XJ [Official] 2014 Jaguar XJR

[Kilcrohane]

None of your five posts in this 2014 XJR thread have been on-topic (or even particularly relevant), although you do deserve credit for at least realizing as much. Recognition, as they say, is the first step towards recovery.



Lying about what, exactly? You do realize that ZF is supplying the 9-Speed, the ZF9HP, for both the Evoque and the Cherokee, right? It is the same transmission. Neither the ZF nor the JLR press releases (see below) make an attempt to disguise the supplier relationship.

http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/prod..._transmission/9hp_automatic_transmission.html
http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com...s/2013/02/rr_rre_9-speed_transmission_270213/
http://www.freep.com/article/20130804/COL14/308040043/phelan-chrysler-range-rover-zf

No, they lied and deliberately misled people into thinking Land Rover would the first maker in the world with a 9-speed auto box, and that it would be the Evoque that was the first vehicle to have it, on general sale in the marketplace:

http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com...arketLanguageNodeId=1275&brandId=2827&locus=5

'Land Rover To Demonstrate Latest Technical Innovation With The World's First 9-Speed Automatic Transmission'

They lied and misled on all counts. They were not the sole, preferred development partner with the gearbox maker and actual innovator, ZF, but one of a now known at least two, with Fiat-Jeep-Chrysler.

The Evoque will NOT be the world's first saleable vehicle with the ZF 9-speed auto. That honour goes to the Jeep Cherokee.

Also, not only was Land Rover not the sole development partner of ZF on the new box, unlike Jeep-Chrysler they will take no part in its manufacture, whereas Jeep-Chrysler will do/already has started doing, at its own transmission plant.

For Land Rover to crow over it and its Evoque being world firsts, with regard to ZF's new 9-speed, was deliberate deception. They have been hoist by their own petard, as even with delays Chrysler has managed to get journalist drivable first production ready units available - witness the first drives conducted last weekend in Moab, Utah, and that first deliveries to customers will take place next month, as promised by Jeep.

All in all, just another shameful episode in JLR's now storied litany of lying and deception, with weights, lightweight, new engines, new technologies, promised new products just cynical vapourware, etc. etc. etc..

 

[Sovereign]

2014 Jaguar XJR looks as usual as the 2013 Jaguar XJ. I wish they would fix the rear end but its the same case as the Mercedes revised E class...The rear end is the weakness and nothing is done there to fix it. Although it looks good in Black.

I wonder what happened to the Jaguar XJ Sovereign name. The 1970s and the 1980s XJ Sovereign was one of the finest 4 door designs and hence my inspiration for the call sign on this forum.... and yes from a British car. The best designs of Jaguar are from the era when Jaguar was owned wholly by the British and the worst are from the Ford era. Weather Jaguar is British or not anymore is a difficult question. Is today's Bugatti French since it is made in France. I think it all depends upon where the key decisions are being made for the company and where the key components are coming from. Same applies to Bentley and Rolls Royce also.Nationalities for such marques imo are quite vague.

I have felt more than few times reading the British magazines or listening to Top Gear experts that they are quite favorable to brands from "their" country even they are owned by the foreign companies. Same is with the American press but imo they are a bit less "patriotic" to their own brands compared to the British press. Since I cant understand German or Japanese, could somebody clarify if their press is totally rational when talking or comparing brands from their country? .

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Where does it say the Evoque will be the World's first saleable vehicle with this gearbox?

They say the Evoque will have the World's first 9-speed gearbox. Which it will.


Where do they say they're the SOLE partner?

They say they're the LEAD partner.

 

[Deckhook]

Agent K, have you any idea the kind of discounts being offered by Merc, Audi and BMW at the moment. In the UK it's insane on their heavy metal to the point where you can get so-called demo cars which are meant to be held for 3 months but sold after 10 days at 35% off, I deal with a guy who got this very deal on the new 6GT.

It's a buyers market if you have nothing to trade and this goes for all not just JLR.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

A friend just got £15,000 off a CLS Shooting Brake in the UK.

 

[Monster]

Ok Kilcrohane, you have had your say, time to bring this back on topic. I suggest you should start your own thread and keep all your post in one place.

 

[Smithee]

I'll take that as a compliment.



- there is no 'British car industry' - which was rather the whole point of 'Das Auto'.

There was nothing new in that programme whatsoever. It was done in the mid 90s, when BMW bought Rover, rather better in fact. The reason the BBC showed it all was just to serve as a counterweight to (valid) accusations of blatant pandering to commercial interests, with the shown before hour long advert for JLR on Top Gear. Even the BBC probably thought Clarkson's greed for the shekel/rupee had gone too far, and too obviously, with his blatant advert on the no-adverts BBC, and so what better way to bat off accusations of being in the pocket of a commercial organisation - Tata - than put up some flannel about 'bashing the British motor industry', immediately afterwards. The fact that probably 5m plus viewers watched the Tata advert, and perhaps less than one-third of that watched the near reality of the foreign owned UK car industry afterwards means all the parties involved were happy - Tat(a) got their world ad for the F-type and R/R Sport - crucial with the TG-loving Yanks - the curmudgeonly ones got a stab at the actual reality of the 'successful' UK car industry afterwards, and the BBC could play the impartial umpire and plausibly deny that Clarkson and TG are nothing but commercial whores. Hurrah!

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No, not paranoid, just one of probably only a handful of individuals, in UK certainly, with the ability and courage to say what they see, rather than what they are told to see and say.

 

[martinbo]

Oh man, this place can make me laugh my ass off. Hilarious!

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Isn't Kilochrane a paid consultant who's clients tend to be German? I mean, we are all biased but are his biases more or less self-serving? In many ways as SCOTT27 is to BMW, he is to the entire German industry. He's like one of those guys who puts out extremely skewed rumors as to manipulate and tank a company's stock value.

Now I can't prove any of this as this mere speculation on my part. Except that in one of his earlier posts he did mention he was a consultant for a German automaker.

Well, regarding the XJR...definitely beautiful-looking...it does lithe and taut very well. Interior is getting a bit old in the tooth though. Would I buy? Nah.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Isn't Kilochrane a paid consultant who's clients tend to be German? I mean, we are all biased but are his biases more or less self-serving? In many ways as SCOTT27 is to BMW, he is to the entire German industry. He's like one of those guys who puts out extremely skewed rumors as to manipulate and tank a company's stock value.

Now I can't prove any of this as this mere speculation on my part. Except that in one of his earlier posts he did mention he was a consultant for a German automaker.

Well, regarding the XJR...definitely beautiful-looking...it does lithe and taut very well. Interior is getting a bit old in the tooth though. Would I buy? Nah.

He goes on about "bias" from the UK car mags yet his posts are as biased as Hell!

He's clearly no idiot. Just look at his dexterity with the English language. I think your theory holds some water. From now on I'm going to assume he's a paid "shill" for the German car industry because they're so fearful of JLR's inevitable World dominance.

 

[Sunny]

Isn't Kilochrane a paid consultant who's clients tend to be German? I mean, we are all biased but are his biases more or less self-serving? In many ways as SCOTT27 is to BMW, he is to the entire German industry. He's like one of those guys who puts out extremely skewed rumors as to manipulate and tank a company's stock value.

Now I can't prove any of this as this mere speculation on my part. Except that in one of his earlier posts he did mention he was a consultant for a German automaker.

Well, regarding the XJR...definitely beautiful-looking...it does lithe and taut very well. Interior is getting a bit old in the tooth though. Would I buy? Nah.

Well, if any of this is true, his German paymasters are getting some really shitty ROI. I never cared for Jaguar before this, but I now I want them to succeed just to spite his bigoted ass. And I feel I am not alone in this forum to feel that way. The Germans might want to look into a more subtle, less caustic agent!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I never cared for Jaguar before this, but I now I want them to succeed just to spite his bigoted ass. And I feel I am not alone in this forum to feel that way.

Believe me, you're not. This is how I feel 100%.

 

[Monster]

Lets just move on.

 

[mentir]

Lets just move on.

I feel like something happened after post 16 that totally derailed this thread. I'm not quite sure what it was, but at post 55 it seems like something happened right around post 17.

 

[Sunny]

Haha, someone is probably having multiple orgasms now...

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[Deckhook]

^That looks almost identical to the one I dealt with the other month, never did hear exactly what happen to the car. At least Dick had the good sense to pull over at the first signs of smoke the woman we pulled from the car was still driving it whilst the flames were licking the underneath her C-max.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Haha, someone is probably having multiple orgasms now...

Nothing to see here. Please move along.......

 

[Merc1]

I think at 87 years old he obviously had neglected the car in some way. There had to be a light of some sort on or a gauge in the red before a car overheats like that in my experience with overheating cars in my 20s.

M

 

[SCOTT27]

Dick Van Dyke is a legend ,
Come on have you watched Diagnosis Murder?

 

[ThroughandThrough]

Drive Time review of the new 2014 Jaguar XJR by automotive critic Steve Hammes. MSRP as tested: $120,895.

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