5 Series (G30) BMW 5 Series (G30/31/32) Spy Pics & Info Discussion

[Monster]

I like to think of it as how there is a 2er Coupe and then there is the 2er Active and Gran Tourer which co-exist side by side and are identified by their concept, one is a sportier RWD Coupe, the other a practical,spacious FWD MPV.

Here is the problem, BMW already has the 1 series as the practical car, so the van version should have been badged the 1 series, same with the bigger van.

 

[makdeniss]

Lol This one doesn't look that different than the current 5GT. So much talk about the roofline and it practically stays the same. BMW as always.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

So does this mean that BMW is thinking of having a real 6 series again after all? Hence why they stick with the 6.. GT moniker? That would be great news.

 

[aleks_16]

And the question is, when would the sportier 6er arrive?

 

[JPATT93]

I'm still having a hard time understanding why they won't brand this as a 5er. I know @SCOTT27 would like to justify BMW's decision and says it can coexist with a coupe model but imo it really hurts the 6er badge.

 

[Rainer271]

I'm still having a hard time understanding why they won't brand this as a 5er. I know @SCOTT27 would like to justify BMW's decision and says it can coexist with a coupe model but imo it really hurts the 6er badge.

Especially if it comes true the 6 GT will be the only one model with a 6-badge.

 

[domleo999]

They nailed the nomenclature in the F series (minus the 2er vans) - there basically reducing the odd numbers by 1 model and adding that into the equivalent even - it just doesn't make any sense to me - if anything it hurts the sportier counterparts

 

[Fido]

I like to think of it as how there is a 2er Coupe and then there is the 2er Active and Gran Tourer which co-exist side by side and are identified by their concept, one is a sportier RWD Coupe, the other a practical,spacious FWD MPV.

What from what I have learned they plan to do something with an all new 6er in regards to the sportier side. Make it more of a 911 competitor not a luxury GT which will be provided by the all-new 8er which will also be offered in Gran Coupe and M8 models.
A 6er as a Sports Car certainly has room to co-exist between the 4er and 8er without the need to be reflectively practical.

It will eventually all make sense as they plan to offer an additional 4er model.

It has sense if BMW doesn't make a Z5 Coupé and only is Roadster.

 

[JPATT93]

I like to think of it as how there is a 2er Coupe and then there is the 2er Active and Gran Tourer which co-exist side by side and are identified by their concept, one is a sportier RWD Coupe, the other a practical,spacious FWD MPV.

Just because the 2er Coupe and 2er Minivan coexist doesn't mean it should. And 6er strategy certainly shouldn't be modeled after it. The 2er badge, which is on BMW's lower end, is relatively new and as a result has nothing to live up to and leaves more flexibility for how BMW would like for it be positioned. This is not the case with the 6er which is positioned in the higher end luxury sport segment, and has been for generations. Adding the 5er gran tourer to the 6er badge simply doesn't fit with what the consumer sees the 6er as being.

I'm all for a company being profitable but at what cost? I believe BMW being all things to all people will adversely hurt its brand image in the long term, and will also cause them to get "stuck in the middle."

@SCOTT27 And again, WHY can't BMW keep it under the 5er badge? I know you don't make the decisions. Imo, when you're not providing valuable information on future models, you're more like the Kellyanne Conway of BMW, defending its suspect decisions. I simply want to know though, what caused them to do something like this?

 

[nikola1984]

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[Rolf]

I don't understand why BMW are bringing this car out as the previous 5 GT barely sold 20000 cars a year so wasn't popular. It's the same lesson Mercedes learnt with the R-class before and decided to discontinue it. Sticking a 6 series badge on it is plain wrong and a discredit to the 6 series badge as most people think of the 6 series as a luxury sports coupe series not a family hatch.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

^ wasn't this whole idea (5GT) coming from Norbert Reithofer?

 

[SKY]

I don't understand why BMW are bringing this car out as the previous 5 GT barely sold 20000 cars a year so wasn't popular. It's the same lesson Mercedes learnt with the R-class before and decided to discontinue it. Sticking a 6 series badge on it is plain wrong and a discredit to the 6 series badge as most people think of the 6 series as a luxury sports coupe series not a family hatch.

And this new one is not looking particularly promissing either.

 

[klier]

I don't understand why BMW are bringing this car out as the previous 5 GT barely sold 20000 cars a year so wasn't popular. It's the same lesson Mercedes learnt with the R-class before and decided to discontinue it. Sticking a 6 series badge on it is plain wrong and a discredit to the 6 series badge as most people think of the 6 series as a luxury sports coupe series not a family hatch.

Don't know what you're on about, the 5er GT has been very successful. It was an expensive car. The new one will also be expensive and high end. Part of the reason to call it a 6er now, which is higher end sounding than 5er.

One thing is for certain: if it wasn't successful BMW would not have made this new version. This is BMW remember? The company that doesn't make a supercar because they will not make enough money off it.

 

[Rolf]

Don't know what you're on about, the 5er GT has been very successful. It was an expensive car. The new one will also be expensive and high end. Part of the reason to call it a 6er now, which is higher end sounding than 5er.

One thing is for certain: if it wasn't successful BMW would not have made this new version. This is BMW remember? The company that doesn't make a supercar because they will not make enough money off it.

Ok name a country that this car was popular. It was very slow selling in the US, only 3000 to 4000 cars or less a year and the price was less than the 6-series I am sure. It looks plain ugly and even this new version ain't no beauty queen, they should rather have created a similar concept to the Audi A7 and 4 GC, sports hatch, then that is more deserving of the 6 series badge.

 

[Dauer]

Ok name a country that this car was popular.

China accounted for more than 40 percent of the 5 GT’s sales followed by Europe.
Yes it was slow selling in US, but US isn't the world.

Not stellar numbers, but profitable enough for BMW to make a new one.

 

[SKY]

Ok name a country that this car was popular. It was very slow selling in the US, only 3000 to 4000 cars or less a year and the price was less than the 6-series I am sure. It looks plain ugly and even this new version ain't no beauty queen, they should rather have created a similar concept to the Audi A7 and 4 GC, sports hatch, then that is more deserving of the 6 series badge.

I guess it all deppends on what you compare it with in terms of sales. Sales on an isolated basis say very little. How have sales evolved? What is the growth rate looking like? What is the margin per vehicle? How does it compare to the rest of the BMW portfolio?

Those are the questions a firm, and surely BMW, asks itself before deciding whether to greenlight the next version of a product or not.

 

[EnI]

I'm not even amused anymore by the claims like "it doesn't sell well in US, so it must be a shitty product". It's a global product. Some markets like it more than others. It's a fact.

And it's not a dud either. Some other, even cheaper or more attractive models, sell in much lesser or similar annual figures.

Eg. the annual worldwide sales figures for 5er GT (20-25k per year) are approx. on the same level as annual worldwide sales figures of:

- 2er Coupe,
- 2er Cabrio,
- the whole 6er family in total (all 3 variants: Coupe + Cabrio + GC),

and much higher than eg Z4 sales figures.

While 3er GT sales numbers are even better; and so are eg, the sales numbers of X4 (58k in 2016) & X6 (43k in 2016).

Those are niche cars. Don't expect annual sales figures in 100+k units area.

 

[LaArtist]

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Looking forward to this so i can make fun of BMW fans.

 

[Rolf]

The 5 GT looks like it could be related to this car