Cayenne Next Generation Porsche Cayenne (spy pics & info)

[HighestOfHigh]

I think the new Cayenne is nice, especially on the inside. Still like the looks of the X5 and M better.

Especially with your M3 comments, dollar for dollar, best car on the planet right now!

LOL

 

[rollo]

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After you get done with your laugh HOH, maybe you could enlighten us with your Socratean wisdom of what vehicle you would annoint as the best vehicle on the planet dollar for dollar?

I'll get my pad and paper ready to take notes, as I am sure your opinion will be of epic importance.

 

[Sunny]

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After you get done with your laugh HOH, maybe you could enlighten us with your Socratean wisdom of what vehicle you would annoint as the best vehicle on the planet dollar for dollar?

I'll get my pad and paper ready to take notes, as I am sure your opinion will be of epic importance.

Oh, I know his answer, black S65 with blacked out windows and 22" diamond studded dubs. Maybe one of those counter rotating rims. .

 

[braaf]

they are incapable of dealing with even the mildest off tar conditions and end up being nothing more than fat, bloated juggernauts

Very nice looking SUV. Well done Porsche. Agree with you Martin, but in BMWs defense they never claimed their X cars to be capable off road.

 

[klier]

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After you get done with your laugh HOH, maybe you could enlighten us with your Socratean wisdom of what vehicle you would annoint as the best vehicle on the planet dollar for dollar?

I'll get my pad and paper ready to take notes, as I am sure your opinion will be of epic importance.

A Nissan GTR for instance, begs to differ with your opinion. But because it's AWD and has a turbo it doesn't count or something?

GTR to M3: "you're f-ing slow and we cost the same"

 

[rollo]

A Nissan GTR for instance, begs to differ with your opinion. But because it's AWD and has a turbo it doesn't count or something?

GTR to M3: "you're f-ing slow and we cost the same"

Excellent point klier but.....not as friendly as a daily driver, no manual transmission, not as fun to drive (admittedly presumptious as I have only driven the M3 coupe) and doesn't come close looks wise. It is also $15K-$20K more expensive in the states.

 

[Sayyaaf]

May I add, the GTR is not as luxurious as the M3, no gadgets no comfortable sporty seats ... plus, the Gearbox whine all the time, the ride is too harsh for everyday ... the list goes on and on.

As for me, I think I'd go with M3, although sometimes I hate those retards who try to race anything on the road where the M3 will fall short, but overall I will be happier with the M3.

 

[klier]

Rurella, yeah, it's a bit more expensive over here too, but a fully loaded M3 probably costs more than a GTR.. And the performance, or bang for the buck, is much better imho.
I've never driven one either, but from what I understand it a blast. And about the looks we can go on forever; I think the M3 looks better too, but others will disagree.

GTR is just an example. No Bimmer gives a good result Dollar for Dollar imo. They're too expensive to being with. You DO pay for the badge.
But's lets give it a rest, LOL! If you share Martin's opinion on the X5 M, we will never agree

Oh and guys, I would have a very hard time choosing between M3 and GTR. It's almost too hard for me.

 

[Sayyaaf]

Drive both and you will easily choose, the GTR is a bullit, but that ends there, the car sucks for DD (For me at least - and we have one of the newest road networks). Seats/Suspension/Gizmos all will push you away from the car. Some trackboys will disagree but I still believe that the GTR has its own fans not a guy looking for the whole package.

 

[klier]

I like bullits But I like the M3 equally

Hmmm. 'Good' I don't have to choose. Or better, it sucks I'm not in a position to choose

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Oh, I know his answer, black S65 with blacked out windows and 22" diamond studded dubs. Maybe one of those counter rotating rims. .

2 Bonus points for you Sunny! Of course the S65 AMG! The rims are already Glorious so I don't need additional rims.

 

[martinbo]

It's all my fault: Mod goes and buggers up a perfectly good thread by getting people to debate the merit of the M3 in a Porsche Cayenne 2 spypics-info thread.

klier, you daft dutchman. What's this tripe that you don't buy into yada yada yada.
I know what I like in cars. I understand what makes them tick. I am able to decide for myself, based on my experience and age, what makes a good vehicle.

The Porsche Cayenne is a great interpretation of what the modern SUV coming out of a premier car maker ought to be. It ticks the boxes. It's a good Porsche. A BMW X5 is a landmark vehicle; BMW brilliantly saw the need for a more dynamic, on-road oriented SUV because most X5s would never even see a dirt road. The BMW X5 is hence an excellent BMW. Heck, even the X6 50i with its psuedo-coupe looks and massive street presence is a good BMW. But BMW never raised the expectation that these were the zenith of BMW's dynamic repetoire. This was reserved for M cars.

BUT, the X5M is not a good M car! It's an aboMination to me. The most powerful, torquey-est M car ever happens to corner the slowest and is the least fun of all its brethren, past and present, to drive. Why? Because underneath it all, it's an SUV that's simply not useful and thus justifiable enough.

That's me, klier. That's my feeling, opinion and appreciation. Please, don't buy into this.

For a truly capable, all-round performance SUV product, folks - watch this space. The winner is just a couple of days away.

 

[klier]

I love you too Martin seriously

To me, the only bad Bimmers in modern history are the E36 3 series Compact, and the Z3. Cheap, cost cutting solutions using old and almost forgotten past-gen tech. For the rest, every BMW is very good in it's segment. A few people telling me they don't like the X5 M (mostly because of a name even!!!) is not going to change that list of two bad Bimmers for me.

And, you need some sort of editorial in a high end English language magazine like Top Gear or Evo. seriously too

 

[Bartek S.]

2011 Porsche Cayenne Diesel Spied Winter Testing

 

[Sunny]

It's all my fault: Mod goes and buggers up a perfectly good thread by getting people to debate the merit of the M3 in a Porsche Cayenne 2 spypics-info thread.

klier, you daft dutchman. What's this tripe that you don't buy into yada yada yada.
I know what I like in cars. I understand what makes them tick. I am able to decide for myself, based on my experience and age, what makes a good vehicle.

The Porsche Cayenne is a great interpretation of what the modern SUV coming out of a premier car maker ought to be. It ticks the boxes. It's a good Porsche. A BMW X5 is a landmark vehicle; BMW brilliantly saw the need for a more dynamic, on-road oriented SUV because most X5s would never even see a dirt road. The BMW X5 is hence an excellent BMW. Heck, even the X6 50i with its psuedo-coupe looks and massive street presence is a good BMW. But BMW never raised the expectation that these were the zenith of BMW's dynamic repetoire. This was reserved for M cars.

BUT, the X5M is not a good M car! It's an aboMination to me. The most powerful, torquey-est M car ever happens to corner the slowest and is the least fun of all its brethren, past and present, to drive. Why? Because underneath it all, it's an SUV that's simply not useful and thus justifiable enough.

That's me, klier. That's my feeling, opinion and appreciation. Please, don't buy into this.

For a truly capable, all-round performance SUV product, folks - watch this space. The winner is just a couple of days away.

So what is your take on Cayenne GTS, Martin? Honest question, not being rhetorical.

 

[Mr Robert]

While Martin gathers his thaughts I would like to say that, to me, the GTS is an oddity. I do not think the Cayenne GTS was intended to lean towards the GT3 and GT2. As far as I know, the badge was last used on the 928 GTS - a V8 powered gran turismo with some sporty ambitions, just like the Cayenne GTS.

 

[Sunny]

While Martin gathers his thaughts I would like to say that, to me, the GTS is an oddity. I do not think the Cayenne GTS was intended to lean towards the GT3 and GT2. As far as I know, the badge was last used on the 928 GTS - a V8 powered gran turismo with some sporty ambitions, just like the Cayenne GTS.

I wasn't asking cause of the badge or how GTS sounds similar to GT3 or GT2. I was asking cause GTS, like the XM twins have sacrificed pretty much any off road capability for better on road handling. But despite that, it's handling is still handicapped by the fact it is a heavy SUV (just like the XMs).

 

[Mr Robert]

I wasn't asking cause of the name. I was asking cause GTS, like the XM twins have sacrificed pretty much any off road capability for better on road handling. But despite that, it's handling is still handicapped by the fact it is a heavy SUV (just like the XMs).

Yeah, I guess one could say that it got stuck in between. I was merely looking for some reference to get a clue as to what Porsche was thinking when building the Cayenne GTS.

 

[Sayyaaf]

Sunny: I think the concept of the GTS is missunderstood. GTS hasn't sacrificed any off roading capability , it still has transfer case and only 10mm lower (which is done by air suspension if that option is checked) compared to the S model, plus some mods to the steering/throttle and revised air intakes and exhaust, adding 20hp over the normal cayenne model which isn't signfiicant IRL at that weight. But some rumors say, that All those systems were already available on the table (used in CTT) so smart move by Porsche for charging premium without the extra effort.

 

[martinbo]

So what is your take on Cayenne GTS, Martin? Honest question, not being rhetorical.

Honestly? I give the car a second glance for on-road presence but nothing more. Most of the GTSs in SA were specced with steel springs if memory serves... this, along with the 20inch wheels, severly hampers dirt road ability.

So it lacks the Utility I find to be a necessary attribute of a decent SUV and thus amounts to nothing more than a curiosity to be quite frank.