BMW E82 1er M Coupe (Spy pics & Info)

[Sunny]

I was always in favor of the BMW CM thing and defended it most of the time (with some caveats). And while I still love the tid-bits it throws our way, I am convinced it does more harm than good to the BMW itself. It is a good idea, but it is done in such an unprofessional and shitty way, if BMW had an iota of sense they would shut it down or run it in a more professional way.

 

[rollo]

True..and how much focus and attention with the Cayenne receive next to that impressive performance concept ?
As you said, it's one of their most important new models, and it's being hands-down overshadow by the 918 Concept. Of course the new Cayenne will eventually get its name out there, but this was its chance to have center-stage publicity, and it ends up being relegated to the side.
Geneva is a very important show, and the new 5er is a very very important release for BMW... why would you overshadow it with a brand new concept or M-model ?
I completely understand it's a let down that there isn't anything new for the car enthusiasts because they already know about the facelifts and the 5er thanks to the internet...but there are a lot of folks who still want to see these models even if they aren't show-stoppers. Some big autoshows have show-stopper concepts, others have very important model debuts. This time around it's the latter with the new 5er.

Why are people getting their panties in a bunch about this ? I understand if you paid-in-full in advance for the 1er and were anxiously waiting, but that's not the case for anyone here, so why are you guys getting so worked-up over it. As disappointing as it is that sometimes Scott's, Eni's and whoever other insiders info is wrong at times, it's not the end of the world... unless of course you have your entire livelihood on the line because of some info they revealed (which in that case you'd be plain stupid). So why the big fuss ?
The only thing you are losing is your patience... which is entirely under your own control...and of course you're wasting a bit of time following these threads only to end up disappointed. Again, that's your choice. All this whinging is going to turn this thread into a mess (like other threads before this). Childish at best!

True, that my patience is thin.

And it is just plain wrong to categorize it as childish. Everyone here is passionate about automobiles, and most have a preference regarding a brand. My last 5 cars have been new BMW's (please let us know how experienced you are with owning their product), so I think my views have merit. If you don't think so, that's fine.

Maybe your frustration is that there is some truth in this criticism, otherwise and in your words, why jump into this childish banter?

Additionally, my money is on the efficacy of Porsche's approach in terms of marketing strategy regarding the 918. More eyes, excitement and attention on their brand pre, during and post show, that's a good thing.

 

[PanterroR]

I think the "problem" most people have is that yet again, BMW Creative Marketing were dropping heavy hints that the M1 concept would be revealed, and then at the last minute things changed. It doesn't matter what the reason. Unless things are 100% guaranteed then BMW CM shouldn't hint at anything as people are only going to be disappointed.

I've thought you've leraned to live with such things by now.

Still, it's BMW to blame for not showing the car, not CM guys. If that car was that important, they would have shown it, but i guess it isn't like 5 series is and i also think it is not ready yet.

 

[rollo]

They did bring the M3 with competition package though!!!

Outstanding.......

 

[Sunny]

I've thought you've leraned to live with such things by now.

Still, it's BMW to blame for not showing the car, not CM guys. If that car was that important, they would have shown it, but i guess it isn't like 5 series is and i also think it is not ready yet.

But CM made a hash of it. Just imagine how much better the situation would have been if what Scott said was along the lines of, "hey guys, we are trying our best to bring M1 to Geneva. The car is not ready yet so there is a possibility it won't make it. But we are still going to try."

It sounds so much more professional and I am sure most of us here would have understood if the car actually didn't make it. Instead, he drops weird hints and insinuations the car is going to be there and then when it doesn't offers some incredulous excuse of how some board member is not happy or the market suddenly changed (in what 2 months? really?). Maybe it is the culture gap, but to me it just appears very unprofessional and sleazy.

 

[Mr Robert]

Less buzz that way. Sure, better and more honest, if that was the way it went, but less talk.

 

[PanterroR]

Less buzz that way. Sure, better and more honest, if that was the way it went, but less talk.

That's true, no doubt.

Still, i don't care...

 

[Mr Robert]

That's true, no doubt.

Still, i don't care...

I have reached the point when seeing things at the dealer means they are here

 

[PanterroR]

Yeah, me too...

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I've thought you've leraned to live with such things by now.

I have. I was merely responding to your post saying "so what if the M1 isn't there?". The point is that nobody would have expected it to be there if BMW CM hadn't led us to believe it would be. And the only reason they led us to believe it would be is because Audi released the RS5 and BMW had nothing.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

My last 5 cars have been new BMW's (please let us know how experienced you are with owning their product), so I think my views have merit.

What has my experience (or lack thereof) owning BMW's got to do with this issue? Does not owning a BMW give little or credit to my views ?

Maybe your frustration is that there is some truth in this criticism, otherwise and in your words, why jump into this childish banter?

Of course there is some truth to the criticism directed at BMW CM. Being a BMW fan hasn't blinded me to this issue.
The reason why I jumped into this childish banter.... that's simple. We have a thread going on here at GCF regarding the deteriorating quality of posts and discussions here. In my eyes, this thread is beginning to go in that direction. I didn't jump into this discussion to add to the childish banter, but rather to try and get people to stop and think about how much unnecessary complaining, and whinging and negativism they are bringing to this thread (key word there: unnecessary). Sure you can say it's a real bummer that the M1 isn't at Geneva, but some members are taking the whinging to such an extent that it really is reminiscent of schoolyard arguments. Members DO have a point to highlight BMW CM's shortcomings and 'broken promises', but they carry on, and on...and on...aaaaannnddd on about it. Every single thread relating to an upcoming BMW, the same complaining, the same wording, the same people, the same everything. It not only deteriorates the quality of each of these threads, but it also annoys the heck of most of other members who seem to have the self-control to resist the continual whinging and look past BMW CM's shady ways.

Just ignore it if you think whatever Scott or Eni is saying/inferring/hinting sounds like BS....and don't stand there crying out-loud every 5 minutes because Scott/Eni's claims didn't fully eventuate. People really need to have more self-control, hence why I stated earlier that the level of patience and time spent/wasted browsing through these threads is purely in the hands of each member..and that they control what level of quality their posts have, and how other members perceive their level of contribution to GCF as a whole.


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Additionally, my money is on the efficacy of Porsche's approach in terms of marketing strategy regarding the 918. More eyes, excitement and attention on their brand pre, during and post show, that's a good thing.

That's a valid point, and I certainly agree with you on that to a certain extent. Being able to steal the limelight from others is great and maximum exposure on the brand as a whole still does benefit each individual product (BMW stole the limelight big time at recent show with their race-track display)...but in my opinion all the hype over Porsche will be directed at the 918 Concept because it is such a damn fine sight to behold.
But then again, this strategy may have been better suited to Porsche and their limited line-up, but if BMW were to showcase a new M1 based on the 1er, or some supercar for the 21st Century, then it would take a LOT of the attention away from 5er.
Just think about it...BMW's been pushing this whole efficient dynamics things for a year or so, and just a month or so ago they showcased the ultimate in their eD philosophy in the form of the Vision EfficientDynamics Concept. Notice that this show-stopper, eye-catching, attention-drawing concept is absent from the Geneva show. It's as clear as day that BMW want all eyes on the new 5er...and that not even the eD Vision Concept was allowed to take attention away from the 5er.

But that's just my take...and we can agree to disagree peacefully.

 

[PanterroR]

... because Audi released the RS5 and BMW had nothing.

Oh it sure does, something that will bring loads of money - a 5 series. Couldn't say same for RS5...

Anyway, i get what you're saying and it's usless to continue with this discussion, it ain't there and that's it, we can move on.

 

[Sunny]

Less buzz that way. Sure, better and more honest, if that was the way it went, but less talk.

Well, if all they are interested is in talk, no matter if it is is good or bad, may be they should just release some pics of a board member with 5 hookers in Nazi outfits. I am sure that will create a lot of buzz.

 

[manuelf]

I have. I was merely responding to your post saying "so what if the M1 isn't there?". The point is that nobody would have expected it to be there if BMW CM hadn't led us to believe it would be. And the only reason they led us to believe it would be is because Audi released the RS5 and BMW had nothing.

C'mon - you are exaggerating a bit, don't you? This funny forum is NOT the center of gravity. Trust me, I am active in many german car forums. No one knows Scott there and there is also no "creative marketing" going on.
If BMW really wants to try to draw off attention from the RS5 launch they should try to reach a wider audience. That definitely did not happen - so I regard your claim as pointless.
Actually no one can draw off attention by some cryptic comments in two internet forums without delivering anything. Your point would be much stronger if BMW exposed a M1 mockup to the public at Geneva - knowing that the car is ready for production more than a year away... that could be regarded as deliberately drawing off attention... but what you are telling now sounds a bit like conspiracy theory...

 

[klier]

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Still, it's BMW to blame for not showing the car, not CM guys.

How you can think that is beyond me Without this CM, we would not be talking about the lack of M1 for Geneva, since nobody would expect it to be there to begin with

No regular media has mentioned the M1 for Geneva.

 

[AdvEvo]

Were is the GTS at geneva. Did they loose on it on the way over there.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Trust me, I am active in many german car forums. No one knows Scott there and there is also no "creative marketing" going on....

Creative marketing is very much going on and is visible on this forum.

 

[klier]

Creative marketing is very much going on and is visible on this forum.

Yes, but he is saying it's not happening in German forums, and they don't know who Scott is over there.

 

[rollo]

What has my experience (or lack thereof) owning BMW's got to do with this issue? Does not owning a BMW give little or credit to my views ?

I was highlighting a fact that I hoped would give my opinion more credibility in your eyes since you chose to use the word "childish" in a post where you quoted me. And respectfully, I think a long term customer has more to add to this debate than a fan.


Of course there is some truth to the criticism directed at BMW CM. Being a BMW fan hasn't blinded me to this issue.
The reason why I jumped into this childish banter.... that's simple. We have a thread going on here at GCF regarding the deteriorating quality of posts and discussions here. In my eyes, this thread is beginning to go in that direction. I didn't jump into this discussion to add to the childish banter, but rather to try and get people to stop and think about how much unnecessary complaining, and whinging and negativism they are bringing to this thread (key word there: unnecessary). Sure you can say it's a real bummer that the M1 isn't at Geneva, but some members are taking the whinging to such an extent that it really is reminiscent of schoolyard arguments. Members DO have a point to highlight BMW CM's shortcomings and 'broken promises', but they carry on, and on...and on...aaaaannnddd on about it. Every single thread relating to an upcoming BMW, the same complaining, the same wording, the same people, the same everything. It not only deteriorates the quality of each of these threads, but it also annoys the heck of most of other members who seem to have the self-control to resist the continual whinging and look past BMW CM's shady ways.

Agree it can get out of control but frustration is different then whining. Also, in my view the CM boys fan the flames in this type of dialogue when in starts heating up. They pretend to be outraged, but I think they dig it.

Just ignore it if you think whatever Scott or Eni is saying/inferring/hinting sounds like BS....and don't stand there crying out-loud every 5 minutes because Scott/Eni's claims didn't fully eventuate. People really need to have more self-control, hence why I stated earlier that the level of patience and time spent/wasted browsing through these threads is purely in the hands of each member..and that they control what level of quality their posts have, and how other members perceive their level of contribution to GCF as a whole.

Can't ignore stuff that I think is BS and I have every right, if not a an obligation to say so. And the other members of GCF have the right to ignore, criticize, disagree or agree with my comments.


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That's a valid point, and I certainly agree with you on that to a certain extent. Being able to steal the limelight from others is great and maximum exposure on the brand as a whole still does benefit each individual product (BMW stole the limelight big time at recent show with their race-track display)...but in my opinion all the hype over Porsche will be directed at the 918 Concept because it is such a damn fine sight to behold.
But then again, this strategy may have been better suited to Porsche and their limited line-up, but if BMW were to showcase a new M1 based on the 1er, or some supercar for the 21st Century, then it would take a LOT of the attention away from 5er.
Just think about it...BMW's been pushing this whole efficient dynamics things for a year or so, and just a month or so ago they showcased the ultimate in their eD philosophy in the form of the Vision EfficientDynamics Concept. Notice that this show-stopper, eye-catching, attention-drawing concept is absent from the Geneva show. It's as clear as day that BMW want all eyes on the new 5er...and that not even the eD Vision Concept was allowed to take attention away from the 5er.

My problem with BMW is not just this show, it's a systematic retreat from their roots and core principals. Seems that the ultimate driving machine is now driven by marketeers instead of engineers. And I understand the business side and that success speaks volumes. I don't care for the new BMW however, and I will not go quietly.

But that's just my take...and we can agree to disagree peacefully.

And that's just my take....and we can certainly disagree without being disagreeable.

 

[klier]

My problem with BMW is not just this show, it's a systematic retreat from their roots and core principals.

There's nothing wrong with the actual cars. They're good as ever.
And don't start about the X5 M. It's a great car with the wrong name. Let's just give them the benifit of the doubt there, BMW deserves that much.
Block JOY and CM from your mind for a short while, and look at the amazing product range.

But this stuff doesn't belong in the 1er M thread, sorry for that.