Vs F90 M5 vs W213 E63 S AMG (Drag Race)
Good to see it active again, even though it's a bit one sided right now
Good point. The MB lads are in trouble when that BenchM5ark fella has finished his homework and he's allowed back on his computer.
Frankie G
Premium
Not necessarily @Tarek
Having sampled both cars (albeit on different days and unfamiliar locations) I wouldn't say the 5er is 'preferred in the media' simply because of newer engines used in a newer car because there are many more factors taken into consideration when rating such comparisons.
I certainly don't think BMW's 2.0d is in any way superior to the equivalent engine used in the E220d yet the 520d has come in for more acclaim because of other attributes already listed in those comparisons.
@speed_kills Agreed, the M760Li has posted nigh-on identical quarter mile times on that strip of tarmac with the same driver on 4 different occasions yet BMW claim the M5 to be quicker? That's a question for M to answer but like @LaArtist and @klier have already said...on THIS same day, same location, same conditions, side-by-side the E63S was the quicker car. And the races were quite conclusive especially from a standing start. And anyone stating that once up and running the M5 would eventually catch and surpass the Merc...well, we all saw the rolling race for ourselves.
No doubt there will be more tests and no doubt there will be differing results. It still wouldn't change my mind on where my money would go..and that would be the M5 of course.
WAND
Oversteer Expert
If there was VSC, M5 woud won.
Grosser
Stuttgart Specialist
Frankie G
Premium
Wow, zero chills felt for this guy..lol. He must've annoyed quite a few on here
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Well played sir.
It would be second only to a Ferrari though.
Tarek
Cornering Kingpin
You have no idea haha.
Yeah, it's nothing like the level of professional, weapons grade, feculant troll bull-shit that we get from some entrenched members - but Hova has come a cropper from backing BMW's play no matter what, and sadly on that day, in those conditions, with those cars... carwow made a video, and it didn't work out.
Damn, such an obvious joke yet I missed it!
MB and BMW fanboys arguing on a forum about which is the faster car is as futile as two bald men fighting over a comb.
sako97
Autotechnik Ace
It's been maybe 2 years to see a proper active thread in Internal Combustion. I had nearly forgotten this place
Good to see it active again, even though it's a bit one sided right now
The M5 Competition may very will swing the ball back into the MB fanclub's court though... and all thread paricipants will have to show up to that judgement day: part deux thread to defend their "honor"
What's the competition to the normal E63 then.
Would it be the M550I? If that is the case where does the E43 stand and compete with.
The M5 just looses it like a bad American Idol wannabe competitor when programmed in sport-mode with 4-wheel traction. The E63s smokes it badly in M5 best mode.
It might what you mention in combination with the M5s lower torque band. I believe in real world condition the E63s will be faster in like conditions especially as the speeds increase.
martinbo
Staff member
The E63S does not have a dual clutch transmission (DCT). It has a wet start-up clutch in place of a torque converter but for the rest the transmission is fundamentally a traditional automatic in the same vein as the ZF8HP in the M5 which uses a quick-locking torque converter. Agreed that 850 Nm + 9 gears will give the AMG a significant advantage in the wheel torque department.
Regardless, the M5 got owned by the E63S in this particular straightline shootout. Hasn't it been like that for ever? Best Internal Combustion thread in years.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Nuts, one single video out of many to come and the thread turns into this, typical GCF 
I'm no dyno expert but I read about a independet dyno test regarding the new M5. What I understand from the discussion about the dynotest, power is not what BMW claims, it's lower. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Dynojet results:
450 RWHP/481 RWTQ
471 AWHP/509 AWTQ
I'm no dyno expert but I read about a independet dyno test regarding the new M5. What I understand from the discussion about the dynotest, power is not what BMW claims, it's lower. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Dynojet results:
450 RWHP/481 RWTQ
471 AWHP/509 AWTQ
Nuts, one single video out of many to come and the thread turns into this, typical GCF
I'm no dyno expert but I read about a independet dyno test regarding the new M5. What I understand from the discussion about the dynotest, power is not what BMW claims, it's lower. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Dynojet results:
450 RWHP/481 RWTQ
471 AWHP/509 AWTQ
Dyno results are like drag races, IMHO - same day, same time relative comparisons are valid but to use the results in an 'absolute' way is inviting inaccuracy. Besides that.. BMW's quoted numbers will be from an engine dyno, they are most likely reasonably accurate. Aftermarket dyno pulls then measure power at the wheels, if the drivetrain losses were 25% then 450WHP would easily translate to 600 ponies coming out of the engine - but BMW don't make any promises when it comes to wheel horsepower or drive train losses. From what I know people use a 'rule of thumb' to allow for losses and converting WHP to engine HP, but I'd have to question of this rule of thumb is effective with the complexity of power trains like these modern super-saloons have.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Jesus, I just heard there is a video of an M5 getting it’s ass handed to itself by an American SUV...
The jeeep Cherokee nighthawk, nightbeast whatver.
I can not post the video as I do not want to be responsible for the mental consequences to the BMW community.
This is so sad
The jeeep Cherokee nighthawk, nightbeast whatver.
I can not post the video as I do not want to be responsible for the mental consequences to the BMW community.
This is so sad
Tarek
Cornering Kingpin
The M5 Competition may very will swing the ball back into the MB fanclub's court though... and all thread paricipants will have to show up to that judgement day: part deux thread to defend their "honor"
We will fight back with the 640hp GT 4DC..
