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[Fastpaddy]

This is just one specific country, and doesn't address the original assertion.

Taycan sales are on their ass.

Im sure you are more than capable of googling that yourself and not requiring someone to do it for you.

 

[Matski]

Taycan sales are on their ass.

Im sure you are more than capable of googling that yourself and not requiring someone to do it for you.

Make a claim, support it.

That's how it works.

If it's easy to google, please, demonstrate how Taycan sales are on their ass.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Make a claim, support it.

That's how it works.

If it's easy to google, please, demonstrate how Taycan sales are on their ass.

No i cant be bothered. Its childish, i dont care, the data is readily available, if you care, go look it up. If you want to remain head in the sand then so be it.

Probably why politicians get away with their lies so much. No one can be bothered to do their own research anymore.

 

[klier]

No i cant be bothered. Its childish, i dont care, the data is readily available, if you care, go look it up. If you want to remain head in the sand then so be it.

Probably why politicians get away with their lies so much. No one can be bothered to do their own research anymore.

What you do is even worse

 

[Design FIRST]

To be fair, global sales of the Porsche Taycan have actually held up well in light of the multi-crisis environment (+ the MY 2025 J1.2 presentation) of the past 5 some years. While well under the 2021 peak (some 41.3K) and strong 2022 (some 35K) and 2023 (some 38K), 2024 figures were some 21.6K units. That remains a formidable figure for a car of the Taycan's segment, price and age of the J1.1 cars. That figure will in all likelihood be eclipsed this year, despite the Macan EV having entered the fray. Hence, the Taycan is hardly a "sales flop".
Here in my country, Germany, the Taycan has been clashing sales swords with the "traditional luxury segment standard" W/V223 S-Class from the get-go.

 

[Fastpaddy]

What you do is even worse

Youre meant to be car guys, and even with the numerous statements coming out from german car manufacturers, you guys claim everything is great.

How about you guys back up your claims and produce the great taycan sales figures

 

[SilverArrows]

Porsche dealers are not buying back Taycan, for example as a trade in for a new car from the same dealer. This tells you everything about the model

 

[Design FIRST]

Porsche dealers are not buying back Taycan, for example as a trade in for a new car from the same dealer. This tells you everything about the model

Maybe I'm missing something here... But...

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[Fastpaddy]

Maybe I'm missing something here... But...

Doesnt refute what hes saying.

PCP or lease the car from porsche and at the end of its term its obviously gonna go back to the dealership as per agreement.

What our friend here is saying, those taycans not currently tied into an existing agreement, such as a cash sale, or a second hand purchase outside of porsche, that porsche themselves do not want the vehicle.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Taycan sales dropped 49% in 2024

ICE sports cars however seeing a resurgence in sales over the same period.


And for q1 2025 the taycan sales are even worse than q1 2024.

For a newly released model, its a currently a sales failure

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Just some info about the Taycan sales: there are 1820 Taycan on mobile.de in Germany, that's a lot of used cars. I also heard a rumor (from a reliable source) that many if not most of the VW group Taycan gen I company cars were recycled/scrapped because Porsche decided to rather lose the money there than to put even more Taycans on the used car market. Furthermore, if you look into the type of registration for Taycans in 2024 youll see that over 70% were commercial and dealers. That is the highest of the segment. Imho Taycan is struggling especially if you consider the problems in America and China. Porsche has a very large issue at hand...

 

[Design FIRST]

I also heard a rumor (from a reliable source) that many if not most of the VW group Taycan gen I company cars were recycled/scrapped because Porsche decided to rather lose the money there than to put even more Taycans on the used car market.

Perhaps the recycling process is lucrative enough to make it financially worthwhile for Porsche AG. Batteries as highly efficient energy storage units when the components required for automobiles are stripped, raw material recovery from auto bodies, suspension components, reusable e-motors. etc.

 

[Observer1]

To be fair, global sales of the Porsche Taycan have actually held up well in light of the multi-crisis environment (+ the MY 2025 J1.2 presentation) of the past 5 some years. While well under the 2021 peak (some 41.3K) and strong 2022 (some 35K) and 2023 (some 38K), 2024 figures were some 21.6K units. That remains a formidable figure for a car of the Taycan's segment, price and age of the J1.1 cars. That figure will in all likelihood be eclipsed this year, despite the Macan EV having entered the fray. Hence, the Taycan is hardly a "sales flop".
Here in my country, Germany, the Taycan has been clashing sales swords with the "traditional luxury segment standard" W/V223 S-Class from the get-go.

Indeed, the actual sales figures bear that out. Year to date, the Taycan registered a 43.1% increase in Sales in the Germany, Europes largest car market between January to March, having registered 767 new Taycans. What most comments in the thread overlook is that one has to look at the segment the Taycan is selling in.

Just some info about the Taycan sales: there are 1820 Taycan on mobile.de in Germany, that's a lot of used cars. I also heard a rumor (from a reliable source) that many if not most of the VW group Taycan gen I company cars were recycled/scrapped because Porsche decided to rather lose the money there than to put even more Taycans on the used car market. Furthermore, if you look into the type of registration for Taycans in 2024 youll see that over 70% were commercial and dealers. That is the highest of the segment. Imho Taycan is struggling especially if you consider the problems in America and China. Porsche has a very large issue at hand...

The concern I have here is that you are looking at the Taycan in isolation. If I look at the competition. So the Porsche has sold 767 Taycans in the first 3 months of 2025 in Germany, during the same period Lucid have sold 35 Air units, Tesla has sold 40 Model S units (a 65.5% drop), BMW has sold 499 7 series (a 33.6% drop), Mercedes S Class (ICE & BEV) sold 1,177 units (a 19.9 drop over last years results).

So the question that needs to be answered is why Lucid only sold 35 units, Tesla only sold 40 units or, to move away from US brands, why Lotus only sold 9 units in the first 3 months in Germany or why Nio only shifted 21 units of the ET7 in the first 3 months in of this year?

The entire segment sales dropped by 13.3% over last year's January to March period. Then the analysis would be of some value rather than construing some issue around the Taycan.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Indeed, the actual sales figures bear that out. Year to date, the Taycan registered a 43.1% increase in Sales in the Germany, Europes largest car market between January to March, having registered 767 new Taycans. What most comments in the thread overlook is that one has to look at the segment the Taycan is selling in.



The concern I have here is that you are looking at the Taycan in isolation. If I look at the competition. So the Porsche has sold 767 Taycans in the first 3 months of 2025 in Germany, during the same period Lucid have sold 35 Air units, Tesla has sold 40 Model S units (a 65.5% drop), BMW has sold 499 7 series (a 33.6% drop), Mercedes S Class (ICE & BEV) sold 1,177 units (a 19.9 drop over last years results).

So the question that needs to be answered is why Lucid only sold 35 units, Tesla only sold 40 units or, to move away from US brands, why Lotus only sold 9 units in the first 3 months in Germany or why Nio only shifted 21 units of the ET7 in the first 3 months in of this year?

The entire segment sales dropped by 13.3% over last year's January to March period. Then the analysis would be of some value rather than construing some issue around the Taycan.

Some would interpret that as in what would have been tesla sales then ended up as taycan sales after musk’s antics.

Tesla has afterall seen the biggest fall in germany.

And segment is pretty much irrelevant. Poor sales are poor sales and germany is an outlier in its reaction to musks behaviour.

The true picture is looking at europe or worldwide sales, and in relation to the original discussion, it does infact appear that AMG/mercedes are storming ahead in a sector that sees no great demand for premium EV’s

 

[Observer1]

Some would interpret that as in what would have been tesla sales then ended up as taycan sales after musk’s antics.

Tesla has afterall seen the biggest fall in germany.

And segment is pretty much irrelevant. Poor sales are poor sales and germany is an outlier in its reaction to musks behaviour.

The true picture is looking at europe or worldwide sales, and in relation to the original discussion, it does infact appear that AMG/mercedes are storming ahead in a sector that sees no great demand for premium EV’s

Tesla's sales have not just tanked across Germany but also in the rest of Europe & China as well across the Tesla model range.

" France, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands fall for 3rd straight month"

Tesla sales rout in Europe deepens

"U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab sold 78,828 China-made electric vehicles in March, down 11.5% from a year earlier, data from the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA) showed on Wednesday."

Tesla's China-made EV sales fall 11.5% y/y in March

Indeed, even in the US Tesla's latest offering, the Cybertruck is stalling and it would be too easy to just blame the CEO's antics for this.

"While Elon Musk might have once boasted about having over a million Cybertruck reservations, the brand has only sold around 50,000 as of March. That means that not only does it have a lot of them sitting around, but it also needs to reduce its production to control the Cybertruck inventory."

Cybertruck Isn’t Selling So Tesla Shifts Production To What Actually Sells

So while this shows Tesla's poor performance across segments (likely an aging model range), it does not explain why other brands like Lucid or Lotus or Nio performed with barely double figure sales over the first 3 months this year in Europe's largest market, Germany.

Remarkably, the market for BEVs grew by 35.5% in Germany in the month of March:

"Die Elektro (BEV) Pkw erreichten ein Plus von 35,5 Prozent."

Fahrzeugzulassungen im März 2025

My main point being, always look at the segment a particular vehicle finds itself in and then see how this segment is performing rather than looking at particular models and attempting to extrapolate some trend.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

This is all fantastic, but what does this have to do with the GT?

 

[Design FIRST]

This is all fantastic, but what does this have to do with the GT?

True...we've been veering away from the original thread topic. Back to the AMG.EA 4 door GT. I can't wait for this cars official presentation.

 

[Observer1]

This is all fantastic, but what does this have to do with the GT?

I agree, this discussion has gone a bit off-track. I suppose the main point was whether the GT will sell well in a segment (high-end BEVs) that is not exactly a growth segment but overall recorded a 13.3% decline in the first 3 months of 2025 when compared to last year in Germany.

 

[Design FIRST]

I agree, this discussion has gone a bit off-track. I suppose the main point was whether the GT will sell well in a segment (high-end BEVs) that is not exactly a growth segment but overall recorded a 13.3% decline in the first 3 months of 2025 when compared to last year in Germany.

Of course, Germany having been and continuing to be in the clutches of a serious economic recession is certainly a factor regarding domestic market sales.

 

[klier]

Taycan sales dropped 49% in 2024

ICE sports cars however seeing a resurgence in sales over the same period.

If you think ICE sportscar sales and the Taycan are in any way related you couldn't be further from the truth. People don't cross shop the 718 and Taycan.