Mercedes HP, Make or Break?


Would Mercedes be the king with equal power?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 28 49.1%

  • Total voters
    57

CAR-NNOSSEUR

Quattro Commander
Everyone know's Mercedes is the king of HP, so I was wondering if it's because they need it to be able to compete with the likes of BMW & Audi who offer cars
almost capable of matching them with alot less power.
Do you feel that Mercedes would still be the king of straight line performance if only offering simular HP as it's rivals?
 
The whole thing is an arms race. One manufacturer throws out a new car then the other manufacturers counter with an even faster one. Don't blame the the industry for this, blame us consumers, we are to damn horny on figures. The only manufacturer which can compete with less hp than the competitors is Porsche.
 
no, simple. MB customers want luxury above sports; The only way they could compete with cars without the insane HP figures would be losing weight. A lot of it. they won't do that.
 
I just want to say, this thread could end up a huge flame war, so let's try and keep it clean :usa7uh:

Btw: I think what Luwalria said is pretty much true
 
I just want to say, this thread could end up a huge flame war, so let's try and keep it clean :usa7uh:

Btw: I think what Luwalria said is pretty much true

I hope it doesn't! It wasn't my intent when I created this thread, I just wanted to find out what the majority of
our members thought.:)
 
I'm not going to vote on this poll because to me personally it's a yes and no. Yes because while mercedes is a luxury car company they sure as hell can build a race car (dtm). That is not the problem here, the problem is that Mercedes above all else is a pure LUXURY company. That is their sole business. And that is the exact reason why it's also a no. If they wanted to compete with the rest they would have to sacrifice some luxury for it and they are not willing to do that because otherwise they are no different than AUDI or BMW. Even in today's highly competitive german car segment, where almost everything is equal, the comfort and luxury of the Mercedes is still not surpassed. There still isn't a ride-comfort like a mercedes.

-Narutoramen
 
Mercedes have always had lots of power. Even the old ones did, especially compared to their rivals. I think that is part of buying a mercedes and indeed part of the prestige. Your buying in essence an auto bahn cruiser with a high displacement mercedes engine. So of course high power numbers are important for this brand, in fact i think it goes hand in hand with buying a merc and always will.
 
Even in today's highly competitive german car segment, where almost everything is equal, the comfort and luxury of the Mercedes is still not surpassed. There still isn't a ride-comfort like a mercedes.

-Narutoramen


if bmw wanted to make their M cars comfortable as a AMG they could do it but thats not what people who buy a M wants. Its not like AMG has a secret formula recipe how to build comfortable cars besides M division philosophy hasnt comfort as prior one, its speed and handling and driving involvement and then comfort comes after. AMG and M have different views of how a performance cars should be.

Anyway, I wont vote either
 
if bmw wanted to make their M cars comfortable as a AMG they could do it but thats not what people who buy a M wants. Its not like AMG has a secret formula recipe how to build comfortable cars besides M division philosophy hasnt comfort as prior one, its speed and handling and driving involvement and then comfort comes after. AMG and M have different views of how a performance cars should be.

Anyway, I wont vote either

C'mon...you didn't understand what I said. You said exactly what I was saying, except I left out the M and RS divisions because I didn't want to turn this into a flame war. We all know that all of these car companies have different philosophies. So, lets leave other car companies out of this so we can avoid a Mercedes vs. other companies thread. :t-cheers:
 
The question posed by this poll is based on some assumptions, some of which may or may not be accurate, depending on your views.

"Would Mercedes still be king if they offerred cars of equal power?"

The first assumption in the question is that Mercedes Benz is the "king" of cars. I'm sure many people here would argue with that assumption.

The second assumption is that Mercedes Benz cars all have superior horsepower compared to the competition. This is definitly not the case for the majority of MB's products. Sure, the top of the line AMG cars are the ones most notorious for very high HP numbers. The 65 series cars are examples of cars with truly excessive HP compared to the competition. But the majority of MB cars do NOT have such a HP advantage over the competition.

For example, let's look at the C-class lineup in N. America (Mercedes' biggest seller). The C230 has a 201HP V6. The C280 has a 228HP V6. The C350 has a 268HP V6. The old C55 (now discontinued) had a 362HP V8.

Compare this to the BMW 3 series lineup in N. America. The 323i has a 200HP I6. The 328i has a 230HP I6. The 335i has a 300HP twin turbo I6. The old M3 (now discontinued) had a 333HP I6.

There is NOT a significand difference in HP output between the cars. If anything, BMW 3 series outpowers (slightly) most of the C-class range. Even though the C55 had 30 more HP than the old M3, the power to weight ratio between the two cars were virtually identical (which is why straight line acceleration between the two are very similar).

Another issue which bothers me about this poll is the implication that MB would be nothing without superior HP. I would argue that the vast majority of MB owners DO NOT care so much about performance and power. Most MB owners drive conservatively on ROADS, not race tracks. No, I would argue that most MB owners bought their cars because of 1) luxury and comfort, 2) prestige, and 3) safety. In other words, I think these are the core values that many MB customers value the most.

I do admit that the small percentage of people who buy AMG cars DO have an obssession with performance and HP (like people who buy M and S/RS cars). And yes, AMG's emphasis has historically been big engines with big HP numbers. Maybe this poll would have been more appropriate for AMG cars. In other words, would an AMG car be anything special if it didn't have superior HP over the compeitition?? Maybe someone should start another poll?:D
 
The question posed by this poll is based on some assumptions, some of which may or may not be accurate, depending on your views.

"Would Mercedes still be king if they offerred cars of equal power?"

The first assumption in the question is that Mercedes Benz is the "king" of cars. I'm sure many people here would argue with that assumption.

The second assumption is that Mercedes Benz cars all have superior horsepower compared to the competition. This is definitly not the case for the majority of MB's products. Sure, the top of the line AMG cars are the ones most notorious for very high HP numbers. The 65 series cars are examples of cars with truly excessive HP compared to the competition. But the majority of MB cars do NOT have such a HP advantage over the competition.

For example, let's look at the C-class lineup in N. America (Mercedes' biggest seller). The C230 has a 201HP V6. The C280 has a 228HP V6. The C350 has a 268HP V6. The old C55 (now discontinued) had a 362HP V8.

Compare this to the BMW 3 series lineup in N. America. The 323i has a 200HP I6. The 328i has a 230HP I6. The 335i has a 300HP twin turbo I6. The old M3 (now discontinued) had a 333HP I6.

There is NOT a significand difference in HP output between the cars. If anything, BMW 3 series outpowers (slightly) most of the C-class range. Even though the C55 had 30 more HP than the old M3, the power to weight ratio between the two cars were virtually identical (which is why straight line acceleration between the two are very similar).

Another issue which bothers me about this poll is the implication that MB would be nothing without superior HP. I would argue that the vast majority of MB owners DO NOT care so much about performance and power. Most MB owners drive conservatively on ROADS, not race tracks. No, I would argue that most MB owners bought their cars because of 1) luxury and comfort, 2) prestige, and 3) safety. In other words, I think these are the core values that many MB customers value the most.

I do admit that the small percentage of people who buy AMG cars DO have an obssession with performance and HP (like people who buy M and S/RS cars). And yes, AMG's emphasis has historically been big engines with big HP numbers. Maybe this poll would have been more appropriate for AMG cars. In other words, would an AMG car be anything special if it didn't have superior HP over the compeitition?? Maybe someone should start another poll?:D

This poll specifies straight line performance, and your right
I should of stated AMG. I believe the majority of people
won't have trouble figuring that out. And because I stated
straight line performance, information on other factors of why someone might buy a Mercedes is pointless!:t-hands:
 
...And because I stated
straight line performance, information on other factors of why someone might buy a Mercedes is pointless!:t-hands:

Well the reason I and others have brought other facts to this thread is because the majority of buyers don't buy a mercedes for their straight line speed. They buy it for the overallpackage. Even the AMG buyers don't buy it for just the straight line speed. So to ask the question you did without the other facts included is pure flaimbait. I know you didn't mean for it to be flamebait but the fact is that without the rest of the facts it will turn into one fairly quickly.
 
Well the reason I and others have brought other facts to this thread is because the majority of buyers don't buy a mercedes for their straight line speed. They buy it for the overallpackage. Even the AMG buyers don't buy it for just the straight line speed. So to ask the question you did without the other facts included is pure flaimbait. I know you didn't mean for it to be flamebait but the fact is that without the rest of the facts it will turn into one fairly quickly.

Have you read the title of this thread? Your trying to justify
making this into anything other than what it was meant to
be, it you want to talk about all other factors other than what it specifies than do it elsewhere!:confused:
 
Have you read the title of this thread? Your trying to justify
making this into anything other than what it was meant to
be, it you want to talk about all other factors other than what it specifies than do it elsewhere!:confused:

Jeez, sorry man. it's not like i'm taking over your thread or something. You said you didn't know why people were mentioning other factors and I told you why...it's as simple as that.

Naruto out...
 
Jeez, sorry man. it's not like i'm taking over your thread or something. You said you didn't know why people were mentioning other factors and I told you why...it's as simple as that.

Naruto out...

Their's no need to apologize! I'm only trying to clearify
the purpose of this thread. Maybe you thought this thread
was about factors considered when buying a Mercedes such as interior, technology, safety, cost, etc,etc......
But in reality this thread isn't about that! :t-hands:
 

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