M3/M4 [Official] 2021 BMW M3 and M4 [G80 & G82]

[Centurion]

Looks aside, I think we will be pleasantly surprised after mountains of armchair negativity and crap from people who can't afford one anyways.

With the new M4 it's less about affordability and more about whether you can stomach the depreciation.

I have received finance quote for an M4 this week. With the carbon pack it's £80k with a guaranteed future value of £29k after 48 months with an average of 8k Miles per year. That's Porsche 991 money but with the depreciation of a 218d Active Tourer.

The resale value of the car will also be affected by the arrival of an M2 with the same engine but a more nimble chassis.

YouTube influencers will get to drive one for little money. BMW have an ambassador program that grants youtube influencers a 6-12 month lease for something like an M4 for just £600 with no deposit versus £1,050/month over 4 years for the average Joe.

Hence why Schmee and Archie Hamilton got an M8 Competition at the same time. Both will replace it with an M3/M4 in the next few weeks.

This is my favorite spec so far. The interior pops against the all black interior. I hope that the car on seats are comfortable because they look utterly stunning.

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[Matski]

I have received finance quote for an M4 this week.

Is it something you're considering?

 

[Levi68]

Looks aside, I think we will be pleasantly surprised after mountains of armchair negativity and crap from people who can't afford one anyways.

negativity with regards to what and surprised about what?

in now way will there be anything surprising, it will again be objectively the best M3/M4 ever in the driving department. and that is it. while marketing sells "driving", and it is a priority for a few like you, most will care about badge and infotainment. here as well most will be content.

but desirability of this car is totally subjective. who cares if I one of all the planet does not desire despite its objective qualities?

you are taking all this "negativity" way too seriously, and no "proof" will ever change anyones subjective opinion. luckily having a different opinion does not hurt anyone in this case.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

One of these cars is arguably one of the most beautiful coupé M cars ever made. The other is arguably one of the least beautiful.

It's a BMW M3/4.....EVERYTHING about them is arguable.

 

[PanterroR]

New info from ynguldyn regarding M3 Touring:

Update on G81 M3 Touring:

• For the readers outside North America: G81 will start production in November 2022 and have a full run up to the end of production of G21.
• There will be a single model: Competition xDrive.
• As expected, it will be in LCI configuration (for instance, the new i4 widescreen dash will be standard).
• As far as I can see, everything that you can have on a G80, will be available on G81.

 

[Centurion]

Is it something you're considering?

Maybe. I've always been a big fan of the four door M3. I prefer its chunkier rear fenders over the sleekness of the coupe.

Reasons why I fancy a G80 M3:
Proper bucket seats: Huge upgrade over the poor support offered by the seats in the majority of F-Series based bimmers.
M handling: Sublime handling and keeness during swift directional changes.
M sensation: Sharper and more engaging steering, throttle and brake.
S58 engine: Apparently it's a heavenly engine, turbo charged but with progressive torque delivery.


Reasons why I'm hesitant:
Weight and size : Will I have to rag the car in order to feel the power of M? Will it have decent speed sensation below 50mph? The RWD M3 Comp is 250kg heavier than my M140i but is also slightly wider and longer than my G01 X3! It's a big car. Growing weight and size is an endemic issue amongst new performance cars.
Power: 510hp could feel a bit too much if I can't rev it out in 2nd gear without exceeding 50mph and looking like a complete d*ck in an M3.
G22 M2: The next M2 with the S58 will unlikely weigh more than 100kg less but could be more fun to drive because of a smaller body
Depreciation: As previously mentioned, the new M3 is very expensive and will depreciate steeply like any other M car. The Porsche Cayman 4.0 GTS has a similar MRSP after options but will not depreciate £40,000 in the first 24-36 months.

Last week my local dealer took delivery of their M4 demo. I will test drive it at the earliest opportunity which might not be possible until next month because of covid restrictions.

 

[Matski]

Power: 510hp could feel a bit too much if I can't rev it out in 2nd gear without exceeding 50mph and looking like a complete d*ck in an M3.

Might be a problem there...

 

[TopspeedPT]

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[Centurion]

Might be a problem there...

The 718 GT4 has been stung by the press for being wonderful but having gear ratios that are too long for the gearbox and engine to be exploitable on public roads. As your graph suggests the M3/M4 could receive similar feedback.

Because OPF filters and acoustic glass, many recent bimmers are quiet unless you accelerate hard above 4k RPM. Ferraris and Lambos don't have this problem as they are visceral and aural regardless of speed. So far I have only seen first drives of non-OPF US M4 G80. It will be interesting to hear the euro spec ones and whether the OEM titanium or after market exhausts are a must.

For point of reference. My ZF8 M140i red lines in 2nd gear at roughly 42mph and on motorway slip roads I can also redline 3rd gear without hitting triple digits. This is one of the reasons why I haven't done cheeky stage 1 tune yet as it could make the car a bit too fast to spank on non-motorway roads.

This is pretty much what my car sounds like as you can see, the guy is receiving great audible feedback while redlining but without reaching stupid speeds.

In the video below, the guy is revving the car hard and getting great acoustics while driving at legal speed limits.

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[manuelf]

Reasons why I'm hesitant:
Weight and size : Will I have to rag the car in order to feel the power of M? Will it have decent speed sensation below 50mph? The RWD M3 Comp is 250kg heavier than my M140i but is also slightly wider and longer than my G01 X3! It's a big car. Growing weight and size is an endemic issue amongst new performance cars.
Power: 510hp could feel a bit too much if I can't rev it out in 2nd gear without exceeding 50mph and looking like a complete d*ck in an M3.
G22 M2: The next M2 with the S58 will unlikely weigh more than 100kg less but could be more fun to drive because of a smaller body
Depreciation: As previously mentioned, the new M3 is very expensive and will depreciate steeply like any other M car. The Porsche Cayman 4.0 GTS has a similar MRSP after options but will not depreciate £40,000 in the first 24-36 months.

I follow you regarding size. Dimensions of the G8x have grown significantly
Don't overestimate the weight. According to the M video with the G8x on the scales, it is save to say, that a RWD G8x with the ZF8 will come in at roughly a bit over 1700kg (no driver, full tank). A F2x M140i RWD with the ZF8 is approx. 1550kg! So I think the weight diff is around 170kg.
Taking into account a chassis/suspension tech and track width, which is miles apart from a M140i, I would guess: It won't be the weight, which you feel/which bothers you, but the size! It could feel less nimble than your F2x!

The power topic you mentioned is indeed interessting! Me having the Autobahn and even B-Roads, where I'm easily doing 130km/h never thought about this aspect as wringing out my F82 competition is never a problem ...

The upcoming M2 will feel definitly more nimble. Even if it is - like you said - only marginaly lighter! In the past the main complaint I had with the M2 compared with the M3/4 was the much lesser quality and missing features like HUD or full leather! If this gets fixed with the next M2 I also see it as a viable alternative!

The deprecation topic has two sides (my experience from two M cars):
You get the M relatively cheap, if you compare with Porsche! I just can talk about German situation:
A M3 can be bought easily for 15% under sticker, if you don't have to be the first one to have a G8x.
With good connections to dealer and in the 2nd or 3rd year 20% is also no problem!
And deprecation curves for ///M vehicles are very different compared to other BMW First 2/3 years are much steeper, but then it flattens! Well serviced M vehicles after 6 years have percentage wise a better deprecation than any vanilla non ///M BMW.
I'll give you examples: I bought a M3E92 Comp. 14 months old for 60% of the new price.
After driving it for 5 years 60000km, I sold it for 35% of new price! A bargain!
The F82 Comp. I bought new for 78% of sticker! I'm confident, that after 6 years of ownership I can sell it for more than 40% of its new price!
So over a longer ownership M cars don't burn money!
Now compare this to Porsche (I've done this many times): I would at least need a Carrera S (to somewhat have comparable power e.g. on the Autobahn).
A Carrera S costs me 60% more than a M4 Comp!!! A combination of insane high prices and ludicrously small discounts you get with Porsche! So for how many decades shall I drive the 911 so that its lower deprecation saves me??? And by the way ... the super low deprecation on newer 911 generations isn't simply there anymore!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

This is one of the reasons why I haven't done cheeky stage 1 tune yet as it could make the car a bit too fast to spank on non-motorway roads.

Speed in gears depends only on the gear ratios and rpms. Tuned power (except when the max rpm are also increased but this is extremely seldom) does not change the maximum speed in gears, because tuners play mostly with intake air pressure and temperature and pressure of fuel injection and fuel supply.

 

[Centurion]

Taking into account a chassis/suspension tech and track width, which is miles apart from a M140i, I would guess: It won't be the weight, which you feel/which bothers you, but the size! It could feel less nimble than your F2x!

Modern cars can we good at disguising weight. It's not so much about how much a car feels but how it carrier or transfer it in during cornering.

Parking and roads in England can be tight. Therefore, as you said, I am likely to feel the size more than the weight.

I follow you regarding size. Dimensions of the G8x have grown significantly
Don't overestimate the weight. According to the M video with the G8x on the scales, it is save to say, that a RWD G8x with the ZF8 will come in at roughly a bit over 1700kg (no driver, full tank). A F2x M140i RWD with the ZF8 is approx. 1550kg! So I think the weight diff is around 170kg.
Taking into account a chassis/suspension tech and track width, which is miles apart from a M140i, I would guess: It won't be the weight, which you feel/which bothers you, but the size! It could feel less nimble than your F2x!
The deprecation topic has two sides (my experience from two M cars):
You get the M relatively cheap, if you compare with Porsche! I just can talk about German situation:
A M3 can be bought easily for 15% under sticker, if you don't have to be the first one to have a G8x.
With good connections to dealer and in the 2nd or 3rd year 20% is also no problem!
And deprecation curves for ///M vehicles are very different compared to other BMW First 2/3 years are much steeper, but then it flattens! Well serviced M vehicles after 6 years have percentage wise a better deprecation than any vanilla non ///M BMW.
I'll give you examples: I bought a M3E92 Comp. 14 months old for 60% of the new price.
After driving it for 5 years 60000km, I sold it for 35% of new price! A bargain!
The F82 Comp. I bought new for 78% of sticker! I'm confident, that after 6 years of ownership I can sell it for more than 40% of its new price!
So over a longer ownership M cars don't burn money!
Now compare this to Porsche (I've done this many times): I would at least need a Carrera S (to somewhat have comparable power e.g. on the Autobahn).
A Carrera S costs me 60% more than a M4 Comp!!! A combination of insane high prices and ludicrously small discounts you get with Porsche! So for how many decades shall I drive the 911 so that its lower deprecation saves me??? And by the way ... the super low deprecation on newer 911 generations isn't simply there anymore!

With M cars timing of purchase can make or break the numbers. If you are lucky, your purschase coincide with a month/quarter when BMW offer 0% finance or a big 20-25% discount.

Sometimes the Guaranteed future value is overly cautious and the depreciation could be less severe if your mileage is sensible. Because of their demand the M2 and M3/M4 retain their value better than the M5/M8.

Although the RWD G80/G82 will grip have good traction because of MPS4 tyres instead of MPSS, the version that would appeal to me most is ZF8 AWD.

It will be interesting to drive the RWD and AWD variants back go back. If I remember correctly BMW have developed a solution for minimising the impact the AWD has on steering in M cars.

 

[dalab]

Good gallery, pure racing

G82 BMW M4 gets Motorsport livery and M Performance Parts

Today, we have a new set of images portraying the G82 M4 with a Motorsport livery and the entire suite of M Performance Parts.

www.bmwblog.com

 

[manuelf]

Apart from wheels, the M Performance program of the G8x, is too much over the top. The G8x is already a very expressive car!
The winglets and the exhaust are almost hilarious. The wing was alread meh with the F8x. Pics look like the height adjustable springs are not fitted to this car - could need slightly more drop and the wheels also need more offset/spacers ...
If I ever decide for the G8x ... I would do it like I did with my F82: Skip M Performance parts and rather take selected parts of the CS model

By the way - even this bold Manhart G8x looks tame and more balanced than the M Performance show car:

 

[dalab]

There we just have the competitor of the Porsche sport / cross turismo, not bad at all

Reinkarnation für das Z3 Coupé: BMW M4 Shooting Brake

Wer ein Herz für außergewöhnliche Automobile hat, wünscht sich heute hin und wieder jenen Mut zurück, der in den 1990er-Jahren zur Entscheidung für das

www.bimmertoday.de

 

[Levi68]

 

[SCOTT27]

Great another “Shooting Brake” render.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

There we just have the competitor of the Porsche sport / cross turismo, not bad at all

Reinkarnation für das Z3 Coupé: BMW M4 Shooting Brake

Wer ein Herz für außergewöhnliche Automobile hat, wünscht sich heute hin und wieder jenen Mut zurück, der in den 1990er-Jahren zur Entscheidung für das

www.bimmertoday.de

Looks like a two-door X1...

 

[SCOTT27]

Oscar Pistorius has a better chance of contracting athletes foot before we see an M4 Shooting Brake.
We will still get this though. Which will be more than enough.

 

[klier]

negativity with regards to what and surprised about what?

Negativity about the looks, and surprised about how the car handles and drives.