iX [Official] BMW iX (i20) [2021-

[leylandi]

Everyone praises BMW about EVs, but they don't talk about Mercedes' plans. They are currently busy developing 3 different EV platforms. We will see cars with these three platforms on the roads in the next 2 years. Don't you think it's a more aggressive plan than the neue klasse?

 

[leylandi]

But selling ICE and EVs in parallel doesn't necessarily mean they will be on the same platform, which I think was the point @leylandi was making.

Having said that, BMW is making the right moves by making NK a dedicated EV platform and given NK based vehicles will be the volume sellers. While Mercedes is doing the opposite making the MMA platform shared platform for both ICEVs and BEVs.

Mercedes will not produce EVs with combustion platforms. (MMA is an EV platform that can integrate a combustion engine) Cars that will be sold together with combustion cars, but all have an EV platform. The car that will replace the GLE will be an EV only. From now on, every new car will have an EV platform. That's why the lifespan of existing models is being extended. @bmwblog

 

[Sunny]

Mercedes will not produce EVs with combustion platforms. (MMA is an EV platform that can integrate a combustion engine)

WTF. An "EV platform that can integrate a combustion engine", is not a dedicated EV platform. It is a shared platform.

They are currently busy developing 3 different EV platforms

Exactly why I think they are f#cking lost. Get 1 right first.

 

[leylandi]

WTF. An "EV platform that can integrate a combustion engine", is not a dedicated EV platform. It is a shared platform.

The Stellantis STLA platform is also like this. It is actually an EV platform. It is designed to accommodate a small combustion engine.

Stellantis Reveals STLA Medium Platform Designed to Electrify the Heart of the Global Market with Future-Proof Customer Innovations

STLA Medium is designed to meet customer expectations on what matters most to them: Best-in-class range of more than 700

www.stellantis.com

The "electric first" platform, which can also accept internal-combustion engines, will debut a new generation of technology and set the standard for future Mercedes architectures to come, CEO Ola Kallenius said.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/mercedes-debut-ev-focused-mma-platform-entry-luxury-models-2024

 

[Sunny]

The Stellantis STLA platform is also like this. It is actually an EV platform. It is designed to accommodate a small combustion engine.

Yes, Stellantis, the leader of EVs? They are probably doing it churn out mediocre vehicles for a gazzilion brands as cheap as possible. Great example for Mercedes to follow!

If it is designed to accommodate a small combustion engine, it will have compromises. It is as stupid as making a digital camera that can accommodate film.

 

[SKY]

Everyone praises BMW about EVs, but they don't talk about Mercedes' plans. They are currently busy developing 3 different EV platforms. We will see cars with these three platforms on the roads in the next 2 years. Don't you think it's a more aggressive plan than the neue klasse?

I believe it is quite clear no one shares your enthusiast for MB nowadays. It is a brand that is not only lost in terms of design, it is also at its lowest point in terms of the quality of its cars, and way behind with its EV strategy, with cars that are both fugly and mediocre from a technical point of view.

So of course people is not talking about MB right now.

 

[leylandi]

Yes, Stellantis, the leader of EVs? They are probably doing it churn out mediocre vehicles for a gazzilion brands as cheap as possible. Great example for Mercedes to follow!

If it is designed to accommodate a small combustion engine, it will have compromises. It is as stupid as making a digital camera that can accommodate film.

Who said Mercedes was following him? just an example

 

[dalab]

It was said that it would be the technology flagship and revolutionize it. It actually turned out to be an ordinary electric SUV. There is no innovation it brings.

Go to the previous pages of this thread, the tests and opinions are posted there, it is the best current EV SUV according to everyone, and four years after its presentation it is still that way, does that seem little to you?

 

[martinbo]

Who said Mercedes was following him? just an example

No one said it except you who chose to draw parallels by bringing up Stellantis.

 

[leylandi]

It's your assumption. The MMA platform was announced before the STLA. If there is a pursuit (of course there isn't) it can't be Mercedes doing this. Unnecessary discussion.

 

[klier]

It is as stupid as making a digital camera that can accommodate film.

That's a nice one my man!
Difference wouild be that a camera doesn't get you stuck when unable to get fuel. But yeah, that's just nitpicking on my part of course. For the rest a camera works in the same fashion as the second most expensive thing a person will buy in his life.

 

[Giannis]

Don't even bother. His momma is about to make some hot milk and it's almost bedtime.

Your mother warms my bed

@klier
@leylandi

Please be respectful to each other and stop this nonsense. Let's keep the discussion civil and free of insults.

 

[leylandi]

He is an expert at insulting. This mad dog needs to be tranquilized.

 

[Serpens]

@leylandi don’t get yourself banned. Mercedes isn’t wining the EV war right now it must be admitted. The MMA and MB.EA platforms will bring more conventional vehicle shapes, in house tech, and competitiveness. But that’s not for this iX thread.

 

[bmwblog]

But selling ICE and EVs in parallel doesn't necessarily mean they will be on the same platform, which I think was the point @leylandi was making.

Having said that, BMW is making the right moves by making NK a dedicated EV platform and given NK based vehicles will be the volume sellers. While Mercedes is doing the opposite making the MMA platform shared platform for both ICEVs and BEVs.


That makes it sound like Mercedes is some kind of leader when it comes to EVs. They are as lost a kite in a storm.

Well, he's wrong. The G65 X5 and iX5 are on the same platform. Same as G67 X7, iX7

 

[leylandi]

Well, he's wrong. The G65 X5 and iX5 are on the same platform. Same as G67 X7, iX7

*Mercedes

 

[Sunny]

Difference wouild be that a camera doesn't get you stuck when unable to get fuel.

I knew the camera analogy would get you going.

But just to be clear, a BEV made on a platform that can also be used for a ICEV does't get you unstuck if you are "unable to get fuel". It is still a BEV, just a compromised one, because the company wanted to save some money.

 

[klier]

I knew the camera analogy would get you going.

Gotta say it again, I liked this version. Keep it up.

 

[Sunny]

It's your assumption. The MMA platform was announced before the STLA. If there is a pursuit (of course there isn't) it can't be Mercedes doing this. Unnecessary discussion.

Ha, you do realize that you are arguing that Mercedes came up with a stupid idea first!

 

[Gianclaudio]

I knew the camera analogy would get you going.

Actually, an excellent analogy for shared platforms. Not talking about Kodak refusing to go digital, but companies like Pentax and Nikon making cameras for many years using the inherited "platform" (reflex-DSRL) while Sony and Fuji went many years ago with blank sheet design (mirrorless) specific for digital cameras, and have been killing it ever since.

Today, Pentax is a tiny, vanity project of the Ricoh company and Nikon has been struggling for many years and losing market share at huge steps.