E-Class (W213/C238/A238) [Official] Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213

[Kowalski]

That would be @Mr.Mercedes checking car quality in showrooms

I still remember his thread comparing the W204 C-class interior to the A4 interior.

 

[Eng.ahad]

My problem is the difference in speakers quality manufactured by Burmester vs. Bose, what I have concluded after seeing so many speakers brands is that Bose have the best quality among them all, they last forever !!

As for the quality, as I said before with my specs the car feels very premium, my concern again is how robust are these high quality materials built together, I recently heard the first annoying rattling sound from the top dash board, it is coming from the speaker covers on top of the 2 screens, however I found that there is a recall for that specific issue and MB has the solution, I just need to take it to my dealer.

That's a little annoying considering its a Mercedes and it should have been fixed or found during the cars 2 years tests !!

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

That would be @Mr.Mercedes checking car quality in showrooms

I pretty much do that.

On a serious note, there has certainly been a decline in build quality over at Mercedes Benz. Finish is fine, in fact it's very good, but when you start poking and prodding you notice the solidity of the previous generation of cars is missing. My mum's car now has 27,000 KM's and doesn't rattle or squeak, touch wood, but the perception of rock solid build that her W204 had is missing. The veneers feel thin and the module with the NAV and RADIO buttons has awful feeling buttons with no dampening and in fact the entire wood surround creaks horribly when you press any of these buttons. It grates me to such an extent I avoid using these button. If you prod the wood veneer covering the centre console it feels brittle and makes a sound to match. Place some light pressure on the dash mounted circular air vents and they too will let out a creak. There is a shiny element of black trim that borders the entire centre console and carries on down towards the transmission tunnel to enhance the 'floating' effect of the console and there is actually about 3-4mm of play in that trim that I have noticed on numerous dealership cars as well.

Thank god non of this is evident on Dad's S-class and my only gripe there is the hollow feeling door panels when you tap on them. But in all honesty it's not something you notice on a daily basis and the rest of the car looks beautifully finished and tightly built. The only quality gripe I have seen on the S is a wobbly silver button at the end of the transmission stalk that does make a buzzing noise over certain rough road surfaces. But it hasn't bothered me so I'll have it addressed at his December service.

My sister in laws 2013 A250 has many moans and groans as does my aunts CLA200. They have certainly not aged well in the past 3-4 years. Conversely, my uncles and other aunts post FL W212 E-class's still feel like tanks.

In terms of issues with the Bermester sound you do hear pretty bad static/buzzing of some sort during phone calls on both our S and C and it gets worse when the volume is turned up, but during music playback I haven't noticed any issues and the sound quality is beautiful. Better than the HK set ups in our last cars and head and shoulders above the utterly crap HK in my BMW. But how MB hasn't noticed or addressed this static/buzzing noise during phone conversations is beyond me and another example of the lack of care and attention to detail that's going on over there.

 

[Serpens]

Funny. My 2014 W204 had chintzy feeling AC controls, rattling rear speakers, and the door cards in the rear did not scream luxury at all. I also had creaks over rough roads emenating from somewhere around the nav area and a passenger speaker that buzzed. Further, I remember in 2007 the W221 S500 I was driving blew its subwoofer within 5 months of ownership.

Overall, this is what I expect out of a C-class, 3-series, etc. I don’t really see it getting any worse than before, especially if you were used to a W203.

To be honest this is the only forum I’ve been on that has so widely praised the W204 in that regard. I loved mine for the solid feeling it imparted but it was not the high water marker in interior quality in my opinion.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Funny. My 2014 W204 had chintzy feeling AC controls, rattling rear speakers, and the door cards in the rear did not scream luxury at all. I also had creaks over rough roads emenating from somewhere around the nav area and a passenger speaker that buzzed. Further, I remember in 2007 the W221 S500 I was driving blew its subwoofer within 5 months of ownership.

Overall, this is what I expect out of a C-class, 3-series, etc. I don’t really see it getting any worse than before, especially if you were used to a W203.

To be honest this is the only forum I’ve been on that has so widely praised the W204 in that regard. I loved mine for the solid feeling it imparted but it was not the high water marker in interior quality in my opinion.

So interesting to have such disparate ownership experiences. I personally owned another W204 for close to 1.5 years and my experience echoed that of my mums car.

You're right though, the W204 was certainly wanting in terms of interior material refinement but to me it was far more solid than the B8 A4 at the time.

 

[Monster]

I pretty much do that.

On a serious note, there has certainly been a decline in build quality over at Mercedes Benz. Finish is fine, in fact it's very good, but when you start poking and prodding you notice the solidity of the previous generation of cars is missing. My mum's car now has 27,000 KM's and doesn't rattle or squeak, touch wood, but the perception of rock solid build that her W204 had is missing. The veneers feel thin and the module with the NAV and RADIO buttons has awful feeling buttons with no dampening and in fact the entire wood surround creaks horribly when you press any of these buttons. It grates me to such an extent I avoid using these button. If you prod the wood veneer covering the centre console it feels brittle and makes a sound to match. Place some light pressure on the dash mounted circular air vents and they too will let out a creak. There is a shiny element of black trim that borders the entire centre console and carries on down towards the transmission tunnel to enhance the 'floating' effect of the console and there is actually about 3-4mm of play in that trim that I have noticed on numerous dealership cars as well.

Thank god non of this is evident on Dad's S-class and my only gripe there is the hollow feeling door panels when you tap on them. But in all honesty it's not something you notice on a daily basis and the rest of the car looks beautifully finished and tightly built. The only quality g...

Cannot AGREE more with every single point of your post above, especially with that cheap flimsy gloss black plastic border edging the center console. The W213 isn't that much better either, but hopefully things will improve once our W213 gets here.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Cannot AGREE more with every single point of your post above, especially with that cheap flimsy gloss black plastic border edging the center console. The W213 isn't that much better either, but hopefully things will improve once our W213 gets here.

It's a sad state. And that the cars are literally flying out the door dealers have little time to notice and provide feedback to the manufacturer. I hope somone from MB is reading this. @Wolfgang please pass this on to Dr. Z.

Have you also got the buzzing sound issue during mobile calls?

I hope your E-class lives up to expectations. The console does feel more solid than the C when you place pressure on it, so maybe they are taking notice.

My mate with a first year build c-class, one of the first batch that came in Brilliant Blue before it was discontinued for 6 months, had a 'creaking' door issue that the dealership couldn't solve for over a year. I told him about my mums seals being replaced. He took his car in and told them about it. What do you know, seals were replaced and the issue is gone. He was happy as Larry but still laments the overly firm ride. Ive told him to pump up the pressure in the tyres.

 

[Monster]

It's a sad state. And that the cars are literally flying out the door dealers have little time to notice and provide feedback to the manufacturer. I hope somone from MB is reading this. @Wolfgang please pass this on to Dr. Z.

I don't think the bulk of C class customers will pay as much attention to the details as we do. So far all of my passengers have been impressed by the design and use of materials of the interior.

Have you also got the buzzing sound issue during mobile calls?

No buzzing sound from my speakers during mobile calls but I don't have the Burmester sound system. This isn't an isolated issue though I have read about this from other owners posting on MB forums.

I hope your E-class lives up to expectations. The console does feel more solid than the C when you place pressure on it, so maybe they are taking notice.

Hopefully so, will definitely be comparing it with the W211.

 

[Wolfgang]

I hope somone from MB is reading this. @Wolfgang please pass this on to Dr. Z.

May be better to tell him directly? He hangs out on linkedin.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dieterzetsche

 

[mercpassion]

So interesting to have such disparate ownership experiences. I personally owned another W204 for close to 1.5 years and my experience echoed that of my mums car.

You're right though, the W204 was certainly wanting in terms of interior material refinement but to me it was far more solid than the B8 A4 at the time.

I actually think the W204 material finish was first rate, especially the FL, and combined with the solid build, it was suitably a high MB standard. However it is very worrying and disappointing about the observations you have encountered on the newer gen cars (w205 etc)..I really hope MB sort these niggles out sharpish, at least by now they should have since the W205 has been on the market for a good 3 + years..

 

[HUTSUTAo]

the Edition 60 is similar to the Exclusive but adds 19-inch six-spoke alloys, macchiato beige and saddle brown designo Nappa leather upholstery, a Nappa leather-wrapped dashboard (Artico faux leather on other models) and designo lined piano black interior trim. There’s also Edition 60 badging on the front fenders and centre console, plus a gloss white key and an exclusive appreciation plaque from Royal Selangor.

 

[SDNR]

I pretty much do that.

On a serious note, there has certainly been a decline in build quality over at Mercedes Benz. Finish is fine, in fact it's very good, but when you start poking and prodding you notice the solidity of the previous generation of cars is missing. My mum's car now has 27,000 KM's and doesn't rattle or squeak, touch wood, but the perception of rock solid build that her W204 had is missing. The veneers feel thin and the module with the NAV and RADIO buttons has awful feeling buttons with no dampening and in fact the entire wood surround creaks horribly when you press any of these buttons. It grates me to such an extent I avoid using these button. If you prod the wood veneer covering the centre console it feels brittle and makes a sound to match. Place some light pressure on the dash mounted circular air vents and they too will let out a creak. There is a shiny element of black trim that borders the entire centre console and carries on down towards the transmission tunnel to enhance the 'floating' effect of the console and there is actually about 3-4mm of play in that trim that I have noticed on numerous dealership cars as well.

Thank god non of this is evident on Dad's S-class and my only gripe there is the hollow feeling door panels when you tap on them. But in all honesty it's not something you notice on a daily basis and the rest of the car looks beautifully finished and tightly built. The only quality g...

MERCEDES-BENZ!!! - Employ this man in your quality control department IMMEDIATELY!

 

[fortuner]

the Edition 60 is similar to the Exclusive but adds 19-inch six-spoke alloys, macchiato beige and saddle brown designo Nappa leather upholstery, a Nappa leather-wrapped dashboard (Artico faux leather on other models) and designo lined piano black interior trim. There’s also Edition 60 badging on the front fenders and centre console, plus a gloss white key and an exclusive appreciation plaque from Royal Selangor.

Beautifull Wow.

 

[Yaz]

Edition 60 should have gotten a six cylinder.

 

[Wolfgang]

SALES RELEASE FOR AMENDMENT 17/2 OF THE E CLASS LIMOUSINE AND T MODEL

The sales release for the 2017/2 (MY 808 + 058) year, which will be produced from the beginning of December 2017, is now available for the Mercedes-Benz E-Class of the 213 and 238 series. In addition to the elimination of the optical differentiation of the PLUG-IN variant of the E Class as sedan, there are 3 new equipment options.

Series 213
A new AMG decorative trim element "glass fiber silver matt" is available for 2017/2 of the E-Class of the 213 series. In addition, the pre-installation for the CD drive is now available from the factory, as was often requested. Equally new is the ENERGIZING comfort control (code P72) for the E-Class, which was already known from the S-Class of the 222 series.

CD drive in the glove compartment
The CD drive is available as a retrofit for vehicles as from the year 17/1 onwards. An update is not possible for COMAND systems before NTG 5.5. The drive can already be ordered under item number A 222 820 6306 (available from the end of October 2017).

Further changes for the E-Class in the 2017/2 year:

• Separate heated armrests
• Expansion of the functions in the combi-instrument of the plug-in hybrid motorization (display with electric drive driven distance from reset with deactivation
• Extended display in combination instrument for hitch (display correctly snapping)
• E 350 e: Now with "EQ Power" badge on the mudguards
• E 350 e: Discontinued "PLUG IN HYBRID" on mudguards and booth space, omission of the accent rings in the headlights (with ILS system) and the absence of the blue brake calipers at the front.

Verkaufsfreigabe für Änderungsjahr 17/2 der E-Klasse Limousine und T-Modell - Mercedes-Benz Passion Blog / Mercedes Benz, smart, Maybach, AMG

 

[klier]

Beautifull Wow.

Terrible color combo imo. Particularly the white steering wheel. YUCK.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Terrible color combo imo. Particularly the white steering wheel. YUCK.

It's beige actually

 

[Emex]

Terrible color combo imo. Particularly the white steering wheel. YUCK.

Nope, not a fan either.

 

[Chrismp]

Hi guys,

Do you have any idea when the new I6 Diesel engine will be available in the W213/S213? Only with the facelift?
I am struggling if I should sell my S212 E350 Diesel as I have a good deal for a A6 Competition.

S212 is just the perfect for the family space wise but cannot help myself I am in love the with current A6 Avant.
530d is nice as well but the BMW dealerships in my region are a nightmare - don't need private customers as they are doing good fleet business.

Appreciate your help for the decision.
Regards

Christoph

Edit: If the I6 Diesel would be available soon I could motivate myself to stay with the Star and wait

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Hi guys,

Do you have any idea when the new I6 Diesel engine will be available in the W213/S213? Only with the facelift?
I am struggling if I should sell my S212 E350 Diesel as I have a good deal for a A6 Competition.

S212 is just the perfect for the family space wise but cannot help myself I am in love the with current A6 Avant.
530d is nice as well but the BMW dealerships in my region are a nightmare - don't need private customers as they are doing good fleet business.

Appreciate your help for the decision.
Regards

Christoph

Edit: If the I6 Diesel would be available soon I could motivate myself to stay with the Star and wait

Hi Christoph, rumor has it, it will come not later than june/july 2018, but can be ordered on an earlier date.