Vs AutoBild: First test new 5-series vs E-class

[Ultimate Car Guy]

If you look closely, ior look at other pics, you'll notice for sure that it aligns perfectly. Here it's simply a shadow giving the impresison that the part on the dash is slightly wider than on the door, while it isn't.

Having looked at the pic at above (black interior) i there is a misalingment. I can definitely see it.

 

[klier]

But that's impossible? The E-class is flawless, like every other Benz. Only the Bimmers have misalinged stuff in the interior, even though the 5er is a pre production model.
That Benz above is no pre production, and it still has it. Uh-oh.

 

[Shining Star]

In the hi res pic you can see that the door trim is indeed misaligned.

But honestly, does it really matter whether or not two cars' trim is misaligned by a couple millimeters?

 

[klier]

^ It matters for a lot of MB fans when they spot it in a BMW.

 

[Zafiro]

Who cares about misaligned pieces as long it looks good and its built with high quality materials. Talk about criticize minor details when it as a whole looks darn good. The debate is utterly pointless.

 

[coolraoul]

I'm sorry, but to my eyes it's absolutely not misaligned.

And a misaligned piece matters, yes, because it doesn't look good when pieces are not perfectly in place in such an expensive vehicle.

 

[klier]

^^ It doesn't look misagligned to me either.

Who cares about misaligned pieces as long it looks good and its built with high quality materials. Talk about criticize minor details when it as a whole looks darn good. The debate is utterly pointless.

Holy sh!t, you you're on a roll lately with trying to decide for us what is, and what is not a good debate. First the character line on the E class, and now this.
Little piece of advice: don't join if the discussion is not worthy for you. We aren't on this forum just to please you.

 

[Zafiro]

Holy sh!t, you you're on a roll lately with trying to decide for us what is, and what is not a good debate. First the character line on the E class, and now this.
Little piece of advice: don't join if the discussion is not worthy for you. We aren't on this forum just to please you.

Where did you get all the air from? If you cant stand my posts put me on the ignore list. Im not trying to decide anything for you but I raise my voice whenever I feel for it.
Take your attitude elsewhere, you are just polluting every single thread with your super biased comments about how better BMW is than MB. And this last post isnt going to help your stock growing. You need bad karma.

 

[klier]

I knew you would come with something like this, and it's pretty sad really.
YOU are the one who should ignore discussions that don't seem to interest you. I understand that you have to spam up your post count with every oppurtunity you get, though...

Also, you telling me that I am biased towards BMW is the most funny thing I've read the whole week (and it's sunday, so I've read a lot!) You're the absolute last one who can tell me this, because you're probably even worse than I am in that aspect.

I don't mind your posts at all, and I see absolutely no reason to put you on any ignore list. But you saying I pollute every thread with BMW bias is just sad. You do exactly the same.

Also, give me all the bad karma you want man. It doesn't mean anything whatsoever to me. LOL! Bad karma, I'm so worried now!

Now, you can delete all this again and pretend it never happened, like you always do.

 

[Zafiro]

I knew you would come with something like this, and it's pretty sad really.
YOU are the one who should ignore discussions that don't seem to interest you. I understand that you have to spam up your post count with every oppurtunity you get, though...

Also, you telling me that I am biased towards BMW is the most funny thing I've read the whole week (and it's sunday, so I've read a lot!) You're the absolute last one who can tell me this, because you're probably even worse than I am in that aspect.

I don't mind your posts at all, and I see absolutely no reason to put you on any ignore list. But you saying I pollute every thread with BMW bias is just sad. You do exactly the same.

Also, give me all the bad karma you want man. It doesn't mean anything whatsoever to me. LOL! Bad karma, I'm so worried now!

Now, you can delete all this again and pretend it never happened, like you always do.

I'm a Moderator, adding people on ignore list isnt going to help my job. Besides I find it childish to do so. If you cant handle it, the person got issues.
No Im not going to delete this post, its you who embarass yourself so Im going to let the public see this. And if you dont see how you trash every thread with you BMW vs MB talk then you got issues.
Im not going to defend your actions anymore, now we are all equals.

BTW not long ago you thanked me becuase I deleted a few posts and you said it was a better solution, now you are against it. Haha, it's so sad. You need to control your temper or it won't end happy.

 

[EnI]

The misalignment "issue" (eg. in the F10) is there only due to shooting angle & lens distortion ...

Check the pic below: driver's doors -the trim is perfectly aligned with dash trim, while on passenger doors it looks like it's completely misaligned.

It's only due to photo distortion. Camera lens still does not capture the image in the same manner human eye does.

 

[Sunny]

If you look closely, ior look at other pics, you'll notice for sure that it aligns perfectly. Here it's simply a shadow giving the impresison that the part on the dash is slightly wider than on the door, while it isn't.

Oh please, remove your star spangled spectacles and take a look, Raoul - if that at all is possible for you. It is far from being aligned in the pic I posted or the 2nd pic you posted. It looks aligned in the first pic you posted. Which I guess is worse, if it is completely hit or miss if you get a car with aligned panels or not.

 

[coolraoul]

Oh please, remove your star spangled spectacles and take a look, Raoul - if that at all is possible for you. It is far from being aligned in the pic I posted or the 2nd pic you posted. It looks aligned in the first pic you posted. Which I guess is worse, if it is completely hit or miss if you get a car with aligned panels or not.

Well excuse-me for not being able to see properly, but -despite my glasses, which are not star shaped- I don't see it at all as misaligned.
If you please take a look at EnI's pic of the 5er, you'll see what misaligned means.

I'd appreciate if you could stop implying I'm blinded by the star, which I'm not. I honestly don't see any misfit here, and rest assured i'd say it if it was.

 

[Sunny]

Well excuse-me for not being able to see properly, but -despite my glasses, which are not star shaped- I don't see it at all as misaligned.
If you please take a look at EnI's pic of the 5er, you'll see what misaligned means.

I'd appreciate if you could stop implying I'm blinded by the star, which I'm not. I honestly don't see any misfit here, and rest assured i'd say it if it was.

Oh, I am not implying it, I am saying it. Even a person with modicum of objectivity would see it. But, hey, if some imaginary superior interior door panel alignment in your favorite brand is what helps you sleep better at night, well, good for you.

 

[coolraoul]

I won't even bother to reply.

 

[Monster]

Two of the forum members actually own the W212, why don't we just ask them?

I went to the show room and saw the W212 last week, I didn't notice the misalignment at all.

 

[adeel2010]

The interior of both the W212 and F10 are perfectly beautiful. This "misalignment issue" is negligible. I've driven the W212 plenty of times and never noticed it.

 

[Sayyaaf]

the gaps in the 5er are tighter too. Specially where the door meet the dashboard.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

the gaps in the 5er are tighter too. Specially where the door meet the dashboard.

You think? The wood trim on the doors and the dash are perfectly aligned in the E. Raouls observation is correct in that from certain angles the dash wood panel looks thicker. It has to do with the angle the wood had been applied at.

Overall, the E looks tighter to me. While the tactile finish is open to interpretation, the fit is almost flawless.

But in the end the argument is moot. They're both very fine looking interiors.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

From my avatar, it's pretty obvious that i'm a BMW fan. I've been closely following the F10 from when the first prototypes were captured in photos (December '07) up to the very latest media review. Without having ever driven or even seen the car in person, i know quite a lot about it.

If i were to take the BMW passion out of me, and temporarily move it aside, and look at the F10 objectively, i would say the following things:

1. The car looks absolutely beautiful. From the proportions, to the surfacing, right through to the details contained in the tailights, the car's design has a timeless, pure and clear impression on the beholder. I know, just like in the E39 generation, people will look back on this design with great respect and admiration.

2. The car's engineering is class-leading. From the HUD, to the integral active steering, all the way through to the Efficient Dynamics technologies, every aspect of this car has been well thought through. You can tell that the engineers have strived for asolute perfection in every aspect of the vehicle.

3. The car's dynamics are class-leading. The technologies in place, such as the new multi-link front suspension, dynamic drive, the powerful drivetrain; endow the car with the best performance, handling, steering and ride balance in its class. The reviews will attest to this

4. The way in which the vehicle developed and constructed is very intelligent. One of the things i recalled during the E60 release in '03 was that they never mentioned anything about the commonalities and synergies shared with the E65 7er. This time, BMW has made the link with the F01 and F07 very clear. The benefits to the customer is that the technology available in the F10 has been refined and perfected in the F01 and F07. Most importantly, the sheer scale of commonality between the F01, F07, F10 and i would presume the F11, F12 and F13, means that BMW's Large Models Product Line would be very profitable.

Overall, i would say that the F10 is a home-run for BMW. It would simply be the best car in the segment if not the best car in the real-world.


As for the E-Klasse? Well, i would not be dissapointed if i ever owned this car. Having driven the E500 last month, i would say the following:

1. The styling is perfectly in-line with the Mercedes values. I don't find the design particularly exciting, and the interior looks as if it came from the 80s, but overall, this Merc perfectly conveys the themes of solidity, safety and quality. The car feels as if its been built like a bank vault- and thats what Mercedes has always been about.

2. The engineering greatly exemplifies the MB ethos of engineering excellence. It might not have the same level of gadgets as the BMW, but the when driving the car and using its controls, it feels as if the Mercedes also has been very well thouroughly engineered. Its amazing, the car feels so solid, as if its been made from the single billet of steel.

3. The ride and handling is close to perfection. You really need to experience the ride in this thing- it is just so smooth, almost as if you're on a plane. The steering as well, is very communicative with perfect weighting.

Overall, i was very impressed with the E-Klasse. I would have deemed it to be the best car in the segment, but i knew that BMW would come back with a better answer with the 5er.

Ultimate Car Guy, we are on the same wavelength. Exactly what I was thinking. I'm BMW fan, but I have an appreciation for other makes as well. MB plays to its strength with this E as the BMW plays to its strength with the 5er.