Video Games XBOX & Nintendo Wii trump PS3 sales over Holiday Season
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Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
This is the beginning of the end for the PS3. GTA and Final Fantasy are no longer exclusive and it's taking ages for the new GRan Turismo to launch. Most importantly the Bluray novelty diminished in 2008. Now you can get a dedicad Bluray player for less money than a PS3 and it will offer better sound, connectivity and picture quality. Because of that sales will rock drop in the month to come as there is a good number of people who've bought the console purely for it's bluray capabilities which have no been redundant.
Yperion
Cornering Kingpin
Well said. XBOX 360 offers more and better games for less money and XBOX Live beats PSN in every possible way.
Also Wii has taken Playstation's 2 place as the most fun to own console.
Yperion
Cornering Kingpin
You should also read this...very funny...
How Sony helped Microsoft produce the Xbox 360
A new book by two IBM chip designers says Sony's Cell chip research was used to the benefit of Microsoft's Xbox 360 processor
Sony's expensive Cell chip development with IBM helped Microsoft when Microsoft went to IBM for its Xbox 360 chip, according to a piece in The Wall Street Journal: How Sony inadvertently helped a competitor and lost position in the videogame market. It's based on a book published today: The Race for a New Game Machine by David Shippy and Mickie Phipps (Citadel, 240 pages, $21.95). The story says:
In 2003, IBM's Adam Bennett showed Microsoft specs for the still-in-development Cell core. Microsoft was interested and contracted with IBM for their own chip, to be built around the core that IBM was still building with Sony.
All three of the original partners had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients. But it does not seem to have occurred to Sony that IBM would sell key parts of the Cell before it was complete and to Sony's primary videogame-console competitor. The result was that Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for Microsoft to use against it.
It's not clear which bits the author has in mind, since the Xbox 360 chip is based on IBM's PowerPC architecture. The only logical conclusion is that the Cell is also based on the IBM PowerPC architecture. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with Shippy. IBM's Introduction to the Cell multiprocessor says:
He was one of the lead architects for the POWER2*, G3 PowerPC, and POWER4* processor designs. He is currently the chief architect for the power processing unit for the Cell processor. Mr Shippy holds numerous patents, has received an IBM Tenth Plateau Invention Achievement Award, and has been recognized as an IBM Master Inventor.
The story concludes:
For Sony, the Cell processor was such a debacle that two weeks after the Playstation 3 finally appeared in stores, the company fired Ken Kutaragi, the head of its gaming unit, who had championed the Cell and built the Playstation line. The lesson, lost on Mr Shippy and Ms Phipps, is that technical supremacy divorced from sound strategic vision is no virtue. It can even end up in disaster.
Well, the PlayStation 3 was a debacle in other respects, too: even if the Cell chip had been ready earlier, Sony would still have been waiting for Blu-ray development, and the system was launched before the Blu-ray software specification was finished.
How Sony helped Microsoft produce the Xbox 360 | Technology | guardian.co.uk
How Sony helped Microsoft produce the Xbox 360
A new book by two IBM chip designers says Sony's Cell chip research was used to the benefit of Microsoft's Xbox 360 processor
Sony's expensive Cell chip development with IBM helped Microsoft when Microsoft went to IBM for its Xbox 360 chip, according to a piece in The Wall Street Journal: How Sony inadvertently helped a competitor and lost position in the videogame market. It's based on a book published today: The Race for a New Game Machine by David Shippy and Mickie Phipps (Citadel, 240 pages, $21.95). The story says:
In 2003, IBM's Adam Bennett showed Microsoft specs for the still-in-development Cell core. Microsoft was interested and contracted with IBM for their own chip, to be built around the core that IBM was still building with Sony.
All three of the original partners had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients. But it does not seem to have occurred to Sony that IBM would sell key parts of the Cell before it was complete and to Sony's primary videogame-console competitor. The result was that Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for Microsoft to use against it.
It's not clear which bits the author has in mind, since the Xbox 360 chip is based on IBM's PowerPC architecture. The only logical conclusion is that the Cell is also based on the IBM PowerPC architecture. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with Shippy. IBM's Introduction to the Cell multiprocessor says:
He was one of the lead architects for the POWER2*, G3 PowerPC, and POWER4* processor designs. He is currently the chief architect for the power processing unit for the Cell processor. Mr Shippy holds numerous patents, has received an IBM Tenth Plateau Invention Achievement Award, and has been recognized as an IBM Master Inventor.
The story concludes:
For Sony, the Cell processor was such a debacle that two weeks after the Playstation 3 finally appeared in stores, the company fired Ken Kutaragi, the head of its gaming unit, who had championed the Cell and built the Playstation line. The lesson, lost on Mr Shippy and Ms Phipps, is that technical supremacy divorced from sound strategic vision is no virtue. It can even end up in disaster.
Well, the PlayStation 3 was a debacle in other respects, too: even if the Cell chip had been ready earlier, Sony would still have been waiting for Blu-ray development, and the system was launched before the Blu-ray software specification was finished.
How Sony helped Microsoft produce the Xbox 360 | Technology | guardian.co.uk
Cashmere
RPM Ruler
How is this so? I doubt that some Bluray players will play better then others?
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
The PS3 is a good Bluray player but not the best. Dedicated ones have better audio and video processors and more delicate converters and such. A dedicated player offers deeper blacks, less blur and less distorted sound.
After all the PS3 is first a gaming console and then a bluray player which is why it doesn't use the best components. This applies to DVD players too, go and watch DVD playback using a high end Denon player versus a normal Philips one and you shall see the differences quite clearly. All DVD players in your average consumer electronic stores are compromised for the sake of being affordable for the average consumers while the ones in HiFi stores uses more expensive components catering to those willing to pay for top performance. A normal DVD player weigh just over 1kg while the most expensive ones tip the scale at 15-20kg. It's like comparing a V8 engine from a Chevy versus one with the same displacement from a Ferrari.
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15-20 KG ? You mean 1,5-2 kg ? Anyway i don't think the difference is that big Luw, unless you invest in whole Prenium package wich include the prenium TV, Sound system, cables...
bum-man
Driving Dynamics Pro
Apart from a few things (RROD, and standard HDD) Microsoft simply got it right with the 360. It is the most refined gaming and now media experience out there. Sony lost a bit of the plot when they were marketing the PS3 as a bluray machine and now they are picking up the pieces slowly so hopefully their blockbuster Killzone wont suck.
Oh and the Wii can go to Hell. What a cluster **** that is wasting good franchises on a pile of junk. 
Oh and the Wii can go to Hell. What a cluster **** that is wasting good franchises on a pile of junk.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
You read it right my friend, 15-20 kilos
. The difference is actually very notable. A simple jump from a €70 DVD player to one for €180 offer a substantial difference. Just walk into your proper home cinema store and they'll demonstrate it for you. Cables are irrelevant now when HMDI has been introduced. It's all digital so the most expensive cable on the market won't do the job better than a cheap one. If you're into HiFi and come cinema the difference are noticeable and do matter. In the end it all depends on your setup off course but if you have a decent system from good brands they the step up in price does often pay off.
Cashmere
RPM Ruler
You should also read this...very funny...
How Sony helped Microsoft produce the Xbox 360
A new book by two IBM chip designers says Sony's Cell chip research was used to the benefit of Microsoft's Xbox 360 processor
Sony's expensive Cell chip development with IBM helped Microsoft when Microsoft went to IBM for its Xbox 360 chip, according to a piece in The Wall Street Journal: How Sony inadvertently helped a competitor and lost position in the videogame market. It's based on a book published today: The Race for a New Game Machine by David Shippy and Mickie Phipps (Citadel, 240 pages, $21.95). The story says:
In 2003, IBM's Adam Bennett showed Microsoft specs for the still-in-development Cell core. Microsoft was interested and contracted with IBM for their own chip, to be built around the core that IBM was still building with Sony.
All three of the original partners had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients. But it does not seem to have occurred to Sony that IBM would sell key parts of the Cell before it was complete and to Sony's primary videogame-console competitor. The result was that Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for Microsoft to use against it.
It's not clear which bits the author has in mind, since the Xbox 360 chip is based on IBM's PowerPC architecture. The only logical conclusion is that the Cell is also based on the IBM PowerPC architecture. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with Shippy. IBM's Introduction to the Cell multiprocessor says:
He was one of the lead architects for the POWER2*, G3 PowerPC, and POWER4* processor designs. He is currently the chief architect for the power processing unit for the Cell processor. Mr Shippy holds numerous patents, has received an IBM Tenth Plateau Invention Achievement Award, and has been recognized as an IBM Master Inventor.
The story concludes:
For Sony, the Cell processor was such a debacle that two weeks after the Playstation 3 finally appeared in stores, the company fired Ken Kutaragi, the head of its gaming unit, who had championed the Cell and built the Playstation line. The lesson, lost on Mr Shippy and Ms Phipps, is that technical supremacy divorced from sound strategic vision is no virtue. It can even end up in disaster.
Well, the PlayStation 3 was a debacle in other respects, too: even if the Cell chip had been ready earlier, Sony would still have been waiting for Blu-ray development, and the system was launched before the Blu-ray software specification was finished.
How Sony helped Microsoft produce the Xbox 360 | Technology | guardian.co.uk
Imhotep Evil
Torque Titan
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^ The biggest problem with the PS3 is that Sony originally designed it around the Cell/CPU, then boasted about full 1080p HD graphical goodies.
Witch is just insane because only high-end PCs with triple SLI/cross-fire video-cards configuration on DX10 games like Warhead or Clear Sky can deliver that.
CPUs designers and design simply aren't the pinnacle of development.
^ The biggest problem with the PS3 is that Sony originally designed it around the Cell/CPU, then boasted about full 1080p HD graphical goodies.
Witch is just insane because only high-end PCs with triple SLI/cross-fire video-cards configuration on DX10 games like Warhead or Clear Sky can deliver that.
CPUs designers and design simply aren't the pinnacle of development.
klier
Premium
Huh? Says who??? Nintendo has been making huge profits ever since the NES in 1985. Every single year, on and on.
Nintendo is the absolute winner this generation, and I love it. I like Nintendo even more than BMW
For every 360 sold, Nintendo sells 3 Wii systems. Sony has indeed completely lost it this generation. The best combo to own right now is Wii60, which I of course do as a die-hard gaming fanatic.
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