A5/S5/RS5 [Official] Audi RS5

[martinbo]

I left out the rest because I agree with you on most of it with the small part on rwd being more progressive as this always depends on a muplitude [Is this a real word? of things like speed, angle of corner/steering input, load on the outside wheel, gear, amount of torque the engine is producing at the time, etc, etc.

All of which are not the sole preserve of RWD dynamics and could be said for FWD and AWD too.

The point is quite simple; in a RWD car one of the inputs into a powered oversteer moment is throttle. To reduce the rate of oversteer, reduce the amount of throttle. To induce more oversteer apply a little more throttle. There's a stunning video of one of our members in his M3 CSL demonstrating exactly what the concept of progressively controllable oversteer is. Now that's the definition of progressive. In lift-off oversteer the rear-end breakaway is sudden and more rapid - the rate of which being dictated by polar moment of inertia - not driver input.

 

[footie]

All of which are not the sole preserve of RWD dynamics and could be said for FWD and AWD too.

The point is quite simple; in a RWD car one of the inputs into a powered oversteer moment is throttle. To reduce the rate of oversteer, reduce the amount of throttle. To induce more oversteer apply a little more throttle. There's a stunning video of one of our members in his M3 CSL demonstrating exactly what the concept of progressively controllable oversteer is. Now that's the definition of progressive. In lift-off oversteer the rear-end breakaway is sudden and more rapid - the rate of which being dictated by polar moment of inertia - not driver input.

I should have made myself more clear, I meant break away oversteer, in a rwd car this happen more suddenly in awd. When the same thing happens in an awd car the awd system is already working to aid you, with a rwd car it's solely up to you to control what happens next.

 

[Mr Robert]

But when it comes to the road I respect other road users and prefer not the get the car out of shape, sad to say but rwd becomes as boring as the rest when this is the case and it's then that I prefer my cars to have exceptional traction, it know that I can punch the throttle mid corner and know that the tail won't step out too much and cause oncoming traffic to be alarmed.

Now you or anyone else is entitled to have a different opinion, you may well still be OK with having a lot of fun on public roads and sliding the tail when the opportunity arises but it's not for me, I have seen too many road accidents to not respect the power these things now have.

 

[Giannis]

Well deserved

 

[Sunny]

I think some people here have it opposite. It is at a track where every millisecond counts that the cold efficiency of AWD counts most. In real world, no one cares if you reach work/home a few secs faster, at least my boss/wife doesn't and if yours do, I suggest start with getting a new job/wife, not a car. And when you do come around to choosing a car, choose one that can make a dreary daily commute a little more fun. It might not get you more sex or that promotion, but it will probably make you a more fun person to be around. And no, you don't need to indulge in tail out hooliganism for it to be fun, just taking an on/off ramp at a safe speed in a car with a well balanced chassis, a precise steering and good throttle response is fun enough. And if you don't have the skill to do this safely, go take the bus or still better, invest little on your self and join a performance driving school and take some basic classes on car control.

 

[ZeroRisk]

Love your photo, Dr. Dunkel... right of reply...

 

[martinbo]

Ok, folks we've had our fun (and been down this tit-for-tat road before on many occasion) from here on let's get back on topic about the RS5 and, if you have something meaningful to contribute, its AWD system...

 

[LaArtist]

Love your photo, Dr. Dunkel... right of reply...

Funny thing is that one of those is a M5..but the fool who wrote the quotes belives its M3

 

[Sunny]

Funny thing is that one of those is a M5..but the fool who wrote the quotes belives its M3

Being pedantic, but it is actually not even M5, just a normal 5.

 

[Zafiro]

Sorry, us Audi drivers dont quite have as much experience with identifying wrecked cars... I stand corrected!

Im trying to avoid your guys pissing contest but that last pic is a standard 5-series with M-package.

 

[footie]

I think some people here have it opposite. It is at a track where every millisecond counts that the cold efficiency of AWD counts most. In real world, no one cares if you reach work/home a few secs faster, at least my boss/wife doesn't and if yours do, I suggest start with getting a new job/wife, not a car. And when you do come around to choosing a car, choose one that can make a dreary daily commute a little more fun. It might not get you more sex or that promotion, but it will probably make you a more fun person to be around. And no, you don't need to indulge in tail out hooliganism for it to be fun, just taking an on/off ramp at a safe speed in a car with a well balanced chassis, a precise steering and good throttle response is fun enough. And if you don't have the skill to do this safely, go take the bus or still better, invest little on your self and join a performance driving school and take some basic classes on car control.

While I agree on every point you made here which is the reason why there's a car made for everyone but in all honestly driving an RS5 or M3, though there are subtle differences between them in how they feel at normal speeds it's not until you 'get on it' and drive beyond the point where most would class it responsible do their true different characters shine through. It only at these final two tenths of the car's ability do they make you as the driver feel different, it's a question of how you like your martini, is it shaken or is it stirred?

When you purchase any car of this caliber and this kind of performance you will always return home or arrive at the office with a smile on your face.

 

[footie]

Three RS5s, where yet to go but the Alps.

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[south]

It's one RS5, one S5 and one A5.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

It's one RS5, one S5 and one A5.


Best regards,
south

oops, oh how embarrassing. Memo to self 'always watch video before posting'.

 

[SCOTT27]

If I remember correctly , apart from the 5. Those M3's are the result of inexperienced drivers , US teenagers showing off their skills? in a car they have no way of handling. See the results for yourselves.

 

[andresswe]

Scott!

Nice avatar. 3er GT?

 

[footie]

If I remember correctly , apart from the 5. Those M3's are the result of inexperienced drivers , US teenagers showing off their skills? in a car they have no way of handling. See the results for yourselves.

Quite right, there is nothing remotely wrong with the handling of an M3 or any other BMW (quite the opposite). Any car driven beyond the ability of the driver will usually end in tears and these photos are testimony to that.

Scott!

Nice avatar. 3er GT?

I know it's a BMW but on first glance it could have be mistaken for a Saab.

 

[donkeykong]

thats a cool video footie,nice find

 

[Zafiro]

Just back from a short testdrive with a RS5 (white).
The traction off the line is really impressive. Just floor it and change gear after gear, it goes like a rocket. Change to Dynamic and the engine sound gives me goosebump. I wish it had this sound all the time.
The road I drove was damp but nonetheless you feel secure when you hit the accelerator.
In real life the car looks quite anonymous, its discreet looking car imo.
On the way home after I returned the car I met Maserati Granturismo S. Why didn't I meet this car when I had the RS5

I've also seen A7 in person, looks much better in person than the photos I've seen.

 

[ZeroRisk]

Just back from a short testdrive with a RS5 (white).
The traction off the line is really impressive. Just floor it and change gear after gear, it goes like a rocket. Change to Dynamic and the engine sound gives me goosebump. I wish it had this sound all the time.
The road I drove was damp but nonetheless you feel secure when you hit the accelerator.
In real life the car looks quite anonymous, its discreet looking car imo.

Yes, isn't it a fantastic engine sound in Dynamic - almost enough to make you buy it on that alone!