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Some years ago, I bought a little house near Stockholm. Sweden (Scandinavia and the Baltic region, in general) have a very soothing effect on me. What I particularly like about those folks is their rationality and their general openness despite being rooted in strong tradition. And while taxes are considered evil by many in Germany (because many do not differentiate taxes and welfare contributions and therefore also don't see that the former is kinda 'fair' while the latter is not), my Scandinavian peers have a very healthy view on their tax duties (that come with their privileges).

Sweden is a cheap country compared to Norway, a lot of people who live here really do struggle. Food is easily twice the Swedish price, despite the high incomes (although a lot lower since the NOK crashed a few years back) Norwegians are not better off than any other European and we don't have the benefit of being an EU member state, we accept all the rules and regulations but the average Ole & Anna doen't recieve any of the benefits, especially the customs union, hence the reason why choice is limited and prices are sky high.
 
The recent events in Chemnitz quite glaringly display the utter dysfunctionality of Germanys' so-called "political elite" and its' legislative, executive as well as judicial instruments. And the public media (ARD & ZDF) appear to have embarked on a (new) mission of criminally naive, insulting stupefaction. What is now unfolding was so predictable. So inevitable. The theatrical "indignation" of those responsible is simply...puke worthy.
 
The recent events in Chemnitz quite glaringly display the utter dysfunctionality of Germanys' so-called "political elite" and its' legislative, executive as well as judicial instruments. And the public media (ARD & ZDF) appear to have embarked on a (new) mission of criminally naive, insulting stupefaction. What is now unfolding was so predictable. So inevitable. The theatrical "indignation" of those responsible is simply...puke worthy.

To me ARD and ZDF are nothing more than the Aktuelle Kamera of the former East Germany - in other words the STATE-OWNED-TELEVISION feeding us lies and attempting to brainwash us and keep us complacent.

I like listening to this guy’s videos. Full of passion and he speaks the truth. He’s also very calm, composed and eloquent with words.

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The Bürgergespräch yesterday evening in Chemnitz was aired live on N-TV. While watching, it only reinforced my views regarding the brazenly haughty incompetence of so many elected officials. Simply pathetic.
 
The Bürgergespräch yesterday evening in Chemnitz was aired live on N-TV. While watching, it only reinforced my views regarding the brazenly haughty incompetence of so many elected officials. Simply pathetic.

Indeed. You have to wonder how stupid these politicians are. They are wondering why Germans are upset and acting the way they are in Chemnitz... um... hello!? HELLO!? HELLO!?

These idiot politicians are the best thing that could ever happen for the AfD. They are literally pushing people towards voting AfD and they don't even realize it.
 
These idiot politicians are the best thing that could ever happen for the AfD. They are literally pushing people towards voting AfD and they don't even realize it.

Bundesjustizministerin (Federal Attorney General) Katarina Barley is exemplary. And the sheer intellectual depravity of Chemnitz' mayor Barbara Ludwig leaves me at a loss for words.
 
Bundesjustizministerin (Federal Attorney General) Katarina Barley is exemplary. And the sheer intellectual depravity of Chemnitz' mayor Barbara Ludwig leaves me at a loss for words.

Jimmy,

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry...

More taxes! More “refugees”! And more internet censorship! <— That’s what this disgusting Green Party has planned.

Ich verachte, verachte, VERACHTE, V E R A C H T E, diese Partei voller Kinderschänder, Kiffer, Spinner, Gutmenschen und Vollidioten!


https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article181380558/Buendnis-90-Die-Gruenen-steuern-regulieren-umverteilen.html
 
[QUOTE"="cawimmer430, post: 900750, member: 99"]Jimmy,

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry...

More taxes! More “refugees”! And more internet censorship! <— That’s what this disgusting Green Party has planned.

Ich verachte, verachte, VERACHTE, V E R A C H T E, diese Partei voller Kinderschänder, Kiffer, Spinner, Gutmenschen und Vollidioten!


https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article181380558/Buendnis-90-Die-Gruenen-steuern-regulieren-umverteilen.html[/QUOTE]

Christian, what perhaps baffles me most is that that the Christian Democrats, Social Democrats and Greens appear to be dwelling in such an inpenetrable bubble that they are making it a cakewalk for the right-wing populist AfD. As frequently articulated recently, the AfD can simply sit back and watch their opposition self-destruct.

My take: Germany is in dire need of a modern conservative (not meaning "traditionalist" or "reactionary" ) movement. The Christian Democrats abandoned that role under Angela Merkel.
 
[QUOTE"="cawimmer430, post: 900750, member: 99"]
My take: Germany is in dire need of a modern conservative (not meaning "traditionalist" or "reactionary" ) movement. The Christian Democrats abandoned that role under Angela Merkel.


Not only Germany. Every European country needs that! A new centralistic political force, prone to more pragmatic & common sense approach (yet not populist one!) compared to current too ideological & too idealistic one (eg. the green movement & parties; established liberal parties). There are some similar forces there yet but it seems they are being pulled into current muddy conservative mainstream. I'm talking about eg. French LREM or Spanish Ciudadanos.

The old christian-democratic forces are too archaic. So are the liberal & social-democratic ones. The right is converging into nationalist - populist right-wing parties (AfD, Fidesz, UKIP, Lega, RN etc), the left is moving to the neosocialist / neocommunist far-left (Die Linke, Podemos, Syriza, FdG etc).

There's a vacuum in the centre. The old centralistic forces are not up to the current challenges. The new, much more pragmatic ones have to emerge asap to fill the gap.
 
Jimmy,

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry...

More taxes! More “refugees”! And more internet censorship! <— That’s what this disgusting Green Party has planned.

Ich verachte, verachte, VERACHTE, V E R A C H T E, diese Partei voller Kinderschänder, Kiffer, Spinner, Gutmenschen und Vollidioten!


https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article181380558/Buendnis-90-Die-Gruenen-steuern-regulieren-umverteilen.html


Relax man. You take a lot of thing to seriously. Being green and having a strong leftist focus has been in their roots since their were founded. And I'm sorry for you to say, but some points of their agenda do do make sense for me. Here in Germany we have such a strong, almost unregulated livestock breeding were tons of antibiotics are being used every day to keep all the animals grow in the stocks extremly fast. For which reason? All this nitrogen and medicament rich manure conatimante millions hectares of land. Even the most pro-government research institutes admitted that most the rivers and lakes, for example in lower saxony were we have one of the strongest agriculture sectores, are polluted with antibiotic-resistant pathogens. I would NOT let my kids swim in there. Our government knows about that but has absolutely NOTHING done about that. Why do we have so many brown coal power plants and we are still not stemming the tide of energy consumption? Why are we about the be the No.1 arms exporting country in Europe and still complain about all the thousands of refugees comming to us? Because - quiet frankly - we're one of the triggers of this human tragedy with all our high-tech weapons made in Germany sending them right into the arms of all this wicked terrorists. Think about that.
I'm neither pro green nor a leftist. But a lot of problems we have are pretty much self-made. A cursory glance to some other established parties does help for me.
 
the left is moving to the neosocialist / neocommunist far-left (Die Linke, Podemos, Syriza, FdG etc)
FYI, in the latest (as of last week) government reshuffle, we now have at least three Ministers that come from the former major parties of PASON and ND, i.e. center and right wing.

IMO, Syriza stopped being left the next day of the 2015 referendum. They just use "left" wording, while continuing exactly the same road as pretty much any government before.
 
Relax man. You take a lot of thing to seriously. Being green and having a strong leftist focus has been in their roots since their were founded. And I'm sorry for you to say, but some points of their agenda do do make sense for me. Here in Germany we have such a strong, almost unregulated livestock breeding were tons of antibiotics are being used every day to keep all the animals grow in the stocks extremly fast. For which reason? All this nitr...

The Greens were originally a motley crew interest group that promoted ecological responsibility. A movement that was instrumental in creating an environmental awareness that had been absent. A very good thing. A necessary wake-up call, if you will. And much of what they promoted was eventually adopted by the large Volksparteien CDU/CSU and SPD.

But when it comes to confronting issues that require realpolitische Lösungen (rational solutions anchored in pragmatic realities), they have time-after-time displayed an ineptitude that is only surpassed by a condescending, know-it-all arrogance. In terms of the lack of the ability to conduct themselves within the parameters of a rational Realpolitik, they are actually not unlike the AfD populist right. But to the Greens defense, they have produced a very small number of rational and highly competent politicians. Personally, I considered Joschka Fischer an excellent foreign minister (the SPD/Green coalition under Gerhard Schröder). Winfried Kretschmann, the minister president of Baden-Württemberg, is another positive example. Cem Özdemir has been and can be reasonable. And the polarizing Boris Palmer absolutely nailed it with regard to his analysis and predictions regarding Angela Merkels' refugee policies. Alas, the above mentioned represent small islands of rationality in a sea of delusional nincompoops. Habeck and Baerbock leave me patently unimpressed. In fact, I consider them as dangerous as the assorted AfD figures (Gauland, von Storch, etc.) that are poluting Germanys' sociopolitical currents.
 
Congratulations.
The Left and the government have now demonised the working and middle class using the common but incorrect propose of "Nazi" and far right that they do not realise the political and public outcome that will spread across the whole of Germany.
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FYI, in the latest (as of last week) government reshuffle, we now have at least three Ministers that come from the former major parties of PASON and ND, i.e. center and right wing.

IMO, Syriza stopped being left the next day of the 2015 referendum. They just use "left" wording, while continuing exactly the same road as pretty much any government before.


That's the destiny of EVERY far-left party when becoming a governing, ruling party. They can't progress with their socialist agenda in highly globalized, capitalist world. Unless they completely alienate & cut the country from the outside world. Like the socialists in Venezuela have done. And we can see now how "well" have that worked.

Same case with far-right protectionist & exclusivist & nacionalist "me first" BS agenda.

Extreme, fringe, niche ideas just don't work well in mainstream globalized unified world. Especially not when the country depends on foreign (capital) investments & fiscal financing in foreign capital markets. Otherwise foreign capital markets & investors abandon you - and your country, standard, your freedom, your safety, your future goes down the drain. Money still runs the world.

Greek political elite - incl. the new one - overestimated the "importance" of Greece. Just like any other disillusioned ruling politician or ruling political force (left or right) in any other country did when steering away from the mainstream. It's sort of "peer pressure". A social corrective - when the mainstream is sound. But when the extremes prevail the peer pressure than becomes a force of disruption. And disruption almost always leads to chaos. To the joy of every anarchist. And mafia & warlords.
 
Relax man. You take a lot of thing to seriously. Being green and having a strong leftist focus has been in their roots since their were founded. And I'm sorry for you to say, but some points of their agenda do do make sense for me. Here in Germany we have such a strong, almost unregulated livestock breeding were tons of antibiotics are being used every day to keep all the animals grow in the stocks extremly fast. For which reason? All this nitr...

Don't misunderstand me, I do agree with some of the demands of the Greens including a public smoking ban and better treatment for animals. Those are honorable and worthy causes.

But that's all I agree with.

Their crazy demands to ban this and that and literally force us to live like Neanderthals just infuriates me. I don't like it when people tell me how I should live. Who do they think they are? A religion? Well to me they are more like a cult.

In a recent article on Welt.de I was informed that the Greens now want to introduce a Digitalsteuer... what is that? It sounds terrible and it sounds like something that will hinder the Digitalisierung of Germany, which is already being hampered by the terrible garbage that is the DSGVO - another thing which we predominantly have the Green Party to thank for (Jan Philipp Albrecht).

Like I said, I can agree with a handful of their demands, but that's it. They are a political party which I despise.
 
Europe Elects

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Germany: INSA poll: AfD (EFDD) second strongest party.
#Chemnitz0109
#Chemniz
#Umfrage
#AfD
 
Europe Elects

@EuropeElects
Germany: INSA poll: AfD (EFDD) second strongest party.
#Chemnitz0109
#Chemniz
#Umfrage
#AfD

The AfD is now benefitting from the rapidly increasing frustration with Merkels' impotent, pathetically evasive coalition government, the haughty, didactic narrative of the public media and the nauseating, schoolmasterly lecturing by The Greens and the far-left Die Linke. And thus, the AfD is being instrumentalized as a vehicle for protest. But they are light years away from being what their name propagates (Alternative für Deutschland)-and are simply imflammatory right-wing populists devoid of the slightest trace of a rational, pragmatic political agenda.

It is immensely sad that there seems to be nothing encouraging on the horizon. Personally, I had hoped for a CSU/maverick CDU conservatives-led breakaway modern conservative movement. But alas, the CSU has done a fine job of torpedoing themselves over the past few months. And the inner-party conservative, highly Merkel critical CDU "Werte-Union" appears to consist of eunuchs.

So sad.
 
The events in Chemnitz and the lies the media are reporting about it have proven to me that ARD and ZDF etc. can no longer be trusted as a reliable and truthful source of information.

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Merkel is coming to town...Should be interesting.


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:D
 

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