M3/M4 [Official] 2021 BMW M3 and M4 [G80 & G82]

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Mods, we need a M3 or M4 poll. My vote is for the M4.

 

[Rolf]

The M4 doesnt look aggressive enough like the older models. It has no flared wheelarches and the shape of the tail lights looks crap, too thin. The M3 is the one to go for, it has a wonderful typical M3 squat, muscular appearance especially from the back it looks fantastic and shames the drab M4.

 

[manuelf]

BMW’s own numbers claim that the new base M4 with manual gear is 203 kg heavier than the 2014 M4 with manual. We will have to wait for the first Independant magazines to put the new M4 on the scales to see how much it will really weigh.

Yep. We have to wait for magazine measurement.
The number which BMW claimed 2014 (1497 kg) was just nonsense. @CrunchSlaughtered gave you a hint. Back then it seemed to be possible to state the weight of a vehicle configuration, that never existed in reality ... maybe times have changed and "creative measurement" isn't allowed anymore after the diesel scandal.

 

[martinbo]

Mods, we need a M3 or M4 poll. My vote is for the M4.

Poll added!

 

[martinbo]

M3 all the way...

 

[LaArtist]

M3 atleast it looks like a bmw from the rear and the side, the 4 is a lost cause

 

[Mii]

G80 M3 Competition Grey Color

Source: g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1761626

 

[SCOTT27]

Poll added!

I can see this poll really take off...

 

[Merc1]

So that is the best I've seen it look so far. The grille nearly almost works, almost.


M

 

[dalab]

This real photo in the wild shows that the integration in this one has nothing to envy to the that in the normal 3 series.
It still seems like a great achievement to me the same car with two grills so opposite looks so good in both cases, but the M kills me with pleasure

 

[Centurion]

I would like to see it with colour coded shirts and edges of the front bumper.

 

[MrRapp]

Love that grey colour! It is mentioned as Brooklyn grey but has a different shade in the configurator so was wondering if it’s not the other new metallic grey for G** (forgot the name)

 

[klier]

Agreed. With a simple tune, one can get 500 bhp rather easily.

Sure, but it will kill the engine at some point.
Better just get the B3, because it has the actual S engine instead of the B engine.

Completely forgot these cars were debuting at Auto China today for their World Premiere. I turned down the trip to China.

These Chinese f'ing ruined the entire world and are now having car shows and stuff like nothing happened. Absolutely incredible!
Accountability I demand it.

 

[David Brent]

A G8x RWD can be brought down to 1700kg if you chose the track pack (carbon seats and CCBs) and be sensible on other addons.

But if the F80/F82 wasn't weighed with carbon seats, and it wasn't, then you shouldn't be comparing it with the G80/G82 with carbon seats.

Love that grey colour! It is mentioned as Brooklyn grey but has a different shade in the configurator so was wondering if it’s not the other new metallic grey for G** (forgot the name)

It's Brooklyn Grey (with the Orbit Grey alloys). The configurator is often nothing like a realistic representation of the real world colour.

These Chinese f'ing ruined the entire world and are now having car shows and stuff like nothing happened. Absolutely incredible!

Not that this is the correct place to discuss it, but that's what happens when you react to the virus correctly. Ask Japan, South Korea and New Zealand.

 

[Zafiro]

M3 for me, the name alone is more powerful than the M4

 

[David Brent]

M3 for me, the name alone is more powerful than the M4

Because that's what matters.

 

[manuelf]

But if the F80/F82 wasn't weighed with carbon seats, and it wasn't, then you shouldn't be comparing it with the G80/G82 with carbon seats.

Why? Depends on WHAT you want to compare!
You could as well say: "You should not compare a F8x with just 450hp with a G8x with 510hp"

The thing is simple:
People, who were concerned about weight/performance in the F8x era, did chose F8x Competition Pack (contains slightly lighter seats) with carbon roof, CCBs and maybe even the optional 19 inch cast wheels instead of the heavier 20 inch. And voila, you had a final (optimized) weight.
People, who are concerned about weight/performance in the G8x era, are going to chose Competition model with carbon roof and Track pack (contains CCB and lighter seats).

 

[dalab]

Ask Japan, South Korea and New Zealand.

I can add Uruguay, much better than all of them, but it does not seem to me that he is referring to that, but to the responsibility related to the disaster

M3 for me, the name alone is more powerful than the M4

I couldn't get over that fact ever

 

[David Brent]

Why? Depends on WHAT you want to compare!

The conversation is about weight gain between the G80/82 and F80/82. The accurate way is to compare standard model with standard model. No, it will not be entirely scientific either, but it's a lot more scientific than adding expensive options to the G80 to reduce the weight in order for it to look less heavy.

I don't have an agenda. I don't care either way. But saying the G80/G82 isn't that much heavier than the F80/F82 because you can spend €10,000 on carbon is ridiculous. By that reckoning you could argue you could spend the same amount on the F80/F82 and reduce the weight further on that.

 

[manuelf]

No, it will not be entirely scientific either, but it's a lot more scientific than adding expensive options to the G80 to reduce the weight in order for it to look less heavy.

Ok. I get your point somewhat ... like you said: Comparing base model to base model is as scientific as we can get here. I give you that.
That could have meant (in case G8x would have been avail only with ZF8), that we are then really comparing apples to oranges.
Which we do anyhow! We compare a bigger car with a smaller one ... some people are comparing original F8x data (without OPF stuff) with G8x data (with OPF) ... and so on.

Finally (for me) it boils down to roughly two questions:
- can we deduce from the weight AND taking into account the additional features of the G8x (more space, much stiffer), whether BMW was "lazy" or not regarding weight management?
- does you as a driver really feel the added weight?

Regarding 1) - I have NO clue!
Regarding 2) - not any tester of the pre-drive event mentioned, that the G8x feels heavier than the F8x, which they drove right before.
I personally do have an expectation: The added size will bother me! The added weight in an again stiffer body with wider track and with new genration of suspension technology, I will not feel. Let's see how it turns out