M3/M4 [Official] 2021 BMW M3 and M4 [G80 & G82]

[Centurion]

Hmmm, Joe thinks M5 CS is the better car than the M4 CSL. Not very surprised, I feel CSL is kind of in no man's land - not special enough to go head to head vs Porsche. Not practical enough to be the family man's alternative to Porsche.

The CSL badge attracts high expectation that's were never going to be fully meet by a car that has the S58 and a ZF8.

BMW should have named it the CS and increased the production. It's just a better M3 and not a holygrail M car.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The CSL badge attracts high expectation that's were never going to be fully meet by a car that has the S58 and a ZF8.

BMW should have named it the CS and increased the production. It's just a better M3 and not a holygrail M car.

But a CS is coming so this option was not available

 

[Sunny]

BMW should have named it the CS and increased the production.

And kept the rear seats, and lost $30k.

But a CS is coming so this option was not available

I could be wrong but think only M3 CS is coming, not M4. Which is fine by me. M3 looks far better.

 

[leylandi]

they will ask for 750K euro for the derivative 3.0 CSL. The most useless expense in the world.

 

[martinbo]

I feel CSL is kind of in no man's land - not special enough to go head to head vs Porsche. Not practical enough to be the family man's alternative to Porsche

I agree - even upon presentation, I didn’t feel that the CSL was special enough for the moniker. The M4 is just too big when it dwarfs the already-quite-large (for a 911) 992 GT3. And, I’m really not impressed by a smattering of M-Performance carbon and a bunch of decals being the visual separator over a standard M4. It’s 2022 - you gotta do more than that.

So, if I’m buying then GT3 for me - heck, I’d even take a GTS over this - but I’d still be irked by the fact that the M4 has the finer cabin compared to 992’s rather flimsy interior.

 

[Sunny]

they will ask for 750K euro for the derivative 3.0 CSL. The most useless expense in the world.

But better than 3 mil for a car that shuts down if the battery is full!

 

[klier]

they will ask for 750K euro for the derivative 3.0 CSL. The most useless expense in the world.

Troll alert #83645

F'ing incredible.

 

[leylandi]

But better than 3 mil for a car that shuts down if the battery is full!

no problem in the garage

 

[SCOTT27]

Frozen Orange

 

[Sunny]

Evo/Jethro's luke wam review of the CSL - https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m4-coupe/205284/bmw-m4-csl-2022-review.

Thinks M2 CS and M5 CS were better -

In combination with the recent form of the M Division – the M2 CS and M5 CS are truly fantastic cars – I was extremely excited about the M4 CSL. In the end, it impresses at times but doesn’t seem to possess the pure magic of recent CS models.

 

[Centurion]

Jethro's luke wam review of the CSL - https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m4-coupe/205284/bmw-m4-csl-2022-review.


Thinks M2 CS and M5 CS were better -

Reviews would have been more positive if it had a different name. the CSL badged set expectations far too high e.g "holy grail M car".

I hope BMW learns from this and is careful about the use of the CSL on the new M3 or the purported EUR 750k 3.0 CSL Hommage.

 

[martinbo]

Thinks M2 CS and M5 CS were better.

It's perplexing don't you think? They have a car like the M5 CS - a big ol' 4 door saloon with a big V8 engine - and they fine-tuned that to what's supposedly close to perfection.
What then would be so hard about doing the same for the CSL? Confusing.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It's perplexing don't you think? They have a car like the M5 CS - a big ol' 4 door saloon with a big V8 engine - and they fine-tuned that to what's supposedly close to perfection.
What then would be so hard about doing the same for the CSL? Confusing.

The power is too much for RWD only. The heavy weight requires this power but it can not compensate for the shitty traction from standstill. And yes, with Porsche the things are much better due to the weight distribution

 

[martinbo]

The power is too much for RWD only. The heavy weight requires this power but it can not compensate for the shitty traction from standstill. And yes, with Porsche the things are much better due to the weight distribution

I’m more referring to the article by EVO who are less fixated with off the line drag races.

 

[Sunny]

It's perplexing don't you think? They have a car like the M5 CS - a big ol' 4 door saloon with a big V8 engine - and they fine-tuned that to what's supposedly close to perfection.
What then would be so hard about doing the same for the CSL? Confusing.

My speculation - I think they went hardcore on the car probably trying to matchup closer with Porsche on the track, but given the platform's more humble beginnings and compromised parts that was never gonna happen and they ended up compromising the car on the road too.

You sort of see that with E92 GTS too, E92 M3 was an awesome sports coupe on it's own right. But the GTS from all accounts was a mediocre wannabe GT3.

 

[Merc1]

Frozen Orange

Unreal that we won’t get this car. Just stunning. Wow.

M

 

[rollo]

Always got a soft spot for Macau Blue personally, especially if you don't want to be too flashy.

I have not seen Macao Blue in person although in videos and images on-line it looks intriguing. I get a classy, understated vibe from it. To those who have seen this color in the flesh, my only concern is that it may have too much of a purple hue in it? My other thought is Hera Blue Mica potentially.

Comments and what wheels and interior would you spec with both options?

 

[Matski]

I have not seen Macao Blue in person although in videos and images on-line it looks intriguing. I get a classy, understated vibe from it. To those who have seen this color in the flesh, my only concern is that it may have too much of a purple hue in it? My other thought is Hera Blue Mica potentially.

Comments and what wheels and interior would you spec with both options?

Hera Blue definitely looks 'bluer'

..

It's the slight purple tint to Macau blue that I like*... that and it's "heritage".

* granted, I seem to be missing a good chunk of cone cells in my eyes though.

 

[Frankie G]

What then would be so hard about doing the same for the CSL? Confusing.

You almost get the feeling the two cars were developed by totally different people in different departments.

But the GTS from all accounts was a mediocre wannabe GT3.

I had the pleasure of riding shotgun in an E92 GTS about a decade ago and boy was it something! I've never driven or been driven in any previous GT3 but I feel for that time and era, the GTS matched it's brief rather well. I never once thought to myself that is was trying to be something it wasn't. From what I've read and watched thus far, I'd go as far as saying it still feels even more special than this CSL.

For me, the F82 GTS is where they seemed to try a little too hard with unnecessary inclusions like water-injection to extract more power in an effort to compensate for other shortcomings. It never felt special enough and more often than not, that had a lot to do with the powertrain.

 

[rollo]

Changed my 2023 G82 comp order to Macao Blue today over silverstone/black full merino leather, 826 bi-color wheels with black calipers. I also learned that the new dash/screen will not be on the G82 this year, thank God!

Thanks for the suggestions @Matski!