The BMW 1 Series is a range of subcompact executive cars (C-segment) manufactured by BMW since 2004. Positioned as the entry-level model in BMW range of products, the first generation was produced in hatchback, coupé and convertible body styles.
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Exactly. We have a few to few reference points. Sport Auto driving the damn thing being one
I don't know what BMW claimed for the E46 M3, but BMW are sometimes very optimistic (not Nissan-optimistic, but still) when it comes to factory times. I think it will be safe to say that the 1M will be in the tens, if really daring, down in the zeros, but I think that is pushing it.
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Some posts moved to:
https://www.germancarforum.com/threads/rs3-vs-1m-coupe-likes-and-dislikes.35951/
https://www.germancarforum.com/threads/rs3-vs-1m-coupe-likes-and-dislikes.35951/
The car drove on semi-slicks, so not really comparable
Nurburgring Lap Times as Posted on Wikipedia:
• E46 M3 CSL - 7:50
• E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
• E63 M6 - 8:09
• 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Z4 M-Coupe - 8:12
• E60 M5 - 8:13
• Alpina B3 Biturbo - 8:14
• Z4 M-Roadster - 8:15
• Alpina Roadster S (Z4) - 8:15
• E46 M3 - 8:22
• 335i E92 Coupe - 8:26
Other Models Compared:
• 911 Carrera S PDK (997.5) - 7:50
• Audi R8 4.2 - 8:04
• Cayman S - 8:04 (by Walter Röhrl)
• Audi RS4 - 8:09
• Audi TT-RS - 8:09
• BMW 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 8:13
• Mercedes C63 AMG PP - 8:13
• Corvette C6 - 8:15
• Cayman S - 8:16 (Sport Auto)
• Porsche Boxter S (987.5) - 8:18
• Lexus IS-F - 8:18
• 2010 VW Golf R - 8:23
• Audi S5 (2007) - 8:26
• Audi TT-S (2008) - 8:29
• E46 M3 CSL - 7:50
• E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
• E63 M6 - 8:09
• 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Z4 M-Coupe - 8:12
• E60 M5 - 8:13
• Alpina B3 Biturbo - 8:14
• Z4 M-Roadster - 8:15
• Alpina Roadster S (Z4) - 8:15
• E46 M3 - 8:22
• 335i E92 Coupe - 8:26
Other Models Compared:
• 911 Carrera S PDK (997.5) - 7:50
• Audi R8 4.2 - 8:04
• Cayman S - 8:04 (by Walter Röhrl)
• Audi RS4 - 8:09
• Audi TT-RS - 8:09
• BMW 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 8:13
• Mercedes C63 AMG PP - 8:13
• Corvette C6 - 8:15
• Cayman S - 8:16 (Sport Auto)
• Porsche Boxter S (987.5) - 8:18
• Lexus IS-F - 8:18
• 2010 VW Golf R - 8:23
• Audi S5 (2007) - 8:26
• Audi TT-S (2008) - 8:29
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Good time. I'll try to do a better lap with mine
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No. A new precedent was set by the launch of the X5/X6-M. It doesn't get more unorthodox than an four wheel drive, turbo powered and off-road capable M car that makes use of a slush box. The X5-M marked the bottom for the M-division and now the engineering house is in indiscriminate. Any car that wants to become an M, will be christened. In fact, the 7er is the only model in the BMw line-up that isn't topped by an M version. Given that there now is an M-pack for the car, a full fledged turbo powered M-version will see day light in the next three years.
M now stands for Marketing. It's a fashion brand. The sentiment is mixed as some perceive the 1M to be overpriced compared with it's close sibling the 135M. Nevertheless BMW have managed to move more than enough 1Ms and for owners the resale value will easily make up for the premium over a 135i. The M version for the 7er will most certainly follow the same recipe. It's cost effective and development time is short in comparison to the 5-6 years devoted to an M3 or M5. An M7 will bring in heaps of revenue from the Russia, the middle east and nouveau riche China while the 135i and 1M are key models for winning over the young and affluent not quite ready for the M3.
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Thanks Sunny. Yip, sounds very good actually. Typically sonorous BMW straight six note, only slightly hissy at the top end of the rev range (unavoidable really) with acceptable increase in pitch for an M car. Which leads me on to...
Right, so I've been checking the 1M Coupe out now for some time, taking in the pics, reading up on the specs and trying to decide what I make of it in the context of a certain thread of discussion: is this a proper ///M car?
There are varying degrees of the essence of M these days and it's actually BMW themselves who give the clearest indication of how they view the fat content of the M models. It all has to do with where they put the M - BMW M cars in M major and M minor. M cars in M major are the full-fat items - the most concerted of BMW's motorsport division's efforts - and those in M minor aren't.
I can see no other rational reason for not calling this car the M1. You can't tell me that a 30 year old one-off badge is so sacrosanct to a maker that has made some of the biggest about-faces in the way it approaches its engineering philosophy and dynamic ethos. If BMW are that hellbent on protecting what's sacred then monikers like X5M would never have materialised. This car should've been called the BMW M1 by all means.
But it isn't. A quiet, subliminal message from BMW that this isn't ///M in the full fat idiom? Nor are the slushbox vulgarwagons. I can't say for a fact but that's the message I get: BMW makes M cars in M minor now.
The BMW 1M Coupe is just such a car - it's terrific on so many levels; it looks ace, it has the proper stance of an M car, a proper rear diff, a proper manual gearbox for men (and women) with good footwork and it's got gorgeous wheels. It also seems to have key RWD ingredients for a traditionally tail-happy M car demeanour. So far so good...
But a proper M car is as much defined by its engine as it is by the sum of all of the above. This is not an M engine. It's a good engine, certainly, but viewed against the truly momentous, landmark engines like the S62, S54, S85 and S65, it's just a regular BMW engine. It lacks the specialness of the aforementioned. It lacks the application of effort and passion that somehow spiritually manifests in the physical performance of those great S engines.
Where are the two cross-flowed, twin-scroll turbos? Where's the shorter stroke and the forged (or even titanium) con-rods to impart higher rpm? They're not there because this is an M car in M minor, BMW tells us.
Doesn't stop me from wanting one quite badly mind you. Not nearly as much as an M3 of course, but then that is an M car in M major.
Right, so I've been checking the 1M Coupe out now for some time, taking in the pics, reading up on the specs and trying to decide what I make of it in the context of a certain thread of discussion: is this a proper ///M car?
There are varying degrees of the essence of M these days and it's actually BMW themselves who give the clearest indication of how they view the fat content of the M models. It all has to do with where they put the M - BMW M cars in M major and M minor. M cars in M major are the full-fat items - the most concerted of BMW's motorsport division's efforts - and those in M minor aren't.
I can see no other rational reason for not calling this car the M1. You can't tell me that a 30 year old one-off badge is so sacrosanct to a maker that has made some of the biggest about-faces in the way it approaches its engineering philosophy and dynamic ethos. If BMW are that hellbent on protecting what's sacred then monikers like X5M would never have materialised. This car should've been called the BMW M1 by all means.
But it isn't. A quiet, subliminal message from BMW that this isn't ///M in the full fat idiom? Nor are the slushbox vulgarwagons. I can't say for a fact but that's the message I get: BMW makes M cars in M minor now.
The BMW 1M Coupe is just such a car - it's terrific on so many levels; it looks ace, it has the proper stance of an M car, a proper rear diff, a proper manual gearbox for men (and women) with good footwork and it's got gorgeous wheels. It also seems to have key RWD ingredients for a traditionally tail-happy M car demeanour. So far so good...
But a proper M car is as much defined by its engine as it is by the sum of all of the above. This is not an M engine. It's a good engine, certainly, but viewed against the truly momentous, landmark engines like the S62, S54, S85 and S65, it's just a regular BMW engine. It lacks the specialness of the aforementioned. It lacks the application of effort and passion that somehow spiritually manifests in the physical performance of those great S engines.
Where are the two cross-flowed, twin-scroll turbos? Where's the shorter stroke and the forged (or even titanium) con-rods to impart higher rpm? They're not there because this is an M car in M minor, BMW tells us.
Doesn't stop me from wanting one quite badly mind you. Not nearly as much as an M3 of course, but then that is an M car in M major.
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That.
A two-tiered arsenal of M-cars has certainly materialised in the advent of the X5-M and 1M. In the real world, customers don't probe with blunt questions about how sacred the engine under the bonnet of their car is. As long as the car has four pipes, an M emblem, comes in pussy-magnet-orange and has an artificially created exhaust note that makes the car sound fast, they are happy to sign the dotted line.
The fashion world is no different where people don't distinguish between D&G and Dolce Gabbana. The latter is the hallmark high fashion label with a limited selection of very expensive tags that are as infinite as the sky. Most of these offerings are designed under the supervision of Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana. D&G on the other hand is simply a brand leveraging the association with Dolce & Gabbana. Accessibility is wide and prices are in the range of most middle and upper middle class folks. Both are however put in the same Dolce & Gabbana basket by the masses who don't know that a €180 D&G hoodie bought in Germany is not of the same calibre as a one-off Dolce & Gabbana dress worn by Naomi Campbell at a Cannes film festival.
That.
A two-tiered arsenal of M-cars has certainly materialised in the advent of the X5-M and 1M. In the real world, customers don't probe with blunt questions about how sacred the engine under the bonnet of their car is. As long as the car has four pipes, an M emblem, comes in pussy-magnet-orange and has an artificially created exhaust note that makes the car sound fast, they are happy to sign the dotted line.
The fashion world is no different where people don't distinguish between D&G and Dolce Gabbana. The latter is the hallmark high fashion label with a limited selection of very expensive tags that are as infinite as the sky. Most of these offerings are designed under the supervision of Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana. D&G on the other hand is simply a brand leveraging the association with Dolce & Gabbana. Accessibility is wide and prices are in the range of most middle and upper middle class folks. Both are however put in the same Dolce & Gabbana basket by the masses who don't know that a €180 D&G hoodie bought in Germany is not of the same calibre as a one-off Dolce & Gabbana dress worn by Naomi Campbell at a Cannes film festival.
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This, my friend, is the truth. It's the ESSENCE of what is happening and is quite interesting. Interesting in a good and bad way.
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Hmm, that's interesting.
I was always under the impression that when it came to the 7 series, BMW would, as a general rule, delegate the task of ennoblement to Alpina. Where would this leave the Alpina B7 Biturbo ?
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Where ever the B3 and B5 are.
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I've always thought that there is more room for differentation within the given model ranges of the 3 and 5 series. The elegant, oppulent refinement offered in cars such as the B3/B3S and B5 Alpinas versus the consequent highly sporting nature of the M series cars. BMW themselves have alway denied having any aspirations of offering a bonafide M-version of the 7 series.
Could it be that the AMG S-Class cars have finally gotten under BMWs' skin ? Or the speculation regarding Audis' upcoming 500HP+ S8 ?
But hey, if BMW has some substantial indication that Chinese and Russian customers would rock an M7-why not ?!
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manufacturer of luxury vehicles and motorcycles headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany.
The company was founded in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines, which it produced
from 1917 to 1918 and again from 1933 to 1945.
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