M3/M4 Your predictions on the upcoming M3 V8 CSL

[SCOTT27]

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As for the format of GINA it is not too far into the future as you think.
One of the most interesting developments of this idea is how BMW's engineers have developed BMW Activeaerodynamik - Moveable Underbody panels that can create more or less flow over a car ( This is more than just a spoiler that adjusts to speed) But Body panels that can adjust to improve downforce and improve efficiency. GINA is the teaser , eventually you will see something further down the line that takes the idea to the feasible.

 

[jack]

its still hard to imagine to transform the gina idea into a production car(into a CSL car). it would take several electrical motors(or pneumatik actors ?) to make panels move, and under airpressure these motors/actors would need to be really strong. moving metal parts/carbon parts would also leave gaps in the car body - thats why a textile skin is used in the gina concept(at least thats what i think)
and improving effiency with pumping energy into actors, is something i need to see to believe

 

[vedjo01]

This car is gonna be mental..I´m 110 percent sure in it..

 

[H50]

its still hard to imagine to transform the gina idea into a production car(into a CSL car). it would take several electrical motors(or pneumatik actors ?) to make panels move, and under airpressure these motors/actors would need to be really strong. moving metal parts/carbon parts would also leave gaps in the car body - thats why a textile skin is used in the gina concept(at least thats what i think)
and improving effiency with pumping energy into actors, is something i need to see to believe

I dont think we are going to see moving metal pieces as the gina concept maybe more as what they already have as the airflow control for the Engine on the X6.. when the engine doesnt need more air the flaps are closed for better effeciency and airflow...


If turned like the Red car its really gona sell good..

 

[NarutoRamen]

So my main question is: Is the CSL gonna be available in all markets or is the US gonna be left out again like we were last time? Question might have been aswered but I didn't feel like reading hundreds of post to get to it.

 

[LaArtist]

^ohh i expect that very much..especially with the weak dollar..
they dont even need to bring it to the US..
they will have more then enough orders where money is worth something

 

[NarutoRamen]

^ohh i expect that very much..especially with the weak dollar..
they dont even need to bring it to the US..
they will have more then enough orders where money is worth something

You expect the US to get left out? I highly doubt it will be "money" that will be the cause, simply because it's the "average" american that is feeling the crunch. The rich folks are unaffected, and I'm sure this car will be aimed at the folks who are not feeling the economic crunch.

 

[Zafiro]

So my main question is: Is the CSL gonna be available in all markets or is the US gonna be left out again like we were last time? Question might have been aswered but I didn't feel like reading hundreds of post to get to it.

According to Scott here, you guys wont see a M3 CSL in the states.

 

[NarutoRamen]

According to Scott here, you guys wont see a M3 CSL in the states.

Thanks. Must be the same isht as last time around...emmisions. Now with the new CAFE rules coming up, cars like the standard M3 will be rare, forget about the CSL. It aint that people don't have money...they do, it's the damn emmisions.

 

[siko]

Next BMW M3 CSL to flex 470hp, 186mph top speed

The next generation of the BMW CSL (for Coupe Sport Lightweight) is due to debut for the 2010 model year, along with a freshened up ‘run-of-the-mill’ M3. The new car will follow the CSL’s less is more philosophy and go on a diet that will include deleting some of its creature comforts. Unlike previous CSLs, the new car will feature a bigger power bump to its 4.0-liter V8 as well.


The CSL will be a vehicle for the hardcore, getting rid of its navigation system and radio, along with all weighty speakers and the air conditioning system, as per Germany’s AutoZeitung reports.

To boost the power-to-weight ratio further, the engine is also getting a generous bump in power, expected to make 470 horsepower versus the standard car’s 420, although it’s not known if the freshened M3 will get a bump itself. The V8 seems to be capable of it, as it has already been fettled to make 485hp in the ALMS M3 racecar. The newfound muscle, along with various aerodynamic and suspension tweaks, will grant the car higher performance, including a 186mph top speed and a 0-62mph sprint in under 4.5 seconds.

Carbon fiber will again be found throughout the car, including in the hood, roof, side panels, rear bumper and front spoiler. A slightly less costly and elegant material will be used to line the trunk: cardboard.

Look for the 2010 BMW CSL to make its debut at the 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show. Pricing is expected to be the equivalent of $143,000, with only 100 units being made.

[Source: LLN]

 

[klier]

E92 M3 CSL: 470/3.999 = 117 hp per liter

E46 M3 CSL: 360/3.246 = 111 hp per liter

E92 M3 weight = 1655 kg...minus around 100 kg is 1555 kg for M3 CSL

E46 M3 CSL weight = 1385 kg

E92 M3 CSL is around 170 kg heavier than E46 M3 CSL, but has 110 hp more....

 

[LaArtist]

Im not paying 150K for something made out of cardboard

 

[Centurion]

Im not paying 150K for something made out of cardboard

Price is wrong. Will be more between 80-90k.

 

[Zafiro]

Check the other thread, the interview with some guy at BMW. There is apparently no M3 CSL coming

 

[Centurion]

Check the other thread, the interview with some guy at BMW. There is apparently no M3 CSL coming

I guess a 135tii will be BMW's new little track demon.

 

[Mr Robert]

That would not be a that bad alternative... sure, I will be limited to what the M3 can do (since BMW has chosen to step down a bit in the performance department) but still.

 

[Centurion]

I find it to be more suitable as a track oriented car than the M3 which is now the size of a true grand turismo. The downside to using the 135tii as a platform is that it's capabilities will be constrained.

 

[Sunny]

Im not paying 150K for something made out of cardboard

Yes, we know you MB boys love your 4000 lb whales .

 

[bum-man]

At least we have A/C.

 

[LaArtist]

Yes, we know you MB boys love your 4000 lb whales .

Lol it was a joke man.D

But yeah i adore heavy benzes..
The heavier the better..
Heavy and powerfull

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