5 Series (F10) BMW F10 5er - press drives & reviews


The BMW F10 is the sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series. Body styles: F10 (sedan), F11 (wagon), F07 (fastback), F18 (LWB sedan). Predecessor: 5 Series (E60), Successor: 5 Series (G30). Production: 2010–2017.
I think that is the way to go. You will also have to find a model that is light enough.


Sure 5er is not a track car. But I guess when somebody needs a really agile car he / she won't look at executive class at all, don't you think?

Not many 5er buyers go to track, or perform slalom twists just for fun. :usa7uh:
 
Sure 5er is not a track car. But I guess when somebody needs a really agile car he / she won't look at executive class at all, don't you think?

Not many 5er buyers go to track, or perform slalom twists just for fun. :usa7uh:

No, as a track tool it must be regarded as quite out of its waters. I was thinking more in general terms.

From what I have understood from the reviews, the 5-series hides its weight very well.
 
From the reviews, the F10 is as dynamic as a 3er and even better than the E60.

The reviewers would of drove the car at Estoril - a former F1 race track. And from what i've read, the car has done quite well.
 
Exactly. Not that the car is not agile enough - since almost all journalists do acknowledge the car drives like a compact car. Just like it was said for the 7er it drives & feels more like a 5er in driving dynamics.

The brakes are good, engine powerful & responsive, transmission smooth & effective, steering direct, suspension well balanced.

What the car lacks is - so say some journalists - is the raw driving excitement known from older BMW models. The "problem" seems to be the car is a bit too refined & too balanced for a "proper" BMW. Meaning: the car feels more refined thus more "numb" and "artificial". Compared to eg. predecessor. But that doesn't mean it feels so compared to the rivals - the BMW still delivers more crisp compared to the closest rivals.

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But that doesn't mean it feels so compared to the rivals - the BMW still delivers more crisp compared to the closest rivals.

:t-cheers:

To many, the only real competition is BMW.

I guess the 5-series will do just fine even if it is not exciting to drive. Maybe it is time to take another look at the 5 GT, sat in one again today and it is a really good place to be. Too bad it costs just a tad less than the 7-series...
 
^^

Whatcar.com said something similar, saying the Bee Em is less dynamic but they loved everything else :usa7uh:
Yeah in the overall rating they say this on the minus-side:
Against You can't please everyone and no doubt diehard BMW enthusiasts will bemoan the latest Five's toned down dynamics.

Yet they give it full five stars on the "Ride & Handling" section:

The latest Five is a smooth rider, but it's also extremely agile. It feels supple over poorly repaired surfaces and develops a cushy luxury car gait as speeds increase. Show it a twisty road and the accurate steering, strong grip and superb body control will make you think you're driving a much smaller car.

BMW 5 Series Saloon - Full Review - New Car Review - What Car?

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^^^ Contradictions for the sake of controversy.

I agree with most others here, first drives are no good, not even if they are positive. We have to wait for proper tests for more definitive results. Right now, all journalists are basicly shouting "we have driven the new 5er", and that's about it....
 
Yes, the journalists expect the every new Mk of BMW model to deliver more pure, more raw & more exciting driving feeling, and car not growing in size, not being heavier etc.

But on the other hand the customers demand (so the internal researches & feedbacks) more refined & composed & balanced car with every new Mk. Also expecting more room. And more solid feel on the road.

So ... who do you guys think BMW have an interest to please: the customers, or the journalists? :usa7uh:
 
Point is, not everyone has to like it.

If 1,000 potential buyers does not want BMW to be less BMW, that does, like EnI points out, not matter since 10,000 other potential buyers wants the cars to become less BMW. However, that does not mean that the aforementioned 1,000 customers are wrong, it is just that BMW has nothing for them but to go M.
 
Point is, not everyone has to like it.


Not at all. Only the majority. :usa7uh:

Point is the crowd demanding the more refined car is much larger every year then the the others who demand sportier car. And BMW simply can't ignore that.

Even M5 will be more refined - much more pleasant for daily city driving than the current car. Yet it will be more Dr Jekyll / Mr Hyde type of car. A car with double personality. Standard vs M mode. With quite a difference between the modes. Civil vs racing.

But it's sure BMW are loosing some hard-core aficionados in some segments since the cars are getting more refined - but the new customers outnumber the ones leaving BMW for the mentioned reason. But the competition is limited in a certain price segment.

Sure the difference in character & aim between eg. E34 and F10 is enormous. And so are the (majority) customer preferences & demands.

Mind in the past (before yuppies discovered BMW) BMW customers were more hard-core driving enthusiasts. But with years more luxury buyers (still the ones with sporty preferences) have come to BMW - yet the were not as hard-core as existent customers. And today hard-core aficionados are a minority - catered with cars like is, M, PP, CSL, GTS. While for the vast majority of others standard cars are more then enough sporty.

Yes, compared to past BMWs today's BMW cars are much more refined & less raw - and therefore to some less fun to drive. But to vast majority today's cars are enough exciting to drive. Since their demand & expectation are lower / different than the ones of past customers.

So, BMW is "sacrifying driving pleasure" because customers demand so, and they are satisfied with sporty level delivers in new cars.

To put it this way: the ratio between sport & comfort is changing. More comfort with years on expense of sport. But that's the ratio customers demand. If the Company / brand does not follow customer demand & needs, it fails. Offering as raw cars today as the E34 was would mean much lower BMW sales - at the same prices as today. For the sake of what? History? Brand integrity?

Mind brand is something that helps selling products, and selling products - and so making a profit - is the main goal of a business. Not the guarding the brand values of the past.

Everything is evolving. And so is the brand. It exists within a certain time. It's flexible, not rigid. It's relative, not absolute. The core values are not changing, but the interpretation of these values does. And that's time & place dependent.

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Another review from CarAdvice:

http://http://www.caradvice.com.au/54451/2010-bmw-5-series-review-550i-535i-520d-528i-523i/

Note the following:

For all the joy the engine and transmission produce, it pales in comparison to the car’s handling and braking, which are remarkable. The new 5 Series features an all-new suspension system, electric power steering (for the first time in this segment) and integral active steering. All combined, these advances put the 5 Series even further into the class lead in terms of handling prowess. Around the track and around town, the 535i carved turns like a sedan half its size.

The system, in conjunction with the suspension, produces a truly great ride.

With the traction control switched off, the rear-wheel drive sedan showed incredible poise, tail gliding out happily through the first part of the corner, then swinging back easily for the final part.

The electric power steering is another significant step forward for BMW; unlike some systems used by certain cars, the steering on the 535i is incredibly solid and direct. Thus, a company tradition for superb steering feel is maintained, while greater efficiency is added to the picture.

The 2011 BMW 535i is a return to that which established the Munich firm as a maker of true enthusiast cars: a rear-wheel drive sedan with impeccable handling characteristics powered by an inline 6-cylinder engine.




After reading the car's reviews, i find it very hard to fault. The only complaint i have is the car's heavier weight compared to the predecessor, but ultmately the car's weight is nothing more than a just figure because you can't feel the compromise or any detrimental effects on it's performance and efficiency.
 
Nice review, the reader comments were interesting though, most did not seem to like the looks of the car. The link does not work for the full article, here is the correct one: http://www.caradvice.com.au/54451/2010-bmw-5-series-review-550i-535i-520d-528i-523i/
 
Nice review, the reader comments were interesting though, most did not seem to like the looks of the car. The link does not work for the full article, here is the correct one: http://www.caradvice.com.au/54451/2010-bmw-5-series-review-550i-535i-520d-528i-523i/

Same thing when E60 came to the market, too busy, too many lines, ugly were the comments. Whatever BMW does there will always be someone complaining. There are people who says the same about E-class.
The new 5 is going to sell very well despite some internet kids and their comments.
 
The new 5 is going to sell very well.

May i also add that it will also be very profitable. The margins on this thing are huge. The commonality amongst the F01, F07, F10-F13 in development, purchasing and production will mean that the high technology expenditure will be spread across a very diverse base. Imagine that, this thing will lift the BMW image and be a cash-cow at the same time - thats so rare in this industry.

BMW may not have taken the same level of risks as they did with the E60 (through its design), but its execution has been almost flawless. For that, this car deserves to succeed.
 
The new F10 5er is the best car ever made in the whole wide world.

It sucks for MB fans who think that title belongs to the S-class, but they couldn't be more wrong.
 
The new F10 5er is the best car ever made in the whole wide world.

It sucks for MB fans who think that title belongs to the S-class, but they couldn't be more wrong.

In your opinion. The 5er is a great car, but not the best car "ever made in the whole wide world," at least IMO.
 
The new F10 5er is the best car ever made in the whole wide world.

It sucks for MB fans who think that title belongs to the S-class, but they couldn't be more wrong.

C'mon Klier, it's not been properly tested yet, so keep your biased comments based on nothing for you. It's not funny any more.
 
C'mon Klier, it's not been properly tested yet, so keep your biased comments based on nothing for you. It's not funny any more.

To be honest, the scary thing is that it's hard to tell whether Klier is joking or not. Sure, he'll reply and say he was just having a joke. But the comments he made could well be 100% serious.
 
The new F10 5er is the best car ever made in the whole wide world.

It sucks for MB fans who think that title belongs to the S-class, but they couldn't be more wrong.

i believe that each of us have his own opinion, some toyota fans might think that this title belongs to carolla.:t-crazy2:
so what your saying is not a fact. its also coming from a bmw fan.:cool:
 
Yes the new 5 is the bestest car in the whole wide world ever. It will be delivered to your doorstep by flying unicorns and come with a lifetime supply of cotton candy. *YAY*
 

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