Concept BMW GINA Light Vision

[SKY]

It has good details, like the car adapting itself to the driver, but somo other thigns, like the lights desing are out of place, cool for a prototipe, but ugly for a real car.

Also it is good to see that BMW is changing their view of "all in one" that started with the Z9 and its revolutionary iDrive. You only have to look at the CS concept to see where the right way is. No big displays anymore, Head UP Display is all we need, GPS, car information... All can be displayed by the proyector.

I remember first time i see E65 interior, i thought "Where are all the buttons?". And even today, i still thinking that E38/E39 interiors, or the more actuals 1er and 3er ones (without iDrive) are better than the original BMW idea of no buttons.

 

[SCOTT27]

The Concept is from a few years ago built over the Z8 alloy spaceframe which eventually transformed into the Rolls-Royce Phantom.
But the actual design is very much this season.

You question what does this have to do with " Efficient Dynamics" ?

Well aerodynamics are either a hinder or helpful to proving efficiency , especially around the shape of the car , By literally changing the form and flow of the body you can receive greater improvements in fuel consumption therefore improving efficiency.

Look now to why I said M Division will be the "Pinnacle" of " Efficient Dynamics" we know what we want to do . Now imagine further down the road a BMW Supercar - 0 emissions and GINA like format body panels , That alter the shape of the car - innovative , Ground breaking - A TALKING POINT.

Remember we have also showed off on the Vision X5 - Special aerodynamic wheels (That will be available in production cars- Efficient Dynamics Phase II)
this is what we want to do with the segment and yes the technology is being adapted further. Movable aerodynamics under cars to improve airflow? All being developed for production cars.

As for the look , There are elements of what the Z-series will inherit , The rear offers a more exaggerated but similar approach to the next Z4 Roadster as does the front end with it's snake -eye slits offering animalistic feeling to the front of the car and as you can see the beginning of the 3-D design for the twin BMW grille. I think you will find that it does work rather well in the integration of the front design. I still remember the nasty comments when I suggested it many moons ago.

 

[south]

Look now to why I said M Division will be the "Pinnacle" of " Efficient Dynamics" we know what we want to do . Now imagine further down the road a BMW Supercar - 0 emissions and GINA like format body panels , That alter the shape of the car - innovative , Ground breaking - A TALKING POINT.

Great.

BTW: What's the connection between GINA and the M1 Hommage? I saw the M1 on the pin board behind Chris Bangle in the video.


Best regards, south

 

[EnI]

Gina is an 'old' concept, it was just not shown in public until now (according to German 'Auto Motor und Sport' also German Focus Magazine).
Even in the Q&A article posted above it says ...Gina influenced the design of the Z4 Coupe bonnet....so its probably around 5 years old....
Still ...the front headlights shape and characterline (the one going from the side to the grille ) is probably silmilar to the upcoming Z4

Indeed.

Chris is younger, and Anders (Warming) is still a "boy" & still had plenty of hair in those pics.
Also Herr Thomas Plath (head of Advanced Design Studio) is still grey-hair-free.

Btw, just like E85 Z4 & Mille Miglia 2006 Concept also GINA Light was penned by Anders Warming (now influential head of exterior design BMW Automobile, before that: design team leader in BMW Advanced Design Studio).

So, looking at those pics I can say they were made before 2003 (when Warming left for VW/Audi - coming back to BMW in 2005). Eg. Anders was in Munich in years 1999 & 2000. Before & after he was in Newbury Park studios.

 

[SDNR]

What impact did GINA have initially on the company ?

It was like a lightening rod triggering discussions on where this could lead in terms of production and manufacturing. We questioned if mass assembly is the only way. It lead to rapid manufacturing, a way of digitally creating car parts for a fraction of the cost, that were stiffer and it made them available to more customers which we never thought we could do.
The bonnet of the Z4 M was our first digitally produced piece of hardware for a production car. This technology is called GBK, GINA im Blechkleid, or GINA in metal cloths.

Rapid manufacturing is a big topic right now. Customized parts can be made directly from the desk top to the final product in only a few hours.

This technique (below) is known as Stereolithography. it is essentially a vat of liquid resin that reacts and solidifies when the UV-laser hits it. It builds up a 3D product one layer at a time.

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Has GINA influenced BMW design ?

Absolutely. When you enter GINA, the car wakes up around you and you can choose what functions to display. The BMW iDrive system is about the spirit of the GINA philosophy.
Also, the team worked with an origami master to explore ways of giving metal the origami treatment. In the Mille Miglia concept interior, for example, we have created a 3D structure from 2D sheets using special laser cutting and folding processes.

This is what I PMed you about Tine -- the structural aspects of Bangle's design ideas.

I have a great interest in structural engineering ...especally when art and engineering are working in perfect harmony.

 

[EnI]

Few years ago Dr. Goeschel (ex-chief of development) said BMW decided to enter high-end sailing team, and acquired an F1 team also to get the expertise in rapid prototyping & manufacturing among other things.




PS: this GINA concept is so radical & futuristic - even today, in 2008. Now imagine the reaction if this concept had been shown in 2002. Scary!

 

[Yaz]

Screw the CS, this is SICK!

Well done BMW.

 

[SDNR]

^ LOL Yaz.

But I still think the CS is one of the most exciting concept vehicles I have ever seen.

 

[EMpower]

Does this mean there will be a production version of this car or a derivative some day? How practical will the fabric surface be on the road at 150mph+? Or it will be just for track driving?

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Few years ago Dr. Goeschel (ex-chief of development) said BMW decided to enter high-end sailing team, and acquired an F1 team also to get the expertise in rapid prototyping & manufacturing among other things.

WOW... and here I was thinking BMW's involvements in yatch racing was purely a brand-enhancing strategy.

The fact that this concept is already a few years old when it was penned, this is crazy stuff!! Amazing to say the least.

The vision that BMW possess is incredible. Unlike many company's who only have vision in one aspect (eg: fuel efficiency) BMW has such forward-looking vision in efficiency, design/styling, engineering and manufacturing. This is why I'm a BMW enthusiast..not just their vehicles, but how the company operates.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

^ LOL Yaz.

But I still think the CS is one of the most exciting concept vehicles I have ever seen.

I definitely agree, especially after having seen the CS in the metal. BMW do well in creating two different levels of concepts. The CS style of concepts are more focused on an upcoming model, whereas GINA type concepts are more design and engineering studies highlighting BMW's vision. MB does this well too.

Gotta say I love the H2R inspiration for the hood of the car, especially how it buldges in the middle and then drops-off towards the front of the car creating a very aerodynamic and aggressive stance.
Also, the new 3D inverted kidneys looks very very impressive, ...so aggressive, but still keeps the traditional kidney shape within. This 3D inverted kidney grille would have looks awesome on the new X5 and X6 had BMW been brave enough to do so..but nonetheless, it's very interesting to see that CS preview BMW's wide-and-round kidney look for their more core and luxury focused models, and then to showcase this new 3D inverted kidneys for their more sports-focused vehicles such as the upcoming Z-series of vehicles.

 

[Bartek S.]

Very interesting project. Extremely futuristic and innovative. Flexible textile is the greatest idea. Well done Mr. Bangle.

 

[bum-man]

Well I can honestly say I hated up until I saw that video, very cool.

 

[klier]

So that perfectly explains the old ugly interior of the GINA Concept car.....just as I showed in my pictures a few pages back. The design of the interior of GINA is EXTREMELY dated for BMW, they would never do that again. Concept CS is the new interior idea.
Gina is from the early Bangle years.

 

[SCOTT27]

Why Now?

Well what you have to realise that after a BMW model is introduced , The design department then get to work on the next one, that is why you see some simultaneous developments here on the next Z4 .

the wheels you see here on the Concept will also be available for the next Z4 although not in this size. But the proportions from the rear showcase the tautness and width of the next car. In which with the current car without 18" wheels the body looks top heavy.

As for the format of GINA it is not too far into the future as you think.
One of the most interesting developments of this idea is how BMW's engineers have developed : BMW Activeaerodynamik - Moveable body panels that can create more or less flow over a car ( This is more than just a spoiler that adjusts to speed) But Body panels that can adjust to improve downforce and improve efficiency. GINA is the teaser , eventually you will see something further down the line that takes the idea to the feasible.

It is not a question of If BMW do a supercar but when - But It is not going to be anytime soon but it will not be as you expect. Which is what myself and Eni have been saying all along.

BMW are not like any other Car company.

 

[Shakal]

Re: Officiall: BMW GINA Light Vision

PS: I've been just informed GINA features design cues of all upcoming Z models: Z4, Z2 & Z8!!! It's a Z-preview in general! And finally the new upturned 3D kidney grilles are being presented!

So can we expect those 3D kidney grilles on new Z4 ? Becouse kidney grilles on Z4 FEP looks different - classic.

 

[Centurion]

Although the use of fabrics is interested I wonder if the fabric won't lead to a lot of unnecessary drag, especially after being worn out by rain, wind, grain and such.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Why Now?

Well what you have to realise that after a BMW model is introduced , The design department then get to work on the next one...

Makes you wonder what the designers are penning right now as we look in amazement at this 'old' design.

Also, I'm curious as to what the designers think at this 'wow' reaction to their old designs and whether they stand there and think 'if only the public knew what we're designing and researching right now'.


BMW as a company never stand still, never are complacement, and are never satisfied with where they're at.. they always seem to be striving to go further, and it's amazing how much faith and confidence they have in their managerial decisions, their designers, engineers, and their overall business culture and brand philosophy.

 

[klier]

Re: Officiall: BMW GINA Light Vision

So can we expect those 3D kidney grilles on new Z4 ? Becouse kidney grilles on Z4 FEP looks different - classic.

Maybe Z8, not Z4. We can pretty much see how the Z4's going to look. Long and narrow grille in sharkfin fashion.



Auto Motor und Sport

Neu ist GINA allerdings nicht. Das Visionsmodell enstand schon lange vor den aktuellen Z4-Modellen, die zahlreiche Produktionstechniken der Vision übernommen haben. BMW nutzt lediglich die Gunst der Stunde und kombiniert deren Coming-Out mit der Eröffnung des neuen Museums.

BMW GINA is freaking 10 years old....
I KNEW I was right about the looks of the interior. It's looking like that because it's very old. That's the sole reason.

 

[Cashmere]

Re: Officiall: BMW GINA Light Vision

I was rather disappointed with the pics until I saw the video and the whole theory of the GINA. It is such a remarkable step forward, I am completely dumbstruck. I definitely never saw this coming in my lifetime.

The best part is that this concept/idea is so old, one can only imagine what kind of things they are working on as we speak.