look around what is being offered by Audi or BMW in similar models? The point is, why pay more for a Mercedes when a similar BMW or even an Audi is better equipped and made. Once again, Mercedes seemed like a deer in the headlight. Blinded, stunned, and unable to respond.

I understand Mercedes Benz engineers still possess an arrogance about their capabilities. But forgive me for saying this, BMW and Audi are just as good, if not better. Nowadays, I struggle to find any particular area where Mercedes has a clear superiority to its peers.

All valid points, as painful as it may be. I think the one clear area they still lead in is safety. They're seemingly pulling ahead of BMW, and have passed Audi in quality, reliability. Mercedes had to take a break from the tech race for their own good. Reliability was going down the tubes.

I do think the Chrysler debacle put them years behind with engine updates. That said I'm still excited to see what they have planned. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised over the next 6-12 months.


M

 

[cawimmer430]

It's about keeping parity with BMW and giving the customers the best. Don't forget this new powerplant is going to live for 4-5 years before being refreshed (if at all). By that time, BMW and Audi would have probably moved a step or two forward and leaves Mercedes trailing further behind.

And if that's the case I can easily see MB modifying some engine management software on this engine to boost power. Besides, it seems that MB is withdrawing from the horsepower wars.

I also don't understand what the Mercedes powertrains engineers do. Who the fxxk does the benchmarking? Why couldn't they at least match BMW and Audi?? I don't care about the demerger with Chrysler had slowed progress on engine and drivetrain developments. They should have a look around what is being offered by Audi or BMW in similar models? The point is, why pay more for a Mercedes when a similar BMW or even an Audi is better equipped and made. Once again, Mercedes seemed like a deer in the headlight. Blinded, stunned, and unable to respond.

Once again, there are other factors besides the horsepower output which really matter. The article claims refinement and fuel economy were the main priorities when this engine was in development.

And what if this new engine, despite a measly completely underpowered 306-horsepower, manages to propel whatever it will power to 100 km/h in the same time or faster as some current and future competitors? Right now we don't know anything about the power delivery etc. of this motor.

 

[braaf]

Stunning. The dash board has a hint of BMW, but that's not a bad thing.

 

[MBFanToDeath]

 

[fortuner]

This car is a beauty and in that video it is fantastic i would like to see i video off the interior really this car is fantastic MB i am proud of this car hey those interior spy shots in the CLS thread had me worried that this is going to be a copy and paste but lucky MB stunned me today well done..Ans sorry guys i dont see ant BMW influence at all..

 

[BlaZain]

Absolutely stunning concept, the exterior is pretty much Hucks interpretation in hatch form. The side profile of the SBC does make my mind wonder to the Panamera. The front is perfect, as I always found the current CLS front to be its weakest design element.

I was a little apprehensive as to the rear wheel arch and side crease lines, but was soon put at ease watching the video.

The interior although typical of concept vehicles seems to have Mercedesfied the F01 and F10 look, especially the front dash/facia. Having said that its the best looking interior on any Mercedes today.

Engine spec - I guess MB decided a 3.5 NA engine was preferable to a blown 3.0 with similar output and in reality anything in excess of 300bhp is more than sufficient for the practical daily driving needs of a car enthusiast let alone the average driver. So this engine choice is perfect and I am sure when the AMG appears it will cater to those who have the ability to push a 500BHP car to its limits and to those who have wallets greater their actual driving ability.

Great job Mercedes - this has really wet my appetite ahead of an actual CLS launch, which to me is surprising as I was never very fond of the incumbent CLS.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

If this engine doesn't have a turbo, doesn't anyone else think it's pretty obvious a turbo WILL be added at some stage?