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[Deleted member 1071]

The events in Chemnitz and the lies the media are reporting about it have proven to me that ARD and ZDF etc. can no longer be trusted as a reliable and truthful source of information.

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Having regarded the so-called "news programs" on Germanys' private TV networks as "news-based entertainment", I looked to the public ARD and ZDF as the only TV entities that actually reported news. Undramatic, untheatrical, factual and succinct. But that has very unfortunately changed over the course of the past 10 years-and especially over the course of the past 5 years.

Oh yes...my entry for the "Unwort des Jahres 2018": Empörung.

 

[cawimmer430]

And for ARD and ZDF we are forced to pay GEZ... I want to throw up.

 

[SCOTT27]

On Thursday, Merkel's hardline interior minister Horst Seehofer, her most vocal critic within the cabinet, defended the protests and blasted immigration as "the mother of all political problems".
And now there are reports of manipulation that reports were faked by the media. Oh no...

 

[EnI]

And now ... this:

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Chemnitz effect. And a consequence of Merkel's reaction. Also a huge CDU drop in the West as well:

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[EnI]

Btw, what's with the separatist intentions of anti-immigration fraction of Die Linke party? Is this a serious issue for Die Linke? I'm reading they are losing a portion of blue collar voters to AfD due to pro-immigration stance of the party. And so an anti-immigration fraction within the party is becoming very vocal, trying to get more power within the party and steering it into more anti-immigration watters. Or even separate from Die Linke, and establishing a new anti-immigration far left party. Interseting development.

Can anyone elaborate on that?

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Btw, what's with the separatist intentions of anti-immigration fraction of Die Linke party? Is this a serious issue for Die Linke? I'm reading they are losing a portion of blue collar voters to AfD due to pro-immigration stance of the party. And so an anti-immigration fraction within the party is becoming very vocal, trying to get more power within the party and steering it into more anti-immigration watters. Or even separate from Die Linke, and establishin...

You are referring to Sahra Wagenknechts' "Aufstehen" movement. Wagenknecht, a studied economist and publisher, has become increasingly isolated in her party, Die Linke, primarily due to her critical, very vocal opinions regarding the Merkel administrations' "welcome" refugee policies. In essence, she views them as being negligent and irresponsible towards native Germans who are sustaining just above the level of impoverishment and promotes the philosophy that Germany must take care of its' own before embracing hundreds of thousands of refugees. Especially those who are "economic refugees". Otherwise, her agenda remains nouvo-socialist "wealth redistribution" and pacifism oriented (the agenda of Die Linke). Wagenknechts' movement has been fishing for supporters in the waters of The Greens as well as Social Democrats. It will be interesting to see how it developes. Being a supporter of a modern, pragmatic social market economy oriented, devoid of dogma or religion affiliated conservatism, many of my personal views are diametrically opposed to Die Linkes' platform. And yet, I genuinely admire Sahra Wagenknechts' energy and grit. She is highly charismatic and has more courage than the whole of the Merkel coalition administration and its' lapdog (save Seehofer) ministers.

 

[WAND]

I want to add that the car industry is under attack right now in Germany, and obviously from the wrong people. The Green Party in particular not only want to destroy the German car industry, they want to destroy Germany.

And sadly, these complete morons somehow have so much support right now. It boggles my mind how anyone can vote for these idiots.

Here’s a short list of car-related atrocities which these insane extremist politicially co...

Shame it can't be given "WTF" and "agree" together.
Kudos for Germany because of autobahn.
Hope they will maintain autobahn like it is, instead of speed limit on complete autobahn.
Green maniac's should be putted in closed space, and let them ruin their own life.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

I applaud sociopolitical movements. They can become far more empowering to an electorate than "merely" supporting an "in a bubble dwelling" so-called established political party. Frances' Emmanuel Macron-led "Marche" is...or at least "was" an example. But it appears that Macron is quickly losing traction. Like The Greens or not (and I am certainly NOT a fan in general), their origins are that of a "movement" and they initiated an awareness of some important issues that had not been properly addressed beforehand. But save a precious few current members (Kretschmann, Palmer, Özdemir), they paradoxically reside in "a pseudo-humanistic, reality detached lala land" while displaying many characteristics of dictatorial power-hunger.

I await that social market economy oriented, fiscally prudent, pragmatic yet nimble, national interest ,security-focused and non-dogmatic modern conservative movement in Germany. Something that unfortunately does not exist in Germany. The last time we enjoyed anything that was at least remotely reminiscent was Franz-Josef Strauss' CSU-governed Bavaria.

Wait...can I hear it approaching ??....*crickets*

 

[cawimmer430]

Shame it can't be given "WTF" and "agree" together.
Kudos for Germany because of autobahn.
Hope they will maintain autobahn like it is, instead of speed limit on complete autobahn.
Green maniac's should be putted in closed space, and let them ruin their own life.

Agreed.

The Autobahn is part of the allure of German cars. Globally they are perceived to be “Autobahn-tested” which reinforces their reputation for quality, solidity, performance, handling and safety. And naturally German cars are all of that.

However, if the Autobahn should be ruined with speed limits, that perception of German cars will slowly disappear over time. But then again, the idiotic Green Party has never cared about the might and reputation of German industry. If the Greens had their way we’d all be living in caves and eating peanuts...

I despise, DESPISE, that political party so much with all my heart and soul. I hate them.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

What interesting is the glaring lack of support for The Greens in eastern Germany. Various political scientists associate this phenomenon by way of comparative similarities with the former East German (DDR) SED regime. Dictatorial and highly intolerant towards any sort of opposition, as well as an often tandem promotion of their agenda (very similar to Merkels' CDU) with a large segment of the western German-based media. The anti-nuclear power/anti-NATO "Twin Track"/anti-U.S. protests of the 1980s' in western Germany that were anchored in a spirit of "militant pacifism" were the origins of the cultivation of The Greens' current (primarily western German) constituency. Ironic that their mission to "free themselves from the shackles of western military-industrial complex imperialism" has only led them to sheepishly flock to a political party that simply promotes another form of dictatorship.

No-I don't despise The Greens. But I find them every bit as dangerous as the populist-right AfD.

 

[EnI]

Are we getting another Chemnitz?

Germany: Police arrest 2 Afghans suspected of killing German man | DW | 09.09.2018

 

[cawimmer430]

What interesting is the glaring lack of support for The Greens in eastern Germany. Various political scientists associate this phenomenon by way of comparative similarities with the former East German (DDR) SED regime. Dictatorial and highly intolerant towards any sort of opposition, as well as an often tandem promotion of their agenda (very similar to Merkels' CDU) with a large segment of the western German-based media. The anti-nuclear power/anti-NATO "Twin Track"/anti-U.S. protests of the 1980s' in western Germany that were anchored in a spirit of "militant pacifism" were the origins of the cultivation of The Greens' current (primarily western German) constituency. Ironic that their mission to "free themselves from the shackles of western military-industrial complex imperialism" has only led them to sheepishly flock to a political party that simply promotes another form of dictatorship.

No-I don't despise The Greens. But I find them every bit as dangerous as the populist-right AfD.

I totally agree that the Greens are dangerous with their Meinungsdiktatur type of mentality; telling others how to live and what to think.

Personally, I really despise the Greens because of their constant knee jerk reactions to everything. This is a shoot-first-ask-questions-later type of politicial party; it is my impression that they do not think things through. They just demand and react without thinking of the consequences.

I’d say early on in the Green Party’s history they were quite “respectable” and their environmental demands made sense. But the Green Party today is too radical and full of... well... IDIOTS.

Let’s not forget that there are some incredibly perverted people in that party, such as Dr. Volker Beck - who calls for the legalization of adult sex with children. Disgusting. Why that creep is not in jail is beyond me...

 

[SCOTT27]

Are we getting another Chemnitz?

Germany: Police arrest 2 Afghans suspected of killing German man | DW | 09.09.2018

Yes they are Marching right now.
Again it's the "Far Right" and "Nazi's"
Labels for the citizens.
And they wonder why Trump will still be the US President in 2020.

 

[EnI]

Some are saying stalinized East Germany didn't go through the denazification after 1945 like West Germany did. And what we see today (the rise of AfD and PEGIDA etc) is the consequence of that. Could that really be it. Same case with Italy & Hungary - never being denacifed after WWII therefore more prone to far-right agenda.

Any thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Some are saying stalinized East Germany didn't go through the denazification after 1945 like West Germany did. And what we see today (the rise of AfD and PEGIDA etc) is the consequence of that. Could that really be it. Same case with Italy & Hungary - never being denacifed after WWII therefore more prone to far-right agenda.

Any thoughts?

Actually, the initial denazificaton process in East Germany (conducted by its' Russian occupiers) was perhaps far more stringent than that of western Germany. Well over 100,000 suspected Nazis were tried, convicted and imprisoned (or sentenced to death) by Soviet courts. The DDR regime was also often instrumental in uncovering former Nazis in West Germany.
Not to say that this wasn't convenient in the propagation of the anti-fachist mantras of communist eastern Europe. And, like in the west (NASA, CIA, etc), former Nazis who were deemed "useful" were spared punishment and often landed in elevated positions.

 

[EnI]

I was more thinking of deindoctrination of Nazi ideas & m.o. Which was performed on West German people but not on East German one. Since the Eastern Germans came directly from one totalitarian regime to another. The enemy of the people was no longer race & nationality based but social class based then. While the ideas & m.o. of the Stalinist communist regime was quite similar to the Nazi or fascist one. I'm sure the Stalinist regime did better when it came to locating & prosecuting Nazis after 1945. But in schools East German children were fed with another totalitarian & utopian BS mantra and ideology. Just like under Nazi regime. Not to mention "multikulti" was not a part of communist regime - since it lacked even the "kulti" part since culture & art (and expressing them) was not allowed or at least desired - unless it was state-approved art (and culture) in socrealistic style.

We have that too. Just like the other ex-comi EE countries. Not really welcoming to other cultures and races.

But I do understand average Heiko & Katja being pissed after their West German brothers & sisters care more about Turks, Syrians, Afghans etc then they do about their own people in the East. And beside that being accused of being a leeches & lazy & and not ambitious enough - not doing enough to reach the West German standard. WTF? And Berlin establishment is doing the same with other EE countries. Accusing them of not being grateful enough after Germany (and other West EU countries) poured money into their economy after the fall of the iron curtain. Talking about gratuity ... What an irony. Since BRD has USA much to thank for all the help done after WWII. And only in 2017 - with Trump - USA are demanding more gratuity from (West) Germany & Europe in general.

I'm often watching ARD, ZDF, reading Spiegel, Welt, Focus, FAZ, SDZ etc. and I'm starting to be appalled by German attitude towards the EE and SE. It's very "Trumpish". And it started with Merkel - especially after the great crisis in 2007.

I'm afraid what could a new economic / financial crisis bring to the surface. A soft cold war between WEU and the rest EU? End of EU?

Sure Greens and far-lefties and impotent socialdemocrats are not the answer. Nor is the (christian-democrat) center-right living in a bubble of some "good old times when we ruled the Europe". There's a new, fresh wind needed in the center-right. Merkel & Co need to go. And some new ideas & approaches have to kick in. Otherwise there will be an utter disaster happening - not only in Germany, but also in the entire EU. Germany needs to lead! And Angela is not the leader we need (right now).

 

[Deleted member 1071]

"Sure Greens and far-lefties and impotent socialdemocrats are not the answer. Nor is the (christian-democrat) center-right living in a bubble of some "good old times when we ruled the Europe". There's a new, fresh wind needed in the center-right. Merkel & Co need to go. And some new ideas & approaches have to kick in. Otherwise there will be an utter disaster happening - not only in Germany, but also in the entire EU. Germany needs to lead! And Angela is not the leader we need (right now)."

Hear,Hear @ Eni !

 

[Deleted member 1071]

As long as the currents of sociopolitics are free of waves and whirlpools, Merkel can be a competent administrator. She is an embodiment of the term "bureaucrat". A "leader", "visionary", "innovator" , "proactive problem solver" she is NOT. A "fair weather Chancellor" so to speak. And absolutely surplus to Germanys' (and Europes') current requirements.

 

[EnI]

She definitely is not (has never been) a good crisis manager. Either she freezes or she makes a completely wrong move. I'm sure history will judge her .... and she will be labelled as one of the worse German chancellors. I got a feeling she is getting away with it right know because she is a female politician / chancellor. Sometimes being cautious & slow is not very pragmatic.

Also, I'm still extremely intrigued by German "Schuldangst". A collective fear that any bold(er) move by Germany will revive the association around the Europe & world with the Nazi Germany, Third Reich, Hitler, Holocaust etc.

Yes, you f**ed it biggly - not once but twice in 20th century. But now you are good guys. I hope. I know. You can be bolder without being extreme. Tell Mrs Merkel that, please.

And tell her, Europe does not want the ILLEGAL immigrants she invited to & let in to Germany. She can have them & she alone can "schaffen", I guess. ILLEGAL immigrants are not like bags of potatoes that can be shipped across Europe - form one country to another under some quota system she is dreaming about. How can you force an immigrant from eg Iraq who came to Germany (and has an extended family there) to move to eg. Latvia. Or Portugal. Or Croatia.
Forced relocations of people? Now we are speaking about Nazi moves! Doesn't she see that? Is she blind or stupid or perhaps both? Close the external EU borders! That's the solution. Make a working system for LEGAL (economic) immigration instead of f***ing entire EU up.

 

[SCOTT27]

Sweden eh?