Mercedes Benz CLS63/////AMG or BMW ///M6 ?????

[Matt]

Again we are passing judgements on a car that hasn`t been released yet.
How do we know the CLS63 will cost $100,000USD did thay announce prices already? How do we know what this cars feel like, the journalists havn`t even gotton their hands on this car yet.



Judgements aside, I wonder which car is safer in an accident. I know BMW doesn`t have the safty record that Mercedes does. Last time I checked the 5er has a 4-star safty rating the E-Class and Audi A6 got 5-stars. I know these cars a coupes that relate to their sedan brothers. As far as safty goes, with the records I rather be in the CLS.

Look, I was merely estimated, not stating facts. The reason I think it will cost so much is becuase they improved (at atleast according to you guys) a great deal so why wouldnt the price tag go up as well??

 

[Matt]

Matt , whats up ? Hope you dont take things personal but why do you have to keep repeating the same comment over and over again especially when it seems like you have no idea what you are judging ?

Its just my opinion and i think i made that pretty clear. Sorry if you dont agree with it, but you simply cant let it bother you because like you said, I have no idea what I'm judging.

(because you cant receive messages, here you go!)

 

[ALI]

Its just my opinion and i think i made that pretty clear. Sorry if you dont agree with it, but you simply cant let it bother you because like you said, I have no idea what I'm judging.

(because you cant receive messages, here you go!)

I didnt say that it bothers me , just be fair atleast , I am not going to lag it with this converstation so lets just be friends and continue ontopic .

 

[Matt]

I didnt say that it bothers me , just be fair atleast , I am not going to lag it with this converstation so lets just be friends and continue ontopic .

sounds good!

 

[Porsche Guy]

Shouldn't we compare the CLS63 to the M5? Sedan vs. Sedan, not matter what type of car MB says the CLS is.............

 

[Zafiro]

Shouldn't we compare the CLS63 to the M5? Sedan vs. Sedan, not matter what type of car MB says the CLS is.............

In sweden they cost almost the same so this comparison isn't a problem for me.

 

[Top Secret]

BMW never, ever skimps on engineering no matter what the car.

And MB doesn't?

Also, I doubt very much the CLS63 AMG will have such a price-tag. Since this car is 'merely' an engine change from the CLS55 AMG, I doubt the price would change, if not at all. Same dealie with the C32 AMG and the C55 AMG - since it was just an engine change, the price did not go up much at all. So this leads me to doubt the huge price hike you specify Matt.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

Without doubt, the CLS63 AMG will be as close as any MB gets to being 'better' (from a BMW point-of-view) than a BMW M Model. Think of it as MB's RS4, if you will. This is their best shot, and no doubt, they've tried to the buggery to make this car reach the best of it's potential - the ingredients surely suggest so, especially that AMG-exclusive 6.3L V8.

Whether that comes close to the absolute mastery that BMW can cook up is unknown, at least on the road. But without doubt, this will be as close as it gets, that's for sure.

But looking solely on specificiations and design, I think the CLS has that extra 'edge'. The amount of power and torque generated from the 6.3L V8 is just...phenomenal. Sure, it might not be as high-tech as BMW's V10, but it sure makes up for it sheer power and torque. And, really, that's what matters doesn't it? It doesn't matter who has the more 'technologically-advanced' engine or whether your car has extra cylinders, it all comes down to how much, how well and how great that engine is. And the V8 definately has all of that.

Looks. Expect this to be where the buyer chooses A or B. Both are controversial, both are revolutionary and both are beautiful and horribly ugly at the same time.

The M6 can simply be summed up in one word: Bangle. Take that whichever way you want - whether you think he's the saviour of BMW, or whether he's BMW's 'home-wrecker', it doesn't matter. I personally think he's a bit of both. On one hand, the 6 Series in general looks serene, elegant and imposing, but on the other it looks awkward, downright ugly and just plain weird. It's not a DB9, but it's also not an Aztek. Weird, I know, but that's what I feel about it.

The CLS - well, what can I say. Banana? Groundbreaking? Sexy? Strange? It's all of those things. It's got it's good bits, and it's got it's bad. But overall, I think it looks quite grand. The interior is quite fabulous as well. Very 'gentlemanish', which amuses me, since the exterior styling, engine and suspension suggest otherwise. I do hate the fact that it's only a four-seater though.

Overall, like I said before, the CLS has got that 'edge' to it, which makes it such a great car, and one that is destined to be a classic and a revolutionist. The engine, the interior, the looks - it's got 'it'. Can you say to yourself that the M6 is revolutionary and classic? Of course not.

 

[wltsm]

As usuall the BMW fans will vote for the M6 and MB fans will vote for the CLS63.

Don't always assume this! I voted for the CLS, yes that's right, an MB over a BMW!

The CLS is by far my favourite Mercedes car on sale today, many because it is like no other MB ever made! It looks interesting, agressive and at the same time elegant! That is where the M6 falls short, because IMO it doesn't look at all elegant! It looks fine for the race track but may not look so good parked outside the main hotel in Monoco when compared to the CLS! Also I think the CLS will be faster than the M6 because it has more power, and when it 'only' had 476bhp, it was only 0.1 seconds slower to 60 than the M6!

This doesn't mean I have lost my love for BMW!

 

[Zafiro]

Don't always assume this! I voted for the CLS, yes that's right, an MB over a BMW!

The CLS is by far my favourite Mercedes car on sale today, many because it is like no other MB ever made! It looks interesting, agressive and at the same time elegant! That is where the M6 falls short, because IMO it doesn't look at all elegant! It looks fine for the race track but may not look so good parked outside the main hotel in Monoco when compared to the CLS! Also I think the CLS will be faster than the M6 because it has more power, and when it 'only' had 476bhp, it was only 0.1 seconds slower to 60 than the M6!

This doesn't mean I have lost my love for BMW!

but the M5 is 4.5 sec faster than CLS55 up to 250km/h according to car&driver. According to Sportauto M6 is 0.6 sec faster to 100km/h so it all depends what you read, its not always 0.1 sec difference
Maybe you should consider your choice if acceleration means so much?

Im looking forward for CLS63, It not like the difference is going to be huge to 60mph, in fact 0-60 times are the hardest to improve. Just check out Brabus EV12, its only 0.3 sec faster than E55 to 60mph according to one review CLS63 will shine at higher speeds, not below 60mph.

 

[wltsm]

Yea, but considering if I have a car it will spend most of its time under 100mph and I would hardly ever go over 100mph it doesn't really matter to me! 0-60 is more real life figures, when are you going to go over 120mph where the M5 shines!

 

[Zafiro]

Yea, but considering if I have a car it will spend most of its time under 100mph and I would hardly ever go over 100mph it doesn't really matter to me! 0-60 is more real life figures, when are you going to go over 120mph where the M5 shines!

sorry to say but if you own a M5 or something powerful you will drive fast a lot. You will reach 200km/h extremly easy. If you dont use your high performance car then its no idea to own one. You will understand this once you drive one. Sad but true facts so sorry I dont buy your argument
BMw dude, I recomend a 530i or E350 for you

Personally I drive 140-160km/h all the time when I drive on the freeway (and we have a lot of them), with a 500hp I would drive even faster. It all depend on what engine the car I drive has. So maybe you will drive slow but I know I wont therefore I choose M5 besides I want the sportiest one and that is the M5.

 

[wltsm]

BMw dude, I recomend a 530i or E350 for you

Well, I'd probably get a car like a 535d or 330d, I care about economy as well as performance! Although if I did get enough money I'd buy an M5! Once you are up to speed who cares what the acceleration is like! I don't live on the continent so wouldn'd have much of a chance to use the power of my car on german autobahns! I like fast cars, just probably wouldn't own one!

 

[Zafiro]

Well, I'd probably get a car like a 535d or 330d, I care about economy as well as performance! Although if I did get enough money I'd buy an M5! Once you are up to speed who cares what the acceleration is like! I don't live on the continent so wouldn'd have much of a chance to use the power of my car on german autobahns! I like fast cars, just probably wouldn't own one!

another great choice for you is Alpina B5 and england has many of them, its has low-torque as a E55 and comfort as a E55 and is faster so that would be a perfect choice for you if you someday buy a monster

another great car is 535d and Tycoon just bought one, also a great choice for you

 

[wltsm]

Well I'm only 16, will have to wait quite a few years till I will be able to afford a car like that!

BTW what car do you have JM?

 

[Zafiro]

Well I'm only 16, will have to wait quite a few years till I will be able to afford a car like that!

BTW what car do you have JM?

see tycoons car: http://germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=3270

and regarding mine, its not worth mention but it aint got 500hp

 

[wltsm]

I have appeared to miss a lot while not being here!

His new car looks awesome, the same colour combinations as I would go for! The 535d would have to be my real life dream car, while the M5 is my dream dream car! The 335d will also be great!

 

[MB_AD]

I will choose CLS63 but the new rims is not a proper for CLS.

 

[NarutoRamen]

I would personally buy the CLS63. It's such a beautiful car compared to the M6. Yes the M6 is more imposing but the CLS has more style. When I look at both of these cars they remind me of two types of women.

The first girl is the M6: Dressed in a miniskirt, with stripper-ish make-up and everyone knows she is a freak in bed.

The Second girl is the CLS63: Dressin in a very fine yet extremely sexy evening dress, Very classy, the kind of girl that makes you think twice about talking to her because you think she is out of your league and finally if you do take her to bed you find out that she is just as big of a freak if not more then the chick in the mini skirt.

I don't know about you gentlemen, I'm into classy girls...so my pick is the CLS.

 

[Matt]

^^Im into girls who arent shaped like bananas hahahaha

 

[NarutoRamen]

^^ I'm not into chubby lookin' girls ha ha ha ha