BMW E82 1er M Coupe (Spy pics & Info)

[chonkoa]

I just watched the bmw press conference.

My word a boring 1 serie a boring mini and 2 boring 5 series etc nothing that touches my emotion with the brand bmw.

I think the time is getting right for change to a sportier brand. The green agenda and efficent dynamics is so extremely overdone. Driving a bmw was always an emotion. But this i can t take it anymore.

I agree, and it seems Audi is that brand.

 

[LaArtist]

That board member excuse is pure bullshit

 

[rollo]

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Best regards,
south

Sorry if it offended you south, I very much appreciate your input here the vast majority of the time. I realize that you didn't post SCOTT's input here, but it's pure fiction.

I agree, and it seems Audi is that brand.

Agree sadly, lets earn more so we can add Porsche as well!

 

[chonkoa]

Agree sadly, lets earn more so we can add Porsche as well!

Sounds like a plan.

 

[AdvEvo]

It s so disspointing.

The bmw brand get each year furter away from it s sporty/motorsport image.

 

[klier]

BMW fans being angry at BMW yet again because a supposed insider comes yet again through with the wrong info hyping up the whole place and then not delivering...

Don't blame BMW guys, the show is good as it is, with plenty of premieres. FL X5, FL 3er coupe, Performance X6, Z4 35is, F10 5er, 5er ActiveHybrid. That alone is a decent show. It's not BMW's fault. There has been absolutely NOTHING about the M1 being in Geneva in the media. Only on fanboy forums where nothing is ever official.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

BMW fans being angry at BMW yet again because a supposed insider comes yet again through with the wrong info hyping up the whole place and then not delivering...

Don't blame BMW guys,

Er....who does Scott work for? It's "creative marketing" isn't it? Are we not constantly told that it's a viable method, as justified as TV adverts, billboards? So who's fault is it?

the show is good as it is, with plenty of premieres. FL X5, FL 3er coupe,

A facelift is nothing to get excited about and certainly doesn't count in my book.

Performance X6,

It's an X6 with a few spoilers on! Whooppeee! Hardly a showstopper.

Z4 35is

Again. It's a model we already know with a few differences. Hardly a showstopper.

F10 5er, 5er ActiveHybrid.

Why've you separated these two? It's a 5 series premier. Just about the only thing worth getting interested about. The adition of a hybrid 5er is not anything major.

That alone is a decent show. It's not BMW's fault. There has been absolutely NOTHING about the M1 being in Geneva in the media. Only on fanboy forums where nothing is ever official.

It's not that they're not showing the M1, but the fact that they have nothing to show...period. There are rumours that there isn't even an M3 on display!! I've yet to see pictures to prove me wrong. What about the M3 GTS that Scott said would be there? You can guarantee there will be an X5 M though.

Completely disappointing for what is the most important motorshow in the world. When I go on the 11th March, I would normally be heading straight for the BMW stand. I'll certainly have a look but I'll be going to Porsche, Audi and MB first......

 

[rollo]

BMW fans being angry at BMW yet again because a supposed insider comes yet again through with the wrong info hyping up the whole place and then not delivering...

Don't blame BMW guys, the show is good as it is, with plenty of premieres. FL X5, FL 3er coupe, Performance X6, Z4 35is, F10 5er, 5er ActiveHybrid. That alone is a decent show. It's not BMW's fault. There has been absolutely NOTHING about the M1 being in Geneva in the media. Only on fanboy forums where nothing is ever official.

Sorry klier, this is much more than this particular show. The "Joy" campaign, efficient dynamics done to death, model creep, M SUV's. Where is the M3 in competition guise? Performance X6 (please, that's an oxymoron), Z4 35is (previously shown), FL X5 (fog lights location look horrible BTW) and FL 3er (yawn). So it's the F10, otherwise, nothing to see here, move along.

 

[PanterroR]

My God, some of you sound like there's nothing, absolutely nothing to see...

So f'n what if there's no M1?! It's not there now, it will be at some other place, big deal! Sure it would be nice to see it on such important car show like this one, but do you think BMW did it on purpose? I'm sure they have reasons for that. Sadly, some of you are not willing to understand that, therefore you bitch. How great!

You maybe don't care for facelifts, performance packages and such stuff, but THERE ARE people who actually care for that and want to see it IRL, who don't give a shit for internet pics and i'm sure they're satisfied, unlike you, and those people are important for BMW.

Also, as Betty said, there are Porsche, Audi, MB and others that are showing more, go to their stands since there's nothing to see by BMW.

 

[darkop]

Sorry klier, this is much more than this particular show. The "Joy" campaign, efficient dynamics done to death, model creep, M SUV's. Where is the M3 in competition guise? Performance X6 (please, that's an oxymoron), Z4 35is (previously shown), FL X5 (fog lights location look horrible BTW) and FL 3er (yawn). So it's the F10, otherwise, nothing to see here, move along.

can't agree with you more on this guys! I was as well a die-hard bmw fan for more than 10 years, ready to cross swords till death with anyone bitching it - but couldn't take it anymore since they binned the cs concept and all other real emotional cars that should've been making! noone was referring bmw as sports a car maker... and all those messy and cheesy designs with no clear vision...so it's been almost a year and half since I switched to audi and I never been happier - there is always something juicy around the corner to obsess and lust about and eagerly anticipate a public presentation!

 

[martinbo]

C'mon guys, it's the in-the-tin premier of the new 5 series BMW. It's a massively important model for BMW in terms of market share in its segment and it deserves it's status as the marques focal point on the stand. The last thing BMW needs is an M1, focus robber, stealing the limelight.

I for one didn't think there was a hope in hell for the M1 being shown in any form at Geneva.

Personally, if I were a brand managing executive, I'd have made sure that the F10 5er has centre stage at Geneva which is exactly what has happened.

Some of us need to remember that the BMW 5 series represents the single best all-round vehicle in the BMW range: it's meant to combine seemingly polarised characteristics into one, very complete, package. Luxury meets sportiness. Passenger comfort meets driver enjoyment. Quintessential 5er attributes that make the 5 series the next most important car to BMW after the 3 series.

Hence its status at Geneva.

 

[rollo]

C'mon guys, it's the in-the-tin premier of the new 5 series BMW. It's a massively important model for BMW in terms of market share in its segment and it deserves it's status as the marques focal point on the stand. The last thing BMW needs is an M1, focus robber, stealing the limelight.

I for one didn't think there was a hope in hell for the M1 being shown in any form at Geneva.

Personally, if I were a brand managing executive, I'd have made sure that the F10 5er has centre stage at Geneva which is exactly what has happened.

Some of us need to remember that the BMW 5 series represents the single best all-round vehicle in the BMW range: it's meant to combine seemingly polarised characteristics into one, very complete, package. Luxury meets sportiness. Passenger comfort meets driver enjoyment. Quintessential 5er attributes that make the 5 series the next most important car to BMW after the 3 series.

Hence its status at Geneva.

Understand your thinking here martinbo, but not far away, in the Porsche display, is their most important ($) and brand new vehicle, side by side with something very special.

 

[Cashmere]

Deja Vu

 

[SCOTT27]

A quick correction " I'm off (To Geneva)"

Actually the onus was on the introduction of new product to the market hence why there is a selection of new production cars to the market.
Due to the effect of the Economic crisis where some markets for BMW have followed a different course from other recovering markets and are heading back to recession when the quarterly figures are released.

It is more important to focus on product you can sell now rather than to whet peoples appetite. I was working under the onus it would be a Spring Show Concept. It is true the car is far from finished and it's introduction will herald a return to a past in what BMW excelled in both onroad and on the track.

And if you knew anything about BMW then you would understand an M car is very much different from it's donor car and not just a standard BMW with a souped-up engine. So to say that the car will be dated ahead of the new 1er is incorrect because it will be a different kind of car because it's an M product.

Because this is Press Day. A lot of space had to accomodate the press and visitors when these are taken away you will see more cars on the floor for the public days.

Lastly Some members already despise me long before as they despised Eni .
What a joke this place has become. Just hit "ignore" from now on.

 

[gnx]

Is it coming in spring 2011?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

So f'n what if there's no M1?! It's not there now, it will be at some other place, big deal!

I think the "problem" most people have is that yet again, BMW Creative Marketing were dropping heavy hints that the M1 concept would be revealed, and then at the last minute things changed. It doesn't matter what the reason. Unless things are 100% guaranteed then BMW CM shouldn't hint at anything as people are only going to be disappointed.

I for one didn't think there was a hope in hell for the M1 being shown in any form at Geneva.

Well, some people still listen to what BMW CM say and they were led to believe by some very strong hints that the M1 would be there. All of what you say makes sense, but this is another occassion where BMW CM have led us up the garden path, disappointed us, and then it's OUR fault for having too high expectations.

Lastly Some members already despise me long before as they despised Eni .
What a joke this place has become. Just hit "ignore" from now on.

Scott. I don't know whether it was you or your "colleague" who was dropping major hints about the presence of the Concept M1 at Geneva, but answer me one queston. Unless it's 100% guaranteed that the M1 will be there, why do you increase people's expectations, because when things don't turn out as you say people are disappointed?

I'll tell you why. Because other manufacturers steal the limelight and you have to bring the attention back to BMW. So when the RS5 was announced last week you talk about BMW having "not dealt their cards yet". It's all absolute spin Scott, and yet here you are now getting all huffy and saying "hit the ignore post"! Do you not realise how you come across? Of course you don't. This "attitude" is not professional at all. Either you're here in an unofficial capacity in which case you should make it clear your posts are not official. OR, you are here in an "official" capacity and therefore you should conduct yourself in a manner which befits your position. This "blurring" of marketing does not do you or BMW any favours whatsoever. And I am speaking as an intelligent observer as much as a BMW fan.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Understand your thinking here martinbo, but not far away, in the Porsche display, is their most important ($) and brand new vehicle, side by side with something very special.

True..and how much focus and attention with the Cayenne receive next to that impressive performance concept ?
As you said, it's one of their most important new models, and it's being hands-down overshadow by the 918 Concept. Of course the new Cayenne will eventually get its name out there, but this was its chance to have center-stage publicity, and it ends up being relegated to the side.
Geneva is a very important show, and the new 5er is a very very important release for BMW... why would you overshadow it with a brand new concept or M-model ?
I completely understand it's a let down that there isn't anything new for the car enthusiasts because they already know about the facelifts and the 5er thanks to the internet...but there are a lot of folks who still want to see these models even if they aren't show-stoppers. Some big autoshows have show-stopper concepts, others have very important model debuts. This time around it's the latter with the new 5er.

Why are people getting their panties in a bunch about this ? I understand if you paid-in-full in advance for the 1er and were anxiously waiting, but that's not the case for anyone here, so why are you guys getting so worked-up over it. As disappointing as it is that sometimes Scott's, Eni's and whoever other insiders info is wrong at times, it's not the end of the world... unless of course you have your entire livelihood on the line because of some info they revealed (which in that case you'd be plain stupid). So why the big fuss ?
The only thing you are losing is your patience... which is entirely under your own control...and of course you're wasting a bit of time following these threads only to end up disappointed. Again, that's your choice. All this whinging is going to turn this thread into a mess (like other threads before this). Childish at best!

 

[Mr Robert]

Yeah, I had actually forgot that the 5-series makes its premiere at Geneva. That has to be the center of attention.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

As disappointing as it is that sometimes Scott's, Eni's and whoever other insiders info is wrong at times, it's not the end of the world...

The thing is, it's debateable whether some of this info is deliberately incorrect just to take attention away from other manufacturers. Audi release the RS5. BMW "haven't dealt all of their cards yet".

And I don't think a niche product like the M1 is going to take much attention away from the 5 series. The market is going to be small. If it was a new M3 or M5 then fair enough. But not a concept M1.

 

[Mr Robert]

And I don't think a niche product like the M1 is going to take much attention away from the 5 series. The market is going to be small. If it was a new M3 or M5 then fair enough. But not a concept M1.

Ah, but you know motoring journalists, they are just like kids. If there is something looking a bit out of the ordinary, that will get the attention. M1 would have to be behind the scenes if present.

The 5-series has already been all over the press for a month. The M1 has not.