7 Series (F01) F01/02 760i/Li revelead

[PanterroR]

Problem is that those unimpressed mostly care about the looks and that's saddest thing...

This car is much more than looks. Simple as that.

 

[SKY]

Problem is that those unimpressed mostly care about the looks and that's saddest thing...

This car is much more than looks. Simple as that.

That´s it.

 

[Sayyaaf]

^ yes Sasha you are right, I mean we are enthusiastic drivers and usually women are more worried about styling. Or simply thats just me trying to justify my purschase of the ugly Panamera

 

[Zafiro]

Well dont be blind and recognize that REGULAR BMW fans arent to thrilled by this..
so dont put the shit on me and luw..just cause 80% are unimpressed..

Lol I didnt mention any names so why take it personal? When you are upset you get very emotional, haha.
Personally I'm not thrilled about the exterior either. But I like the new V12. Its lightyears ahead of the old unit.

 

[PanterroR]

^ yes Sasha you are right, I mean we are enthusiastic drivers actually and usually women are more worried about styling. Or simply thats just me trying to justify my purschase of the ugly Panamera

My friend, you for sure didn't buy Panamera because it's beautiful (which isn't actually the case), you've bought that car for it's other 10000 qualities and that's why you have my respect.

 

[Mr Robert]

Before BMW fans begin making a Centurion Voodoo doll and poke it with needles, I'm critical to all cars. I've even slammed Mercedes for their new E-Coupe I don't approve of, quad fogs I despise, double slant bars on the new S600 etc. In other words I don't blindly fall in love with everything from Mercedes.

I agree, what would the forum be if it was not for true fans! A true fan will never stop critisizing his or her favourite brand if it does not live up to the expectations.

I pride myself in being extremely whiny about BMW

 

[Potential]

80% unimpressed? That's a bit pretentious. There is a fine line between unimpressed and wanting more that is often poorly judged on this forum. There is nothing unimpressive about the 7 Series, nor for that matter the FL S Class. Both however, leave myself and I dare say others wanting in regards to our personal opinions. For myself a more distinctive BMW flagship would not go astray and I would be most pleased to see MB rid the fabolous S Class of those vulgar wheel arches...

 

[EnI]

I think it is very amusing that 750 Nm is regarded as way to little in a car like the 7-series...

Indeed. V12 engine in E65 760i produced 600Nm of torque, and nobody thought it was not enough.

And now 750Nm isn't enough?

Now when the new V12 TT by BMW produces more power than MB V12 TT - now MB fans started to complain about "insufficient" torque produced by BMW engine.

Typical.

Of course S-class beats 7er. It has LEDs, WOW!
Btw, as you can see BMW went different way with F01 - again more emphasis on agility & sportiness, and sporty-luxury feeling inside. Moving away from S-class fighting E65. BMW customers gave the company a clear signal: they wanted a proper BMW large luxury sedan: an alternative to, not a substitute for S-class.

 

[LaArtist]

Lol reading the last posts i gather that im a emotional woman..who likes design..
And loves MB and hates everything else..

Nice profile

 

[Centurion]

Indeed. V12 engine in E65 760i produced 600Nm of torque, and nobody thought it was not enough.

And now 750Nm isn't enough?

Now when the new V12 TT by BMW produces more power than MB V12 TT - now MB fans started to complain about "insufficient" torque produced by BMW engine.

Typical.

Of course S-class beats 7er. It has LEDs, WOW!

These are exceptionally heavy and comfortable cruisers we're talking about. Torque has a much higher importance than HP. Effortless power delivery is the key and not top speed. BMW's engine philosophy has a better advantage for smaller cars like the 3er and 5er where HP output has a priority over torque. This is why the S600 has such prestige, it offer a powerful but yet incredibly relaxed experience.

 

[PanterroR]

750Nm available from 1500rpm ain't enough?

 

[Zafiro]

These are exceptionally heavy and comfortable cruisers we're talking about. Torque has a much higher importance than HP. .

But complaining and moaning on an engine developing "only" 750nm@1500-5000 rpm is just retarded.
No one after driving a 760i is ever going to say "this car is slow , we need more Hp and Torque". City and Autobahn driving will be effortless.

 

[PanterroR]

No one after driving a 760i is ever going to say "this car is slow , we need more Hp and Torque".

EXACTLY!!

 

[SCOTT27]

The 7er and the S-Klasse are entirely different competitors .
The BMW is the more dynamic choice and is therefore more sporty to drive, whereas the S-Klasse is all about the smoothness of the ride and comfort for the passenger.

Anyway the BMW V12 was offered to Mercedes-Benz but this was not powerful enough for their customers needs. BMW claims that substancial power and better efficiency is what premium luxury segment cars need more of today.

But they were not convinced.

Also a little observation for the Mercedes-Benz boys.
Do you actually like the E-Klasse or S-Klasse ? It's just that the comments raise to the fact that the car only works in the AMG Sportpacket to many of you , especially with the E-Klasse in it's intentional design without the sportpacket you seem to disapprove?
And now I have noticed the same comments regarding the base S-Klasse models , especially with the quad fog lights.
So what is it do you like the car in it's basic form or do you think that it needs the sport packet to realise it's intention ?
Otherwise the designers have failed whereas the tailors who dress the car in it's sportpacket have succeeded.

So which is it?

Enjoy your day.

 

[Sunny]

And it probably makes more toque at the rear wheels cause of the extra gears.

 

[LaArtist]

The 7er and the S-Klasse are entirely different competitors .
The BMW is the more dynamic choice and is therefore more sporty to drive, whereas the S-Klasse is all about the smoothness of the ride and comfort for the passenger.

Anyway the BMW V12 was offered to Mercedes-Benz but this was not powerful enough for their customers needs. BMW claims that substancial power and better efficiency is what premium luxury segment cars need more of today.

But they were not convinced.

Also a little observation for the Mercedes-Benz boys.
Do you actually like the E-Klasse or S-Klasse ? It's just that the comments raise to the fact that the car only works in the AMG Sportpacket to many of you , especially with the E-Klasse in it's intentional design without the sportpacket you seem to disapprove?
And now I have noticed the same comments regarding the base S-Klasse models , especially with the quad fog lights.
So what is it do you like the car in it's basic form or do you think that it needs the sport packet to realise it's intention ?
Otherwise the designers have failed whereas the tailors who dress the car in it's sportpacket have succeeded.

So which is it?

Enjoy your day.

I love the new E in normal mode..i actually dont like the rear treatment of the AMG package.. so Avantgarde all the way for the E

The S looks great now without AMG package, before it DID NOT.. but this new AMG package is stunning..so it makes the car look even better..

So no neither of these new sedans need AMG package..
But i want it for the S cause its smashing..
And no thanx to E AMG..

 

[Centurion]

But complaining and moaning on an engine developing "only" 750nm@1500-5000 rpm is just retarded.
No one after driving a 760i is ever going to say "this car is slow , we need more Hp and Torque". City and Autobahn driving will be effortless.

Once again you're missing the point. Like I mentioned earlier horse power and rocket speed isn't the main argument for buying an S600, it's only you BMW fans that keep bringing up HP. It's a car bought for maximum comfort and convince with minimal drama and stress. Three fully grown men should be able to enjoy a quiet and jerk free journey without the driving having to floor the gas pedal just to get the car to take off instantly with minimal engine noise and stress.

More torque = Less engine drama to get the car moving = less noise and less jerk = more comfortable ride

No one has claimed that 748Nm is minimal. The point is that it's a clear disadvantage over 830Nm.

 

[Zafiro]

Three fully grown men should be able to enjoy a quiet and jerk free journey without the driving having to floor the gas pedal just to get the car to take off instantly with minimal engine noise and stress.

Ok, I write this again and it has nothing to do with HP, you saying 750 NM between 1500-5000 rpm is too little?
the things you mention above, that cant be done with this engine ?
clear disadvantage over 830nm? thats bullshit. I often respect your opinions but now you are just throwing around poop. I guess a MB S500 with with 388hp/530nm is garbage then.

The point is 750nm@1500-5000 rpm is fully enough and no one is going to complain it lacks torque.

 

[PanterroR]

More torque = Less engine drama to get the car moving = less noise and less jerk = more comfortable ride

I repeat my question: Aren't those 750Nm at 1500rpm enough to get the car moving, to accellerate like crazy and to have comfortable ride??

No one has claimed that 748Nm is minimal. The point is that it's a clear disadvantage over 830Nm.

80Nm are hardly some big disadvantage, you make it sound like it has 800 less...

I say let's wait for some proper test to see how fast, comfortable, etc the car is...

 

[EnI]

Once again you're missing the point. Like I mentioned earlier horse power and rocket speed isn't the main argument for buying an S600, it's only you BMW fans that keep bringing up HP. It's a car bought for maximum comfort and convince with minimal drama and stress. Three fully grown men should be able to enjoy a quiet and jerk free journey without the driving having to floor the gas pedal just to get the car to take off instantly with minimal engine noise and stress.

More torque = Less engine drama to get the car moving = less noise and less jerk = more comfortable ride

No one has claimed that 748Nm is minimal. The point is that it's a clear disadvantage over 830Nm.

As said before: 7er is an ALTERNATIVE to S-class, NOT a SUBSTITUTE.

Do you think all people in Russia or ME buy V12 engined cars for comfort & cruising purposes? Some want a bit more punch - that's why the either buy an AMG version of MB, a BMW, an Audi, a Bentley, or a Porsche etc.

Saying people in this segment go for ultimate comfort only is not right. Most do, but not all of them: and those have above mentioned alternatives to chose from.