M3/M4 [Official] 2021 BMW M3 and M4 [G80 & G82]

[klier]

I don't think you are in any position to "mock" an actual racing driver, and one of the few people on here who can back up their opinions with real world experience.

Oh really, this again. AdvEvo starts the same crap as usual. Opinions are like assholes, as you know. It remains just that.
So while I agree Dalab's opinion is omnipresent, I don't think you're in a position to yet again tell others what to do.

The amount of negativity towards this CSL is simply hilarious. The same internet warriors again telling why the weight is too high, the tires too extreme, driver too good, track times too slow.....f'ing LOL.

Don’t you guys think it is bit overdone to bring a 165.000 tracktoy which is not ensured on track. Most of these cars will become garage queens to look at. Which guy buy’s one and do a 7.20 on Nurburgring with it.

let BMW build a 300Hp 1250 Kg car for money you can use on track and take the risks with it.

lol deja vu

It'll be a mighty fine garage queen indeed, because it looks just superb. You already have 20 track toys, so don't lose any sleep over this car. They are going to only make 1000 and they will be sold out tomorrow.

As if 165k is expensive for such a car. The ones who are going to actually get their hands on one will think it's a f'ing bargain. We pay more for a regular nicely specced M4 here in our country as you full well know.

 

[klier]

All these can be DIY on every M4.(provided it is equiped with the CF brakes)

The car will be much more than the sum of its parts obviously. Just like the M5 CS.

 

[manuelf]

Nice car. Laptime 5s slower than I guessed it. Would like to hear, what Weidinger personally thinks of the time/conditions. What is weird: If you listen to Weidingers audio during the lap, in the beginning he mentions, that tyres aren't yet in their temp window. Really? For a best lap trial? If this lap took place at the time Micha Charoudin was reporting it (guessing lap time) then it was end of march/start of April? Curious about CG time then...

 

[advantage20]

The hood indentations make more sense now in retrospect

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Of course it was with the most exteme road legal tires. Expect a much slower time, when it is not driven by a factory driver. CG most probably will do 5-6 sec slower.

The laptime is not impressive at all, that is why I was wondering if it could really be with the supertyre Cup 2 R.
Based on earlier supertests, CG will probably use aprox 7:25, 7:20 if he has a good day. He lapped 7:31 with the normal M4 Comp on normal Cup 2 tyres. So the CSL is really only 5-10 sec faster?! It has Cup 2 R tyres, +40 ps, 100 kg lighter, better handling/aero set up, and only 5-10 sec faster…?

 

[bmwz4coupe]

its 1625 kg tho

1651 is official kerb weight in USA
1625 is official DIN weight with 90% tank in Europe

 

[AdvEvo]

what time does a GT4RS on Nring do and with what tires?

Just googled it

7.09.03 with cup R tires

 

[klier]

1625 is official DIN weight with 90% tank in Europe

Isn't it without 90% tank for DIN? I am getting old, haven't done this in a while since all cars are fatties these days. I don't care about 2000 kg or 2200 kg. But I do care about 1600 vs 1700 kg.

 

[mac1]

Website like BMW Blog start comparing this to 911 GT3 , and its not even close to Porsche here is why :

Weight = Porsche 911 GT3 1450kg - BMW M4 CSL 1650 KG
0-60 Porsche 3.2 - BMW M4 CSL 3.7
Nurburgring lap time = Porsche 911 GT3 6:59:93 - BMW M4 CSL 7:20:207
Power to weight = Porsche
N/A engine = Porsche
Exhaust sound = Porsche
Manual or Automatic = Porsche
9000 Rpm (motorsport engine) directly from 911 RSR

Durability = Porsche offer International warranty to 15 years in Euro countries - 10 years worldwide and Porsche known for build the most durable cars on the world

Porsche build 911 as a real sport car , if you look at the two cars you can see the big different Porsche is a pure sport car , BMW is not
no matter how much power and body kit you add to it, its just a 3 series

I do not find any advantage that BMW has compared to Porsche except that BMW is limited to 1000, and this did not and will not be a reason to make it better car

A design suitable for young people and fans of the Fast and Furious movie series, and the fact that the car looks very embarrassing and gives a bad impression because the car always gives an impression of the personality of its owner

Its competitor is the C-Class so stop comparing BMW and Mercedes with Porsche, Porsche is the best sports car maker in Germany

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Isn't it without 90% tank for DIN? I am getting old, haven't done this in a while since all cars are fatties these days. I don't care about 2000 kg or 2200 kg. But I do care about 1600 vs 1700 kg.

DIN weight is with 90% tank
EU weight is added 75 kg

 

[klier]

A driver is more like 105 kg these days, but oh well...

 

[Matski]

A design suitable for young people and fans of the Fast and Furious movie series

 

[dalab]

I don't think you are in any position to "mock"

Go tell your fourteen cats where they should shit, don't tell me what to do.

Oh really, this again. AdvEvo starts the same crap as usual. Opinions are like assholes, as you know. It remains just that.
So while I agree Dalab's opinion is omnipresent, I don't think you're in a position to yet again tell others what to do.

The amount of negativity towards this CSL is simply hilarious. The same internet warriors again telling why the weight is too high, the tires too extreme, driver too good, track times too slow.....f'ing LOL.

Better said, omnipotent as the CSL

Good post, it helps to summarize what sometimes seems to be the starting line of the 100 Olympic meters, where many wait for the shot for months to prejudice, wishing it to be ugly, slow, heavy, where it will fail, scrutinizing to speculate how to cast a shadow and just negativize an event that is remarkable until proven otherwise, I appreciate being able to enjoy the launches of other competing brands positively, because that is the salt of this "hobby"

Tell me how old you are without telling me how old you are...

 

[AdvEvo]

Haha it is always a nice laugh.

Enjoy youre CSL. Hope to see you at the Nurburgring.

 

[Big Sam]

Opinions are like assholes, as you know. It remains just that.

Yes, and AdvEvo is one of the few people on here who are in a position to have an opinion.

So while I agree Dalab's opinion is omnipresent, I don't think you're in a position to yet again tell others what to do.

Where did I tell anybody "what to do"?.

@dalab chose to stick his head above the parapet and commented on AdvEvo. He does that all the time to people who say anything negative about a BMW. It's so f***ing tiresome. This is a discussion forum about cars, and AdvEvo's voice is more valid than most people's on here due to his talents and experience. So, give me ten of AdvEvo, please. It's far more interesting than reading dalab getting upset because somebody hurt his feelings by criticising a BMW.

Go tell your fourteen cats where they should shit, don't tell me what to do.

I said you're not in a position to mock AdvEvo. How is that telling you what to do? You're not shy in giving your opinion on other people, but you clearly can't take it when it comes the other way. You're a sensitive soul.

Some people WANT to hear the thoughts of people like him because he's one of the few people on here who have ACTUAL experince of the cars that get discussed, and he's not sat in his bedroom somewhere living a fantasy.

You clearly get upset whenever you read something negative about a BMW. Maybe forums are not for you? I don't know why you'd put yourself through that stress on a daily basis.

I'm picking my new M3 up in four days. When I post my thoughts on it I'll be sure to warn you first if there is anything negative.

 

[Big Sam]

A driver is more like 105 kg these days, but oh well...

It's especially ridiculous when you realise the 75 kg is actually made up of 68 kg for the driver, and 7 kg for the luggage.

 

[Jacke]

You meant a 4 series?

no matter how much power and body kit you add to it, its just a 3 series

 

[klier]

Yes, and AdvEvo is one of the few people on here who are in a position to have an opinion.

I beg to differ, saying person X voice is more valid than person X on a f#cking car forum is just insane to me. If we were on a forum about brain surgery you might have a slight point, but we are not. Dalab is maybe a more professional race driver than AdvEvo is, and has raced some serious cars too. And even then it doesn't even matter. You agree with AdvEvo's elitist view, fine. Good for you. And we all know because AdvEvo is on repeat since 2015 and you agree with everything he says.

Haha it is always a nice laugh.

Enjoy youre CSL. Hope to see you at the Nurburgring.

Yeah I hope so too. Would be great to see you there, I'll be going to the 24 hours later this month, how about you? And which of your 25 cars are you taking?

 

[Big Sam]

I beg to differ, saying person X voice is more valid than person X on a f#cking car forum is just insane to me.

There are people on this forum who post their opinions relentlessly without seemingly having any *actual* experience of their own. Their opinions are cherry-picked from reviews that tell them what they want to hear. Their opinions are less valid than someone who have their own FIRST HAND experience.

Dalab is maybe a more professional race driver than AdvEvo is, and has raced some serious cars too.

He might be, but nobody is telling him not to post his experience, whereas AdvEvo is being mocked because he happens to be saying something dalab doesn't want to hear.

And even then it doesn't even matter. You agree with AdvEvo's elitist view, fine. Good for you. And we all know because AdvEvo is on repeat since 2015 and you agree with everything he says.

It's not about whether I agree with AdvEvo. It's about someone who has actual experience to back up their opinion contributing to the forum and being shouted down by someone who clearly gets upset every time they hear something negative about a BMW.

 

[dalab]

And which of your 25 cars are you taking?

All of them