GT 2026 AMG GT 4-Door Vision EV

[Fastpaddy]

Because AMG GT is not a track car anymore and it won't ever be, the new one is 2 tons.



In my country the speed limit is 130kph so I don't find myself driving too often at 200.
GTR is faster 100-200 than first gen Taycan but the Turbo GT will smoke it while having 4 seats and a decent boot.

From 0 the GTR has no chance and on a wet road on a mountain pass is dangerous, maybe from there comes the emotion, lol

To end my point, indeed the GT or high performance petrol cars are more fun than performance EVs but they will become weekend toys.

I agree with you, petrol sports cars, weekend toys, im all for a everyday EV with great range that I can charge from my solar panels.

I just will not be choosing it when the time comes for a enjoyable driving experience.

And if im after all out performance on a public road at 4am with the risk of rain or police cars chasing me I choose my 700hp TTRS, because it would destroy my GTR, due to its 4wd grip.

But on a racetrack the GTR is quicker and still quicker than a taycan turbo GT, and it can do lap after lap after lap, reliably all day, which the taycan cant, and a 700hp TTRS would see a question mark.

And then me and my friends were discussing the other day, I spent a fortune on the TTRS to get it to 700hp, and I could get 1000hp out of the GTR for a fraction of the cost. Why have I not done so?

And giving it some thought the reality hit me.

4wd car’s largely are boring, unless they have copious amounts of power, they are too easy to drive quickly, not as involving, so I had to add power and chassis mods to bring it alive.

My friends with his 1200hp turbo S agreed, and so did my ex 900hp turbo S friend.

With the AMG GTR, i dont need crazy power, because of the rwd and the mid engined chassis, its entertaining at all speeds. A true enthusiast car that evokes and stirs your emotions the minute you sit in it, and press the start engine button.

“The AMG is all blood and thunder, a sensory sense of occasion overload. And here’s the maddest thing – it’s the steering that completely dominates the seat-of-your-pants, sweaty hands thrill of taming the GT R. No, not the engine. Not the bombastic, unbelievably responsive V8 tucked up into the dashboard, which once and for all erases any excuses BMW might have about turbo engines having the acoustic range of an ITV talent show reject.

The AMG shudders the ground at idle, burbling and chuntering like it’s gargling the super-unleaded, not vaporising it. The cacophonous roar bellowed by its massive central tailpipe, flanked by two hidden outlets billowing superheated air into the diffuser, jiggles jowels and troubles bowels depending where you’ve got the throttle.

But it’s not all happening in your wake – there’s a pulsating cackle reverberating into the cabin too. It’s a scintillating monster of an engine, every cubic centimetre the worthy successor to the old 6.2 V8. Still not as mad as the steering, though.

The GT R is a laugh-a-minute muscle car from an aristocratic German finishing school, and the GT3 is a frustrated Le Mans racing car with cupholders.
And that’s the quandary. Even after it dried out, and the GT3 warmed its slicks and warped around Knockhill, I had more fun in the GT R. More smiles, less serious face.“


And that ladies and gentlemen, is what a enthusiasts car is all about.

It doesnt even need to be the fastest on track, the fastest in a straight line, it just has to stir the emotions, make you feel alive, and most importantly fun to drive. It is meant to be an experience, each journey mesmerising, to the point of after long having parked up, you cast your memory back to that moment, and yearn to live that experience once again.

No EV has ever done that, and I dont think it ever will.

We have even come to the point that some of the reviewers known for being all about the experience, are lamenting that ALL ev’s are converging, they all driving the same, literally becoming white goods appliances.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Yeah whatever you say buddy. Make up your own narrative.



Yes, but also to see you make a fool of yourself. Congrats.

Stick to your 118d and let us men who put our money where our mouths are discuss.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I agree with you, petrol sports cars, weekend toys, im all for a everyday EV with great range that I can charge from my solar panels.

I just will not be choosing it when the time comes for a enjoyable driving experience.

And if im after all out performance on a public road at 4am with the risk of rain or police cars chasing me I choose my 700hp TTRS, because it would destroy my GTR, due to its 4wd grip.

But on a racetrack the GTR is quicker and still quicker than a taycan turbo GT, and it can do lap after lap after lap, reliably all day, which the taycan cant, and a 700hp TTRS would see a question mark.

And then me and my friends were discussing the other day, I spent a fortune on the TTRS to get it to 700hp, and I could get 1000hp out of the GTR for a fraction of the cost. Why have I not done so?

And giving it some thought the reality hit me.

4wd car’s largely are boring, unless they have copious amounts of power, they are too easy to drive quickly, not as involving, so I had to add power and chassis mods to bring it alive.

My friends with his 1200hp turbo S agreed, and so did my ex 900hp turbo S friend.

With the AMG GTR, i dont need crazy power, because of the rwd and the mid engined chassis, its entertaining at all speeds. A true enthusiast car that evokes and stirs your emotions the minute you sit in it, and press the start engine button.

“The AMG is all blood and thunder, a sensory sense of occasion overload. And here’s the maddest thing – it’s the steering that completely dominates the seat-of-your-pants, sweaty hands thrill of taming the GT R. No, not the engine. Not the bombastic, unbelievably responsive V8 tucked up into the dashboard, which once and for all erases any excuses BMW might have about turbo engines having the acoustic range of an ITV talent show reject.

The AMG shudders the ground at idle, burbling and chuntering like it’s gargling the super-unleaded, not vaporising it. The cacophonous roar bellowed by its massive central tailpipe, flanked by two hidden outlets billowing superheated air into the diffuser, jiggles jowels and troubles bowels depending where you’ve got the throttle.

But it’s not all happening in your wake – there’s a pulsating cackle reverberating into the cabin too. It’s a scintillating monster of an engine, every cubic centimetre the worthy successor to the old 6.2 V8. Still not as mad as the steering, though.

The GT R is a laugh-a-minute muscle car from an aristocratic German finishing school, and the GT3 is a frustrated Le Mans racing car with cupholders.
And that’s the quandary. Even after it dried out, and the GT3 warmed its slicks and warped around Knockhill, I had more fun in the GT R. More smiles, less serious face.“


And that ladies and gentlemen, is what a enthusiasts car is all about.

It doesnt even need to be the fastest on track, the fastest in a straight line, it just has to stir the emotions, make you feel alive, and most importantly fun to drive. It is meant to be an experience, each journey mesmerising, to the point of after long having parked up, you cast your memory back to that moment, and yearn to live that experience once again.

No EV has ever done that, and I dont think it ever will.

We have even come to the point that some of the reviewers known for being all about the experience, are lamenting that ALL ev’s are converging, they all driving the same, literally becoming white goods appliances.

You're waxing lyrical about all this in a thread about a 4-door EV Grand Tourer.
I feel like this is all massively misplaced.

The AMG GT 4 door EV is not a track-day sports car.

 

[AndreB]

And that ladies and gentlemen, is what a enthusiasts car is all about.

So how can a big 4 door AMG be an enthusiasts car?

To me both electric and petrol can bring emotions, one is silent and very quick in an instant and the other one is noisy, has gears and likes to break traction often and be scary.

 

[Fastpaddy]

So how can a big 4 door AMG be an enthusiasts car?

To me both electric and petrol can bring emotions, one is silent and very quick in an instant and the other one is noisy, has gears and likes to break traction often and be scary.

I never said it was.
Im arguing the exact opposite.

Im saying it will be a sales failure like taycan

 

[Matski]

This conversation is moronic.

Whether you're a car enthusiast is not dictated by what you drive, or what you would drive.

It's not dictated by what you can afford.

It's not dictated by track day receipts.

It's definitely not about sales figures.

It's not dictated by preferred power train or engine configuration.

It's not dictated by which wheels provide traction, how you switch gears, or what the curb weight of the car is.

... and it's not about stroking your own ego.

It's about how passionately you interact with the machine element of any given facet of car culture. Any other position is, as far as I'm concerned, f#cking stupid.

The clue's literally in the word.

 

[Fastpaddy]

This conversation is moronic.

Whether you're a car enthusiast is not dictated by what you drive, or what you would drive.

It's not dictated by what you can afford.

It's not dictated by track day receipts.

It's definitely not about sales figures.

It's not dictated by preferred power train or engine configuration.

It's not dictated by which wheels provide traction, how you switch gears, or what the curb weight of the car is.

... and it's not about stroking your own ego.

It's about how passionately you interact with the machine element of any given facet of car culture. Any other position is, as far as I'm concerned, f#cking stupid.

The clue's literally in the word.

And if my mother had balls she would be my father.

You dont need to be rich to be a car enthusiast.

Its like saying people who do crossfit are body builders or powerlifters. It aint the same.

Real car enthusiasts, will have had or own a portfolio and cars regarded as a enthusiats car and used it in a car enthusiast type manner. Be it a 172 cup, a mx5, or a elise.

Just because you can buy a 911 but all you do is run to the shop and back, doesnt make you a real car enthusiast.

Theres levels to this.

Dont dilute what a real car enthusiast is.

 

[Fastpaddy]

This conversation is moronic.

Whether you're a car enthusiast is not dictated by what you drive, or what you would drive.

It's not dictated by what you can afford.

It's not dictated by track day receipts.

It's definitely not about sales figures.

It's not dictated by preferred power train or engine configuration.

It's not dictated by which wheels provide traction, how you switch gears, or what the curb weight of the car is.

... and it's not about stroking your own ego.

It's about how passionately you interact with the machine element of any given facet of car culture. Any other position is, as far as I'm concerned, f#cking stupid.

The clue's literally in the word.

And its all about sales figures. If it doesnt sell. They wont build it. Come on man.

Rimac himself came out and said, my car is the fastest, but we cannot even sell out a 50 car allocation. People dont want super car ev’s

Rimac, king of the EV’s is the reason why the new bugatti is NOT a EV.

Stop playing games. Market forces are market forces.

All the manufacturers are rowing back on some of their EV plans because of SALES.

Sport car sales figures are UP.

Private traditional car manufacturers EV sales, DOWN.

Premium brand EV sales in the duldrums. Porsche talking about increasing GT car production because the rest of the range is struggling.

Its always about the numbers.

 

[Matski]

And if my mother had balls she would be my father.

This is the typical response to an argument predicated on ifs or buts, of which my post contained none.

You dont need to be rich to be a car enthusiast.

You partially agree with me on that one then.

Its like saying people who do crossfit are body builders or powerlifters. It aint the same.

You're right, it's not the same. You've come up with a shit analogy that doesn't work... which isn't the same.

Real car enthusiasts, will have had or own a portfolio and cars regarded as a enthusiats car and used it in a car enthusiast type manner. Be it a 172 cup, a mx5, or a elise.

Bull-shit no true Scotsman crap again. If being an enthusiast is being determined by ownership portfolio then it's dictated, at least partially, by life circumstances, including wealth - which you'll note isn't required in the actual definition of an enthusiast.

Just because you can buy a 911 but all you do is run to the shop and back, doesnt make you a real car enthusiast.

Agreed.

Dont dilute what a real car enthusiast is.

You're defining a "real" car enthusiast as what works for you. If you're unable to comprehend why this is arrogant baseless gate-keeping auto-fellating of your own ego, I can't help you. Lay off the T-supplements man.

And its all about sales figures. If it doesnt sell. They wont build it. Come on man.

Entirely irrelevant as to whether or not an individual is an auto-enthusiast.

Tesla Model Y, an EV, sells very well, does the owners choice of top-selling car make them a car enthusiast? F-150, Camry?

I'm not keeping track, yours is a GT-R?

So...

... and ...

Bro.. your car is a sales failure... deal with it.

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I say again, this is f#cking stupid. I'm middle-aged, middle-income, middle-England(ish), and as someone that would consider themselves a car enthusiast I've got one degree of separation from factory GT3 drivers, ex-LeMans car owners, track day warriors, restorers of classic cars, Import hounds, garage tuners and also industry professionals, across a wide range of personal demographics... your myopic self-serving world view of what a car enthusiast is, bears no semblance to reality as far as I'm concerned - you want it to be what you want it to be, because it makes you more important, or relevant, in your own mind. It's just pathetic.

I know your ego prevents you from backing down on this, but it really is a waste of time for me, so imma let you finish, I might just move it to a more relevant place than a thread about a specific car we know very little about.

 

[Fastpaddy]

This is the typical response to an argument predicated on ifs or buts, of which my post contained none.



You partially agree with me on that one then.



You're right, it's not the same. You've come up with a shit analogy that doesn't work... which isn't the same.



Bull-shit no true Scotsman crap again. If being an enthusiast is being determined by ownership portfolio then it's dictated, at least partially, by life circumstances, including wealth - which you'll note isn't required in the actual definition of an enthusiast.



Agreed.



You're defining a "real" car enthusiast as what works for you. If you're unable to comprehend why this is arrogant baseless gate-keeping auto-fellating of your own ego, I can't help you. Lay off the T-supplements man.



Entirely irrelevant as to whether or not an individual is an auto-enthusiast.

Tesla Model Y, an EV, sells very well, does the owners choice of top-selling car make them a car enthusiast? F-150, Camry?

I'm not keeping track, yours is a GT-R?

So...

... and ...

Bro.. your car is a sales failure... deal with it.

</s>

I say again, this is f#cking stupid. I'm middle-aged, middle-income, middle-England(ish), and as someone that would consider themselves a car enthusiast I've got one degree of separation from factory GT3 drivers, ex-LeMans car owners, track day warriors, restorers of classic cars, Import hounds, garage tuners and also industry professionals, across a wide range of personal demographics... your myopic self-serving world view of what a car enthusiast is, bears no semblance to reality as far as I'm concerned - you want it to be what you want it to be, because it makes you more important, or relevant, in your own mind. It's just pathetic.

I know your ego prevents you from backing down on this, but it really is a waste of time for me, so imma let you finish, I might just move it to a more relevant place than a thread about a specific car we know very little about.

Again showing your lack of understanding

Wealth has absolutely 0 to do with being a car enthusiast. You can have £1000 and be a car enthusiast. You clearly dont get it.

And you completely do not seem to have a grasp on the correlation of what makes a sports car and something being a sales failure.

A taycan, a mass produced, high production, daily vehicle, for all intents and purposes is currently a sales failure compared to its historic sales. Its not selling at porsches anticipated numbers. Porsche is cutting shift hours on the production line. Its failing.

Was the laferrari a sales failure because they sold a handful? No, its a low production niche car. Its not for the masses. It sold out.

Was the 172 cup a sales failure because they didnt make tens of thousands? No. It was a great success.

Did the GTR, GTR Pro, and GT blackseries sell out their allocation? Yes. Those cars were a success.

Did the LFA, and rimac nevera sell out their allocations? No, they did not, they are a sales failure.

“Enthusiasts say the Lexus LFA is one of the most desirable cars of our generation, but the fact of the matter is the V10 machine was a commercial flop. Even though production ended in 2012 after just 500 units, many vehicles were still reported as being sold new years later.”

To the point they took cars already built back into the factory, took them apart, and rebuilt them as “Nurburgring” editions.

Rimac Nevera, 150 production run. Only sold just over 50. Its a sales flop.

Meanwhile ICE competitors with similar price tags, sell out before the model is even revealed to the general public.

A real car enthusiast, quite simply, owns a vehicle built for performance and driving pleasure, uses and or modifys that vehicle further for driving pleasure, taking part in events, car clubs, meets, trackdays.

Most of the guys here arent real car enthusiasts, they have a passing interest in cars, its something they may read or watch to pass time, usually due to a lack of having another hobby that they are actually passionate about.

Its like saying im a tour de france, lycra wearing, road cycling enthusiast, just because I own a expensive carbon aero bike that I occasionally roll out on sunny summer mornings. I have a passing interest in it, but im not a proper enthusiast. The guys who i occasionally join for casual rides, they are enthusiasts, out rain or shine, several times a week, they take part in events, ride across country, ride abroad. Me claiming to be one of them would be facetious. Its not the same.

Just like how even if someone works in the industry that doesn’t make them a real car enthusiast. Some people just end up where they end up.

Hell, there are professional footballers being paid £100k a week who have admitted they dont even like football, but only do it because somehow they are good at it.

So no, dont compare, wannabes and dreamers, to us guys who actually walk the walk, who are out there doing real car enthusiast shit.

 

[Merc1]

@Fastpaddy

You had me all the way up to when you Aston Martin doesn’t make real enthusiast cars lol.

M

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Again showing your lack of understanding

Wealth has absolutely 0 to do with being a car enthusiast. You can have £1000 and be a car enthusiast. You clearly dont get it.

Ok fair enough. You can be a car enthusiast with £1000.

A real car enthusiast, quite simply, owns a vehicle built for performance and driving pleasure, uses and or modifys that vehicle further for driving pleasure, taking part in events, car clubs, meets, trackdays.

Wait a second. I thought you said you could be a real car enthusiast for just £1000.
Please tell me where I can find a performance car built for driving pleasure for £1000? One that won't cost several times it's own purchase price in maintenance and consumables? Also how do I modify that car for additional driving pleasure whilst staying within said £1000 budget?
Which car clubs and track days can I participate in on a regular basis for <£1000?

See I'm not particularly well off. Most of my paycheck goes into my mortgage, expenses and other necessities. I've had a lot of trouble with my 528i which I enjoy so I actually need to get rid of it cause I can't keep spending £1000s to keep it running properly.

So any advice on how to be a car enthusiast on a budget of £1000 would actually be really fantastic.

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Facetiousness aside, all of what you've described costs a lot of money and is something only people who are financially secure can afford to do.

You can't really own a portfolio of cars if you're just have £1000. You can barely even own any car these days for £1000 forget about an 'enthusiast' or 'performance' car. And that's not even touching the consumables and maintenance costs.

Racing and car club meets and all this is very expensive and time consuming. So what you're effectively arguing here is that you can't be a real car enthusiast if you don't spend a lot of money on cars, whilst also saying you don't need to be rich.
I'm sorry but your own words are at a conflict here? Which is it? Do you need to be rich and spend a lot of money on cars and racing? Or do you not?

Most of the guys here arent real car enthusiasts, they have a passing interest in cars, its something they may read or watch to pass time, usually due to a lack of having another hobby that they are actually passionate about.

Thank you Mr. Gatekeeper, but I think you're confused. You are a Motorsports enthusiast,
not a car enthusiast. You don't need to race cars or even drive them a lot to be a car enthusiast. You can be passionate about the design of cars purely from an aesthetics point or view. You could be passionate about the game engineering. Or whatever else.
There are no rules.

 

[kiki voinea]

Guys , let's make something clear : Fastpaddy is the same dude that said last year ( I think ) , that he drives to the airport in his AMG GT Pro , like any other normal human being .... Hahaha

 

[Fastpaddy]

@Fastpaddy

You had me all the way up to when you Aston Martin doesn’t make real enthusiast cars lol.

M

I mean they make a few, that are completely unobtanium so I dont count those.

Have a few clients with astons, they like cars, but more of a passing interest and a, im just stupid rich so I kinda just have it there kinda vibe.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Guys , let's make something clear : Fastpaddy is the same dude that said last year ( I think ) , that he drives to the airport in his AMG GT Pro , like any other normal human being .... Hahaha

Yep two medium suit cases fit in the back perfectly, even with the rollcage.

Going on a longer vacation this year, so the missus wants a her monster sized case, so we will be taking benz suv.

Why did we take the AMG GTR? Because I enjoy driving it and try to do so at every possible opportunity, particularly after a long hard winter of not many car miles in it

 

[Design FIRST]

What I would also consider a car for "genuine enthusiasts":

Good ones, condition 2- to 2, going for around 6K Euros here in Germany. Loads of fun, good parts availability and much of the maintanance work can be D.I.Y. Personally, I'd feel more "comfortable" in one of these rather than some full-fat AMG GTR, Porsche 911 GT3 RS or modern Lambo. And permitting me to stretch my imagination a bit more, my favorite daily would be, maybe, a Porsche Taycan Sport Turismo or a Macan EV. At least perhaps until the AMG.EA cars presented (Ha ! Back on original thread topic !).

But that's just me-and I'm old

 

[SKY]

Guys , let's make something clear : Fastpaddy is the same dude that said last year ( I think ) , that he drives to the airport in his AMG GT Pro , like any other normal human being .... Hahaha

This is probably a teenage typing in the school breaks here. So highly doubt the AMG Pro part happens anywhere outside a GTA mod or something.

 

[klier]

This is probably a teenage typing in the school breaks here.

No doubt about it.

MAYBE his rich daddy has an AMG GT, but I am not even sure about that.

 

[Shellshock]

Guys come on...this guy even reply to someone who clearly stated that he has him on his ignore list...so he is writing to someone that will not read...how its not clear who you are dealing with?! And the way he speaks maybe he doesnt even own those cars

 

[SKY]

Guys come on...this guy even reply to someone who clearly stated that he has him on his ignore list...so he is writing to someone that will not read...how its not clear who you are dealing with?! And the way he speaks maybe he doesnt even own those cars

My only advice to the guy would be to try and leave the phone aside and study harder. Life is tough once you grow up.