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[Big Sam]

Just look at Porsche, Mercedes, and BMW. The gains in EV sales are almost all in the low-end and the mid market. Expensive EVs are very difficult to sell.

I was asking for actual data. It's very easy for people to repeat clickbait headlines and YouTube videos about how they "feel" things are. Do you have *actual* data which shows high-end EVs are in decline?

 

[Wunderkind]

I was asking for actual data. It's very easy for people to repeat clickbait headlines and YouTube videos about how they "feel" things are. Do you have *actual* data which shows high-end EVs are in

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/mercedes-benz-q1-deliveries-fall-7-weaker-demand-china-europe-2025-04-07/

German car manufacturers achieve 5% EV market share in China - electrive.com

In China, the combined electric market share of Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche was only around five per cent last year, according to a report. In

www.electrive.com

 

[Design FIRST]

It can be taken into consideration that Chinese upper executive/luxury EVs have successfully encroached various German brands traditional sales territory in China. BYD Yangwang, Denza, Zeekr, Xiaomi, Ypeng and Li Auto have been presenting some very compelling executive/luxury segment EVs.

 

[Wunderkind]

It can be taken into consideration that Chinese upper executive/luxury EVs have successfully encroached various German brands traditional sales territory in China. BYD Yangwang, Denza, Zeekr, Xiaomi, Ypeng and Li Auto have been presenting some very compelling executive/luxury segment EVs.

Yes indeed

 

[Merc1]

None of this singles out high end EVs. If anything it just says the Germans are having trouble with their EVs across the price spectrum.

M

 

[Big Sam]

This is just one specific country, and doesn't address the original assertion.

 

[Design FIRST]

FWIW...

In Germany, the VW Group as well as BMW have been more recent major beneficiaries of Tesla being resolutely shunned by new car shoppers/leasers. Cars such as the various VW IDs, Skoda Enyaq and BMW i5 are posting significant sales increases. It is anticipated that M-B will join the party when the CLA, C-Class BEV, and GLA + GLC BEVs come "on line". And judging from the pre-presentation buzz that the BMW Neue Klasse BEVs have been enjoying, they should surely make a significant positive impact on (not only German market) BEV sales.

 

[Observer1]

This is just one specific country, and doesn't address the original assertion.

Indeed. Looking at the new registrations in March 2025 in Germany, the Taycan is holding it's own in comparison with the competition, with a 43.1% increase in new registrations when compared to the same period last year with 300 units sold, thus taking again the #2 spot the "Upper Class" (=Oberklasse) segment after the Mercedes S Class (that includes ICE & BEV models). Of course, the bulk are company cars rather than private buys but that is the norm in that segment.

(Sorry for the formatting glitches).

OBERKLASSE	AUDI A7		189	12.3	96.9	86.8	523	11.6	83.5	85.1
AUDI A8		95	6.2	-50.5	87.4	342	7.6	-30.8	86.3
AUDI E-TRON GT		97	6.3	-37.8	80.4	289	6.4	-17.9	85.5
BENTLEY CONTINENTAL		29	1.9	-45.3	75.9	112	2.5	-11.8	75.9
BMW 7ER		150	9.8	-44.6	88.0	499	11.1	-33.6	89.0
BMW 8ER		59	3.9	-73.4	88.1	171	3.8	-63.4	88.3
HYUNDAI G90		7	0.5	X	100.0	11	0.2	X	90.9
LOTUS EMEYA	Neu 03/2024	1	0.1	X	-	6	0.1	X	66.7
LUCID AIR		7	0.5	X	71.4	35	0.8	X	88.6
MASERATI GHIBLI		-	-	X	X	3	0.1	X	33.3
MERCEDES CLS		2	0.1	X	100.0	2	0.0	-95.1	100.0
MERCEDES S-KLASSE		376	24.6	-20.3	85.1	1,177	26.1	-19.9	84.3
NIO ET7		8	0.5	X	100.0	21	0.5	X	100.0
PORSCHE PANAMERA		189	12.3	220.3	77.8	481	10.7	0.8	78.4
PORSCHE TAYCAN		300	19.6	322.5	81.7	767	17.0	43.1	82.4
ROLLS ROYCE SPECTRE		8	0.5	X	100.0	30	0.7	-	96.7
TESLA MODEL S		14	0.9	-70.8	71.4	40	0.9	-65.5	72.5

 

[Design FIRST]

Indeed. Looking at the new registrations in March 2025 in Germany, the Taycan is holding it's own in comparison with the competition, with a 43.1% increase in new registrations when compared to the same period last year with 300 units sold, thus taking again the #2 spot the "Upper Class" (=Oberklasse) segment after the Mercedes S Class (that includes ICE & BEV models). Of course, the bulk are company cars rather than private buys but that is the norm in that segment.

(Sorry for the formatting glitches).

OBERKLASSE	AUDI A7		189	12.3	96.9	86.8	523	11.6	83.5	85.1
AUDI A8		95	6.2	-50.5	87.4	342	7.6	-30.8	86.3
AUDI E-TRON GT		97	6.3	-37.8	80.4	289	6.4	-17.9	85.5
BENTLEY CONTINENTAL		29	1.9	-45.3	75.9	112	2.5	-11.8	75.9
BMW 7ER		150	9.8	-44.6	88.0	499	11.1	-33.6	89.0
BMW 8ER		59	3.9	-73.4	88.1	171	3.8	-63.4	88.3
HYUNDAI G90		7	0.5	X	100.0	11	0.2	X	90.9
LOTUS EMEYA	Neu 03/2024	1	0.1	X	-	6	0.1	X	66.7
LUCID AIR		7	0.5	X	71.4	35	0.8	X	88.6
MASERATI GHIBLI		-	-	X	X	3	0.1	X	33.3
MERCEDES CLS		2	0.1	X	100.0	2	0.0	-95.1	100.0
MERCEDES S-KLASSE		376	24.6	-20.3	85.1	1,177	26.1	-19.9	84.3
NIO ET7		8	0.5	X	100.0	21	0.5	X	100.0
PORSCHE PANAMERA		189	12.3	220.3	77.8	481	10.7	0.8	78.4
PORSCHE TAYCAN		300	19.6	322.5	81.7	767	17.0	43.1	82.4
ROLLS ROYCE SPECTRE		8	0.5	X	100.0	30	0.7	-	96.7
TESLA MODEL S		14	0.9	-70.8	71.4	40	0.9	-65.5	72.5

397 in total for the J1 (.2) architecture cars. Not a bad figure in light of current market conditions.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Indeed. Looking at the new registrations in March 2025 in Germany, the Taycan is holding it's own in comparison with the competition, with a 43.1% increase in new registrations when compared to the same period last year with 300 units sold, thus taking again the #2 spot the "Upper Class" (=Oberklasse) segment after the Mercedes S Class (that includes ICE & BEV models). Of course, the bulk are company cars rather than private buys but that is the norm in that segment.

(Sorry for the formatting glitches).

OBERKLASSE	AUDI A7		189	12.3	96.9	86.8	523	11.6	83.5	85.1
AUDI A8		95	6.2	-50.5	87.4	342	7.6	-30.8	86.3
AUDI E-TRON GT		97	6.3	-37.8	80.4	289	6.4	-17.9	85.5
BENTLEY CONTINENTAL		29	1.9	-45.3	75.9	112	2.5	-11.8	75.9
BMW 7ER		150	9.8	-44.6	88.0	499	11.1	-33.6	89.0
BMW 8ER		59	3.9	-73.4	88.1	171	3.8	-63.4	88.3
HYUNDAI G90		7	0.5	X	100.0	11	0.2	X	90.9
LOTUS EMEYA	Neu 03/2024	1	0.1	X	-	6	0.1	X	66.7
LUCID AIR		7	0.5	X	71.4	35	0.8	X	88.6
MASERATI GHIBLI		-	-	X	X	3	0.1	X	33.3
MERCEDES CLS		2	0.1	X	100.0	2	0.0	-95.1	100.0
MERCEDES S-KLASSE		376	24.6	-20.3	85.1	1,177	26.1	-19.9	84.3
NIO ET7		8	0.5	X	100.0	21	0.5	X	100.0
PORSCHE PANAMERA		189	12.3	220.3	77.8	481	10.7	0.8	78.4
PORSCHE TAYCAN		300	19.6	322.5	81.7	767	17.0	43.1	82.4
ROLLS ROYCE SPECTRE		8	0.5	X	100.0	30	0.7	-	96.7
TESLA MODEL S		14	0.9	-70.8	71.4	40	0.9	-65.5	72.5

if i remember correctly the taycan had a very large amount of fleet, dealer, OEM registrations (like 75%) to keep it afloat. Not sure if someone can look up that date.

 

[klier]

Eight Spectres

 

[SCOTT27]

Eight Spectres

Spooky isn’t it?

 

[SCOTT27]

FWIW...

In Germany, the VW Group as well as BMW have been more recent major beneficiaries of Tesla being resolutely shunned by new car shoppers/leasers. Cars such as the various VW IDs, Skoda Enyaq and BMW i5 are posting significant sales increases. It is anticipated that M-B will join the party when the CLA, C-Class BEV, and GLA + GLC BEVs come "on line". And judging from the pre-presentation buzz that the BMW Neue Klasse BEVs have been enjoying, they should surely make a significant positive impact on (not only German market) BEV sales.

There is also the updated Model Y coming this Summer. Anti-Tesla supporters in Germany do not buy cars.

 

[Wunderkind]

397 in total for the J1 (.2) architecture cars. Not a bad figure in light of current market conditions.

The Taycan just had a facelift. I’m not sure this is good news. It’s actually pretty bad if those registrations include discounted pre-facelift models.

 

[Design FIRST]

The Taycan just had a facelift. I’m not sure this is good news. It’s actually pretty bad if those registrations include discounted pre-facelift models.

Mind you, "in light of current conditions".

Germany has been in the clutches of an "official" statistically substantiated economic recession since early 2023, the actual catalyst having been initiated in spring of 2022. And, combined sales of J1 (.2) cars (Audi etron GT, Porsche Taycan) are performing quite well when compared to combined sales of M-B EQS sedans and W223 S-Class sedans. Regarding M-B, the EQS sedans share of sales in relation to those of the W223 are remarkably low, hence the EV is not doing very well at all. The J1 and J1(.2) vehicles are exclusively electric. I question the relevance of the "pre-facelift" element.

 

[Design FIRST]

There is also the updated Model Y coming this Summer. Anti-Tesla supporters in Germany do not buy cars.

A Model Y update will be of little if any relevance regarding Tesla sales in Germany. The most daunting task at hand for Elon Musk and Tesla will be rehabilitation of public perception. Musk and Tesla have become absolute NO GO territory in the realm of vast numbers of German consumers. Many of which who do, in fact, buy cars.

This should actually please you. All the more BEV shoppers dropping by their local BMW reps to have a closer look at the i4, i5, iX and soon, the NA0 i3.

 

[Big Sam]

When I ask for data, I'm not doing it from the perspective of an owner of BEVs and therefore with an agenda. I just get sick of reading people reporting stuff as if it's fact, when their source is clickbait headlines (and only headlines), or sensationalist YouTube videos. If someone states something as fact, fine, but show me the proof.

 

[TATE]

An AMG without an engine? Time to think the unthinkable as new electric GT nears

CAR magazine UK reveals the first details of the upcoming new electric car from Mercedes-AMG, including details on the new GT's Yasa-derived electric motors

www.carmagazine.co.uk

 

[Design FIRST]

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[klugscheisser87]

Very much reminds me of that special version of the Ferrari 456 with 4 doors every time I see this car:

Not a bad thing at all to be reminded of this beauty......

But like said before, the devil will be in the details. And the devil's surname is Wagener in this context..

I wouldn’t be surprised if it will get the CLA front… remember the A>CLS>SL
Just now they are in even worse situation designwise and not only.