C-Class (W206) [Official] Mercedes Benz C-Class (W206)

[PINHEAD]

Wow-that's an amazingly clean W202. It's very difficult finding examples like this here in Germany.

Wow-that's an amazingly clean W202. It's very difficult finding examples like this here in Germany.

Thanks! I really took care for it.

 

[J.E]

C63 W206 render.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

And it turned out beautifully!

Yes, I also got some F30 "vibes" especially the cutlines around the headlights in profile. Of course, the silhouette is very similar but this is no longer a surprise given what we've seen from @Matski and his interesting outline diagrams. There's only so much you can do with a RWD, 3 box sedan in a certain size class.

Sorry that you miss your 340i. Lovely car, the F30, barring its horrible transmission tunnel console. Everything else, pretty much faultless.

I'm very intrigued to get behind the wheel of W206. I really want to suss out that interior and see if everything fits together tightly. There's a lot of separate trim pieces clipped into one another - not always a good recipe for snap, crackle & pop - y'know what I mean.

My F30 had numerous issues over my 3 years of ownership including transmission failure, spark plug failure and electronic glitches, however the nappa leather clad interior of the 40th anniversary addition just felt sublime (snap, crackle and pop considered) and it brought me a driving pleasure that the X3 M40i just doesn't come close too.

It will be very interesting to see your take on the new 3 and C when it comes time to changing vehicles. Will the rear axle steering finally give the C the dynamics to rival customers such as yourself? I could forgive the new C some finish shortcomings if it feels as solid as the new GLE etc.

 

[Wunderkind]

My F30 had numerous issues over my 3 years of ownership including transmission failure, spark plug failure and electronic glitches...

What happened to the transmission? Did it get stuck in gear or won't shift? Was it an electronic issue that caused the problem?

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

What happened to the transmission? Did it get stuck in gear or won't shift? Was it an electronic issue that caused the problem?

I couldn't recall the exact issue with this incident to be honest with you. It was in 2016. My wife was in Byron Bay, some 2 hours away from home, with our 4 month old in mid summer heat. After she stopped for a break the car would not engage drive and she had to wait for a tow vehicle to take the 3 back to Brisbane and then go collect the the loan vehicle from car hire place in Ballina, another 30 minutes south of Byron. Saying it was traumatic would really be a 'first world problem' but we were both understandably annoyed.

 

[LaArtist]

My F30 had numerous issues over my 3 years of ownership including transmission failure, spark plug failure and electronic glitches, however the nappa leather clad interior of the 40th anniversary addition just felt sublime (snap, crackle and pop considered) and it brought me a driving pleasure that the X3 M40i just doesn't come close too.

It will be very interesting to see your take on the new 3 and C when it comes time to changing vehicles. Will the rear axle steering finally give the C the dynamics to rival customers such as yourself? I could forgive the new C some finish shortcomings if it feels as solid as the new GLE etc.

Yeah it’s a piece of shit like most bmw’s.

 

[Sonder]

those comparisons are not fair, because the 206 is the AMG package

 

[chonkoa]

A little trolling: Some people can not accept the 4 cylinder, because it doesn't have the power delivery and the sophistication of the V8. But FFS, the V8 has neither the power delivery nor the sophistication of an electric motor and by a much bigger margin.

What sophistication of an electric motor power delivery?
This has got to be a joke right?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

What sophistication of an electric motor power delivery?
This has got to be a joke right?

These are two different things: 1.Sofistication and 2.Power delievery. In both cases the electric motor kills the V8. And yes it's not a joke.

 

[chonkoa]

I couldn't recall the exact issue with this incident to be honest with you. It was in 2016. My wife was in Byron Bay, some 2 hours away from home, with our 4 month old in mid summer heat. After she stopped for a break the car would not engage drive and she had to wait for a tow vehicle to take the 3 back to Brisbane and then go collect the the loan vehicle from car hire place in Ballina, another 30 minutes south of Byron. Saying it was traumatic would really be a 'first world problem' but we were both understandably annoyed.

Sounds like an electronic problem. If you cannot engage the transmission is typical of an electronic problem(s)

 

[chonkoa]

These are two different things: 1.Sofistication and 2.Power delievery. In both cases the electric motor kills the V8. And yes it's not a joke.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Let us take one at a time.
1. Sophistication and by that we are talking about the complexity of the system- is that correct? We are talking about machines so it is has to be the only logical one. I beg to differ. An internal combustion engine system is actually more complex than an electric motor.
2. Power Delivery is more complex in an ICE system by virtue of (1) above. To design the control system of an ICE is a very complex proposition due to the wide array of parameters(Pressure, Volume, Temperature,flow rates, combustion, speed, spring constants and lifts, compression, oil temp, thermodynamics etc). All those sensors provide an input into various sub-modules that are fully integrated into a management system. For an electric motor I am simply focused on V(ft) and I(ft) (ft is used to represent a time frequency function, where f=0 equates to a DC system) and the behavior of V and I with respect to controlling the motor ie how do I modulate these two parameters.
I have a set of field coils and their configuration determines how the electric motor behaves.
So I still in my opinion see ICE as a more complex system ergo a more sophisticated system than an electric motor. Heck, it takes me less than a day to build a rudimentary electric motor and control it from scratch.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Thanks for the elaboration.
Let us take one at a time.
1. Sophistication and by that we are talking about the complexity of the system- is that correct? We are talking about machines so it is has to be the only logical one. I beg to differ. An internal combustion engine system is actually more complex than an electric motor.
2. Power Delivery is more complex in an ICE system by virtue of (1) above. To design the control system of an ICE is a very complex proposition due to the wide array of parameters(Pressure, Volume, Temperature,flow rates, combustion, speed, spring constants and lifts, compression, oil temp, thermodynamics etc). All those sensors provide an input into various sub-modules that are fully integrated into a management system. For an electric motor I am simply focused on V(ft) and I(ft) (ft is used to represent a time frequency function, where f=0 equates to a DC system) and the behavior of V and I with respect to controlling the motor ie how do I modulate these two parameters.
I have a set of field coils and their configuration determines how the electric motor behaves.
So I still in my opinion see ICE as a more complex system ergo a more sophisticated system than an electric motor. Heck, it takes me less than a day to build a rudimentary electric motor and control it from scratch.

Sofisticated by the means of noise and vibration. You are totally shifting the point bringing characteristics, that are of 0 relevance to the customer.

 

[chonkoa]

Sofisticated by the means of noise and vibration. You are totally shifting the point bringing characteristics, that are of 0 relevance to the customer.

Oh, I see.
I apologise if I was trying to elaborate and address certain misgivings based on your earlier broad assertions. I attempted to focus on your assertions/definitions but I guess I did a miserable job.
I agree with you in terms of noise and vibration an electric motor is superior on these metrics.
As a customers, they do have a relevance- I might be in the minority but they do, so the assertion of having zero relevance to the customer is equally open to debate because after all it is all subjective.

 

[Sunny]

2021 Mercedes-AMG C63: 4cyl hybrid power with 600+bhp confirmed

Here's everything you need to know about the next super saloon

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Don't know how accurate this is, but claims C63 with 4 banger and hybrid will be 2000kg! That is more than a comparable EV.

Yeah that is trolling. There is sophistication in an electric motor's power delivery, it's either on or off.

M

Not sure what @CrunchSlaughtered means by "sophistication in an electric motor's power delivery", but EV throttle response is unmatched even by one of the most responsive ICE engines this side of exotics. I say this after experiencing a Taycan and GT3 RS back to back. The other difference that strikes you is the effortlessness of the power delivery. After driving an EV, pulling away from a stop sign in an ICEV feels like a chore. Of course on the flip side, the texture and tactility of ICE is missing.

 

[Serpens]

Oh it's accurate. This is going to be a very heavy car for its class.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Oh it's accurate. This is going to be a very heavy car for its class.

AMG are going to struggle with the ride/handling balance if this thing is that much of a pig. I suspect it's going to be FIRM.

 

[Merc1]

2021 Mercedes-AMG C63: 4cyl hybrid power with 600+bhp confirmed

Here's everything you need to know about the next super saloon

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Don't know how accurate this is, but claims C63 with 4 banger and hybrid will be 2000kg! That is more than a comparable EV.




Not sure what @CrunchSlaughtered means by "sophistication in an electric motor's power delivery", but EV throttle response is unmatched even by one of the most responsive ICE engines this side of exotics. I say this after experiencing a Taycan and GT3 RS back to back. The other difference that strikes you is the effortlessness of the power delivery. After driving an EV, pulling away from a stop sign in an ICEV feels like a chore. Of course on the flip side, the texture and tactility of ICE is missing.

Yes, that part is my point.

M

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

2021 Mercedes-AMG C63: 4cyl hybrid power with 600+bhp confirmed

Here's everything you need to know about the next super saloon

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Don't know how accurate this is, but claims C63 with 4 banger and hybrid will be 2000kg! That is more than a comparable EV.




Not sure what @CrunchSlaughtered means by "sophistication in an electric motor's power delivery", but EV throttle response is unmatched even by one of the most responsive ICE engines this side of exotics. I say this after experiencing a Taycan and GT3 RS back to back. The other difference that strikes you is the effortlessness of the power delivery. After driving an EV, pulling away from a stop sign in an ICEV feels like a chore. Of course on the flip side, the texture and tactility of ICE is missing.

Ha ha, this is what I meant but said in the right way. My idea was that the characteristics in which the V8 excels the V8, are even more pronounced when comparing an elmotor to a V8.

 

[Merc1]

We're going to get the best looking C63 ever, but without the proper engine.


M

 

[Bencom12]

2022 Mercedes C-Class overhauled with new technology and a new design The new generation C300 W206 sedan boasts more space, aggressive styling and the latest MBUX infotainment technology. The Mercedes C-class 2022 is redesigned from the outside and features a more efficient turbocharged four-cylinder engine. The exterior design is stronger, while the interior changes many buttons to switch to the 11.9 inch touch screen that contains the latest MBUX software version. 2022 C300 and C300 4Matic project will have a face at the showroom at My head year 2022. Show Mercedes has not shared price details yet. Mercedes has the fine end of the redesigned 2022 C-class sedan. The best-selling car in the automaker's lineup has received a major change that includes an exterior design, increased interior space and a host of updated technologies for the first time. on the S-class 2021. C-class sedans of the 2022 C300 and C300 4Matic are expected to arrive at dealers in the US as early as 2022. Pricing has yet to be announced. The length of the new sedan is 1.0 inches longer than the payee, when the body is 2.5 inches longer, 0.4 inches wider, and the height is 0.4 inches shorter than before; We think the new model has a better manipulation field set-up. Unchanged shippers, but not a left and place to foot up times about 0.5 inches and 0.8 inches. The 2022 C300 and C300 4Matic are powered by a turbocharged 2.0-liter inline 4-cylinder producing 255 hp and 295 pound-feet of torque. These numbers help it compete in the segment with competitors like the Audi A4, BMW 3-series and Genesis G70. The new addendered C with a boot system / play power EQ Boost 48 volt from Mercedes, capable of adding 20 hp and 148 pound-feet of torque. Mercedes claims that this engine is 10 to 15% more efficient than the previous four-cylinder engine with no hybrid assist. The grade nine automatic box is unique. The more powerful AMG model, along with the coupe and cabriolet variants, is expected for the future. The Design of C-class 2022 borrows heavily from the smaller A-class, and the new look eliminates the car rear end of the previous-generation sedan. The front end is sharper, more angular, and the styling is more comfortable to give the C-class exterior it needs to compete directly with the products of BMW and Audi. The big change the most to be found on inside, the simpler design aesthetic response seen on the S-class 2021. An 11.9-inch touch piece has taken over the center of the dashboard, pushing three air vents. up on the screen. Meanwhile, the touchpad and control knob in the panel control center are found on the C-class before disappearing completely. The result is less center stacks with less physical buttons. The first shape using the new MBUX software version of the company, is Mercedes for the know has the power process on before the system. Tactile controls still include buttons and press buttons for driver mode, camera view mode, vehicle settings, hazard indicator and volume. There is also a fingerprint scanner that is used to log into each profile driver. Wrapped behind the steering wheel is a 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster. Standard equipment includes 18-inch wheels, front seats with card, sunroof and wireless functions Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Options include a head-up display, additional driver assistance systems, 19-inch wheels, nappa leather upholstery, steering wheel, cordless phone, AMG interior and styling. Mercedes has not announced the price yet, but we believe that the C300 2022 guide will have a start up point around 43,000 USD while the C300 4Matic all-wheel guide will cost 45,000 USD. Both projects will be in showrooms in the US in early 2022. but we are confident that the C300 2022 guide will have a start up the point around USD 43,000 while the C300 4Matic guide all-wheel-drive will have the price 45,000 USD. Both projects will be in showrooms in the US in early 2022. but we are confident that the C300 2022 guide will have a start up the point around USD 43,000 while the C300 4Matic guide all-wheel-drive will have the price 45,000 USD. Both projects will hit showrooms in the US as early as 2022.