Vs Autozeitung: BMW 335i Touring vs Audi S4 Avant vs MB C55 AMG T-Modell

[Zafiro]

Isn't that a bit of a contradiction JM???

Nope, there are no new audi turbo yet or new mb engines yet. This is what they offer today and the cars tested you see in the headline. I say we focus on the cars in the test and talk about other engines when they are for sale

 

[EnI]

Audi will definitively deliver a very good V6 turbo engine. But even before a 300HP 3.2 FSI with ValveLift is awaited (premiered in Roadjet concept). So, a turbo version will surely produce at least 350HP.

Yet BMW's N54 has also a lot of reserve. Mind that 306HP figure was chosen not to outshadow 4.0L V8 with also 306HP. But this baby (N54) is capable of much more.

 

[martinbo]

Up here at our Reef altitudes (+/- 1600m) the 335i Coupe (auto-tranny no less!) was tested to be faster than the E46 M3 at Gerotek's testing facility. Awesome. I said months ago that despite being a huge fan of the Audi S4 Avant, the 335i Touring will trounce it in the value proposition stakes. I'd own one in a heartbeat. And why? Because it's turbocharged of course. Not that I have anything against naturally aspirated engines you all know, it's just that I love that elastic band feeling that a turbo'd car delivers. It's personal preference isn't it? And exactly the same driving factor as to why I'm a fan of a Golf GTI or an Audi S3. I haven't owned a naturally aspirated car since 1999 (my wife has of course - the little Polo) and I can't see myself buying one soon either.

335i Touring? Damn. Sorrie for the Forrie... if I could afford one, I'd have one.

 

[meisocool]

lol 335i faster than AMG and S of Audi?Wow...i know S4 and C55 older than 3351...but still WOW

bravo to BMW

wonder how the new M3 going to perform compare to RS4 or C63(?)...oooh BEWARE!

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Yet BMW's N54 has also a lot of reserve. Mind that 306HP figure was chosen not to outshadow 4.0L V8 with also 306HP. But this baby (N54) is capable of much more.

Mind you that 306 is a marketing thing. We know from those dyno tests its basically imposible for the engin to give just 306 HP.

Now bring on the M(urder)3.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Up here at our Reef altitudes (+/- 1600m) the 335i Coupe (auto-tranny no less!) was tested to be faster than the E46 M3 at Gerotek's testing facility. Awesome. I said months ago that despite being a huge fan of the Audi S4 Avant, the 335i Touring will trounce it in the value proposition stakes. I'd own one in a heartbeat. And why? Because it's turbocharged of course. Not that I have anything against naturally aspirated engines you all know, it's just that I love that elastic band feeling that a turbo'd car delivers. It's personal preference isn't it? And exactly the same driving factor as to why I'm a fan of a Golf GTI or an Audi S3. I haven't owned a naturally aspirated car since 1999 (my wife has of course - the little Polo) and I can't see myself buying one soon either.

335i Touring? Damn. Sorrie for the Forrie... if I could afford one, I'd have one.

Autobild, or was it AutoZeitung, also test the 335i vs. the M3 and the 335i won. It was also faster on some tracks than the CLK63, S4, C55 and even CLS 55 AMG and E55 AMG.

 

[EnI]

Mind you that 306 is a marketing thing. We know from those dyno tests its basically imposible for the engin to give just 306 HP.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. 306HP output was chosen by marketing dept. - the engine is capable of much more. And it will be set for higher output during its life cycle.

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

Autobild, or was it AutoZeitung, also test the 335i vs. the M3 and the 335i won. It was also faster on some tracks than the CLK63, S4, C55 and even CLS 55 AMG and E55 AMG.

Did they have a RS4 in their testing?

 

[Yperion]

doesnt matter, still show you how fast the cars are , now you act like bad loser Yannis

No i 'm not. E90 is superior to A4 and C class right now in chassis , suspension and nearly every part of the car apart from build quality where A4 and C class still have the advantage and interior space which is just on par with the competition.

When you compare a turbocharged engine with a NA one , the turbo will always have the advantage. Audi has proven that years ago with the 2.0 TFSI which is superior to BMW's 2.5 lt I6 in every possible way.

So BMW has won against the competition with this engine but surely Audi and Mercedes with the next generations C class and A4 will strike back.

 

[Zafiro]

So BMW has won against the competition with this engine but surely Audi and Mercedes with the next generations C class and A4 will strike back.

of course and so will BMW do when next generation comes. Its a neverending story. But in this test, 335i beat the performance vechicles from audi and MB. it shows that the new M3 will be one hell of a car. Enuff said!

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Great results for the 335i wagon! Clearly faster than the S4, especially when speeds increase. But I guess that twin turbo I6 slowly runs out of steam compared to the monster 5.4L V8 in the C55 when speeds are well above 100km/h. As speed increases it seems the C55 wagon will pull away from the 335i wagon (which is consistent with the European test data we see comparing the C55 sedan to the 335i coupe).

But still, that's mighty impressive for the 335i wagon, which costs significantly less than the S4 or C55 wagons. See guys, forced induction for a BMW isn't that bad, right??

Or maybe it's the runflat tyres ...

 

[bmer]

Audi has proven that years ago with the 2.0 TFSI which is superior to BMW's 2.5 lt I6 in every possible way.

Maybe in power figures and fuel consumption but the engine sound and harmonous characteristics of the inline 6 are on a totally different level. Let me remind you that as an engine configuration the straight 4 cylinder is not a balanced configuration in general.

 

[Zafiro]

I wonder how much faster 335i would be around the track with the sportchassi?

 

[Imhotep Evil]

I wonder how much faster 335i would be around the track with the sportchassi?

and proper tyres...P Zero corsas, new R Cups.

 

[Zafiro]

Notes from the review:

- S4 best seat comfort for the driver, 335i on second place and C55 on last place.
- 335i most comfortable suspension, C55 on second place and S4 on last place.

Brake distance 100m - 0
S4 = 35 meter
335i = 35.5 meter
C55 = 37,1 meter

Acceleration 60 - 100km/h
S4 = 3.2 sec
335i = 3.1 sec
C55 = 2.7 sec

Acceleration 80 - 120km/h
S4 = 3.7 sec
335i = 3.5 sec
C55 = 3.3 sec

Maximum Nm
S4 - 410 nm at 3500 rpm
335i - 400 nm between 1300-5500 rpm
C55 - 510 nm at 5100 rpm

Base Price
S4 - 55 800 euro
335i - 41 000 euro
C55 - 65 714 euro

 

[PC Valkyrie]

I am most impressed about the comfort review of the 335i, given its excellent handling abilities and numbers. Of course, this must be attributed to the new and stiffer E90/E92 frame, allowing it to have more suspension travel and spring while maintaining excellent handling (ie keeping the tires on the road). For the W203 C55, the only way they could improve the handling over the previous W203 C32 was to make the suspension 20% firmer, causing the ride comfort to decrease.

Thanks for the data about rolling acceleration times. Frankly, it's not too suprising that the C55 would take the crown here, with its massive torque that's available relatively low in the rpm range.

Just_me, do you have the weights of these 3 wagons?

 

[Zafiro]

I am most impressed about the comfort review of the 335i, given its excellent handling abilities and numbers. Of course, this must be attributed to the new and stiffer E90/E92 frame, allowing it to have more suspension travel and spring while maintaining excellent handling (ie keeping the tires on the road). For the W203 C55, the only way they could improve the handling over the previous W203 C32 was to make the suspension 20% firmer, causing the ride comfort to decrease.

Thanks for the data about rolling acceleration times. Frankly, it's not too suprising that the C55 would take the crown here, with its massive torque that's available relatively low in the rpm range.

Just_me, do you have the weights of these 3 wagons?

its sick that M5 E60 only produce 10 nm more than the little C-class

I only have "empty" weight:
S4 - 1720 kg
335i - 1615 kg
C55 - 1620 kg

S4 is 100kg heavier thanks to 4WD

 

[Yperion]

Maybe in power figures and fuel consumption but the engine sound and harmonous characteristics of the inline 6 are on a totally different level.

Same goes when we compare a I6 to a V8. The V8 is superior.

 

[Zafiro]

Same goes when we compare a I6 to a V8. The V8 is superior.

noway! its like saying a W16 is superior to a V12. Thats just ludacris.

 

[warot]

Same goes when we compare a I6 to a V8. The V8 is superior.

What makes you say that? In this competition, the 335i takes on the V8s and win. It's lighter and more fuel efficient, yet performs as well.