E-Class (W212/S212/C207/A207) Mercedes W212 E-Class Facelift: Renders, Spyshots, Etc

[Levi68]

Lol...Your opinion vs. 100 plus years of Mercedes-Benz's experience?

Although you might not like their design direction, it doesn't mean "they" don't know what they are doing.

Only thing you should question is why they ever brought the R-class to the market.

The R Class is a car with a good idea in mind, but it came in the wrong era, it came to early. Now with an established Mercedes B Class, BMW 5 GT, coming BMW 3GT, BMW FAST, Audi A2 and Audi A4 Superavant, the R Class could do well: RWD or AWD, plenty of space but not a SUV, luxurious interior, it would be my choice as a family car, over SUV, sedan, touring and the hybrid 5 GT.

 

[Gianclaudio]

Lol...Your opinion vs. 100 plus years of Mercedes-Benz's experience?

Although you might not like their design direction, it doesn't mean "they" don't know what they are doing.

Only thing you should question is why they ever brought the R-class to the market.

Of course, is my opinion am I could, and even more possible I can or must be wrong.... but to validate your argument by saying they have 100+ years of experience and "must be right" is just plain stupid. Even very old, established companies lose the plot. And if you look at the actual Daimler versus 20 or 30 years earlier you can clearly see they're not the undisputed leaders they used to be, in sales, technology, reliability or brand recognition. (And btw, why they made the R class you complain about, if they "know what they do")

But's great if you think otherwise.

Regards!

 

[K-A]

All those arguments we get in regarding M-B sticking to its core values VS completely changing their business model and styling directions and the 100+ year argument still comes up?

I think the worry from the "naysayers" is that M-B is starting to look too desperately wanting to abandon that "oldest car maker in the world moniker" for some cheap thrills of pandering to flash in the pan trends of "just any other automaker".

Also, who knows how long some of these guys have been with the company. The company is run by mere humans, and the power of M-B was developed by the forefathers. This newer brass of guys can undo everything those forefathers did in one board room meeting decision. Hopefully none of this is the case, but speaking in theory....

 

[K-A]

The one on the black car is very tasteful and doesn't look aftermarket, except for the star on the hood. I agree, one or the other. A lot of the younger generation see hood mounted emblems as out of date.

The "younger generation" has been putting ugly cheesily ill fitted star grill's on Merc Sedans since the 80's. I think that it's more because M-B has always made the sport grill the designation of "Sport models" which used to be a rare sight from M-B, while the Luxury grille was on all their cars.

Now, it's the opposite. I'd assume that in due time, as the star grill continues to lose that "specialness factor" it had when it was only on expensive models, as SUV after SUV dons it, little entry level Hatchback, etc., the Luxury grill can (and will) train all those, including the younger gens that it in fact represents a higher cost average basis than the star grilles do, considering the models that don them (now only the E and S, unless you count the C which is a very rare sight with the Luxo grill).

 

[Keyonte]

The R Class is a car with a good idea in mind, but it came in the wrong era, it came to early. Now with an established Mercedes B Class, BMW 5 GT, coming BMW 3GT, BMW FAST, Audi A2 and Audi A4 Superavant, the R Class could do well: RWD or AWD, plenty of space but not a SUV, luxurious interior, it would be my choice as a family car, over SUV, sedan, touring and the hybrid 5 GT.

Well lets not forget the new CLS shooting break, i'd rather that then the R class, it looks like a dodge durango, the SB is much more mdoern and stylish than the R class
-off topic

 

[941benz]

 

[Yaz]

The biggest change is the redesigned front fascia with the exclusion of the dual-pod headlamps. Remember, the dual-pod headlight look has been with the E Class since the W210 launched in the 90′s. Speculations suggests that the new headlamps will be heavily influenced by the Concept A Class


Keeping in-line with modern times, the new head lamps will have LED DRLs


Modified fog lights and new airdam will freshen up the car’s face


The front grill will be turned slightly more vertical than the last iteration


The rear will feature different tail lamp graphics along with a re-sculptured bumper


Changes will be made to the dashboard and steering wheel designs so that the E becomes part of the new family


Upgrades to the communication, infotainment and safety systems are expected


Powertrains will not be changed. Minor tweaks to improve the fuel efficiency and performance are expected

http://indianautosblog.com/2012/07/2013-mercedes-e-class-facelift-deep-dive#ixzz21V2e9FWF

 

[Merc1]

I really wish Mercedes would just unleash a 360hp turbo V6 for the E360 and a 270hp n/a V6 for a new E300.

M

 

[Wolfgang]

An engine update from jesmb.de. This is the Euro engine lineup, and may differ from the US.

The M274 replaces the M271 Evo. This will result in the following options:

E 200 BE (M274 DE 16 AL) of 1.6 liters and 156 hp (could also be called E 180 BE),
E 220 BE (M274 DE 20 AL) 2.0 liters displacement and 184 hp (could also be called E200 BE),
E 250 BE (M274 DE 20 AL) 2.0 liters displacement and 211 hp, and the
E 300 BE (M274 DE 20 AL) 2.0 liters displacement and 252 hp.

These are all Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder turbo gasoline engines with direct injection technology.

Another new feature is the E 400 BE. This is the M276 DE 35 AL (3.5-liter V6 turbo). It makes
around 340 hp and 450 NM. The performance of the E 500 BE should be increased from 408 hp
to 435 hp and 700 NM.

With the diesel engines, the E 300 BlueTEC with the OM642 (211 hp) will probably be dropped.
The BlueTEC versions of the OM651 (4-cylinder) and the OM642LS V6 diesel will likely be used instead.

 

[K-A]

I really wish Mercedes would just unleash a 360hp turbo V6 for the E360 and a 270hp n/a V6 for a new E300.

M

Problem is, 360 HP from an E350 is too much, and pointless, and won't even be appreciated by the general buying public of this segment who really doesn't care about HP.

Therefore, if they put in a 360 HP E350, you then have to wonder, where do they go from there. In 10 years we'll have 400+ HP E350's? It just doesn't make sense, and is really overboard. They obviously have to pace themselves or they'll run out of room for improvement before reaching the 500+ HP mark for an E350 by the time the W215 is out.

 

[Wunderkind]

Problem is, 360 HP from an E350 is too much, and pointless, and won't even be appreciated by the general buying public of this segment who really doesn't care about HP.

Therefore, if they put in a 360 HP E350, you then have to wonder, where do they go from there. In 10 years we'll have 400+ HP E350's? It just doesn't make sense, and is really overboard. They obviously have to pace themselves or they'll run out of room for improvement before reaching the 500+ HP mark for an E350 by the time the W215 is out.

No No, the 340hp turbo V6 is there to fill the void left by the long-absent 4.0L V8 and to go up against the BMW turbo in-line six engine and also that of Audi. The Mercedes 350 models have been bludgeoned by BMW in this market space.

That's what I want to see from Mercedes!!

 

[Keyonte]

I wonder how the interior will be revised, i hope they don't include a heads up display ( i really doubt that) but i hope it differs itself from the other models rather than a copy/paste job like the 5 series. MB is starting to do that with the A class, and CLA sharing the same interior and the W205 will have a similar but noticeably different interior than the CLA

 

[Wunderkind]

I wonder how the interior will be revised, i hope they don't include a heads up display ( i really doubt that) but i hope it differs itself from the other models rather than a copy/paste job like the 5 series. MB is starting to do that with the A class, and CLA sharing the same interior and the W205 will have a similar but noticeably different interior than the CLA

There is a lot of scope to improve the interior and I hope Mercedes will do a good job this time around. The E400 with the AMG sports package sounds very promising. All the performance of a V8 without the weight over the front axles.

 

[Merc1]

Problem is, 360 HP from an E350 is too much, and pointless, and won't even be appreciated by the general buying public of this segment who really doesn't care about HP.

Therefore, if they put in a 360 HP E350, you then have to wonder, where do they go from there. In 10 years we'll have 400+ HP E350's? It just doesn't make sense, and is really overboard. They obviously have to pace themselves or they'll run out of room for improvement before reaching the 500+ HP mark for an E350 by the time the W215 is out.

I used to think that also, but look at the W124 E-Class. The 300E back in the day had 177hp from a 3.0L I6 and there was no V8 until 1992 and even then the 400E only made like 275hp. Heck my 2003 CLK430 only makes 275hp, Mercedes' main V6 now outpowers those V8s. So yes 360hp seems like a lot, but it really isn't anymore. The current E550 has more hp than the V12 W140 S600 did. That is just progress. Cars are still getting bigger and only just now is there a concerted effort to make them lighter. Mercedes is trying now.

I really think thought of a E300 to combat the A6 2.0t, 528i and now XJ 2.0T is a good idea, but Mercedes will do it with a V6 with no loss in refinement vs those cars and only a small consumption penalty.

Mercedes typically keeps an engine around a long time, well they used to. A 360hp E350 would be competitive for the rest of the W212 and well into the W213's life also. By that time there will be some other type of break through, be it lighter weight construction or some new engine concept to squeeze more power from a smaller engine.

Yes in 10 years there may be a 400hp E350, but there will be something slotting under it I'm sure with less power. Eventually the blown V6 may replace the V8, even in a Mercedes. V8s are already dropping at other makes.

You and I both know that when Merecedes decides to address the turbo/supercharged 6 cylinders on the market they're going to leapfrog them. If their top V6 is make 302 hp now, you can expect at least 350hp, at the very least when they go after BMW, Jaguar and Audi with their blown 6's. Look for Cadillac to unleash one also next year with the bigger CTS. Mercedes can't just stand pat anymore.


M

 

[klier]

They obviously have to pace themselves or they'll run out of room for improvement before reaching the 500+ HP mark for an E350 by the time the W215 is out.

No, because the W125 will probably weigh as much as an A class does now. Much less power will be needed when cars have a CF frame and stuff.

 

[MBFanToDeath]

In less than a year from now, Mercedes will reveal the refreshed version E-Class. What sort of added equipment or new engines will be added is still pretty much a mystery, but we do know a little bit about the styling changes.

The updates for the body of the car focus on the front end, where a redesigned grille will be used. This will be flanked by the much anticipated single-unit headlights that abandon the old design which originated in the 90’s.

At the back, the styling changes are less visible. We can see the taillights have been redesigned in part, but the bumper is heavily camouflaged. Most likely, the lines will be softer and smoother than the current edgy design we see on the road.

There will also be some new toys, like a stereo camera system that reads potholes in the road and adjust he suspension, or a night-vision that detects animals crossing the road.

Source: Mercedes E-Class Estate Facelift

 

[Wolfgang]

If you look at face lift GLK, new ML GL SL w222 A class, they all have eyebrows inside a headlight. If you look closer at spy pictures of w212 headlights it looks like Mercedes realy trying to hide somethink on a middle, it makes me think- what if E class will keep is quad headlight look, but insted bumper peace they will use LED eyebrow going down the middle of the light ( where plastic from a bumper today) not next to a grill like on other models. Is just a gees, but I think it would give that unique and aggresive E class look, and at same time will look similar to the rest Mercedes lineup.

Indeed. Maybe W123/W124 inspired headlamps with internal eyebrow separation return?

http://www.germancarforum.com/commu...-benz-w205-2013-2014-spy-photos.42565/page-10

 

[Wolfgang]

the W125 will probably weigh as much as an A class does now.

The fuel cell powered F125 Concept weighed 3750 lbs, significantly more than the A-Class.

F125 Concept 3750 lbs
2013 A180 BE 3020 lbs
2013 fortwo coupe 1653 lbs
1980 W126 LWB 3682 lbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W126)

 

[lukeswiss]

Indeed. Maybe W123/W124 inspired headlamps with internal eyebrow separation return?

I was thinking the exact same thing ! I hope so.

 

[Keyonte]

When I went to the dealership today and saw that black e350 in the showroo
I instantly fell in love again with the front end I'm going to miss the quad light design by I guess it's time to try something new