911 World premiere of the new Porsche 911 (992.2)

New Porsche 911: T-Hybrid for significantly enhanced performance
28/05/2024

Porsche has fundamentally upgraded the iconic 911 sports car. The new 911 Carrera GTS is the first street-legal 911 equipped with a super-lightweight performance hybrid. The 911 Carrera will also be available immediately upon the launch of the new model. The newly developed, innovative powertrain system, with 3.6 litres of displacement (911 Carrera GTS) provisional values:
Fuel consumption* combined (WLTP) 11.0 – 10.5 l/100 km, CO emissions* combined (WLTP) 251 – 239 g/km, CO2 class G ), delivers significantly improved driving performance. The 911 Carrera GTS Coupé accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 3.0 seconds and reaches a top speed of 312 km/h. The 911 Carrera will also be available immediately upon the launch of the new model. It is powered by a lightly modified 3.0-litre twin-turbo boxer engine (911 Carrera: Fuel consumption* combined (WLTP) 10.7 – 10.1 l/100 km, CO emissions* combined (WLTP) 244 – 230 g/km, CO2 class G ) that is more powerful than its predecessor’s. The new 911 also features a revamped design, better aerodynamics, a fresh interior, upgraded standard equipment and expanded connectivity.

With the relaunch of its iconic model, Porsche has modernised four of its six model lines in just a few months: Panamera, Taycan, Macan and 911. “Our product portfolio is younger than ever and highly attractive,” says CEO Oliver Blume. “It offers our customers even more customisation options and exclusive experiences.”

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[Mr. Mercedes]

I’m glad everyone is now seeing Porsche’s extreme cost-cutting measures in their interiors. It’s gotten too flagrant at this point imo. We gave Porsche a pass because it’s Porsche.

The 991 and last generation Panamera had better quality interiors than their successors.

I recently sat in a R232 and 992 in close succession. The SL felt more solid, particularly the dashboard and center console, which is shocking knowing MB is just as guilty of cost-cutting.

Yes someone else confirming the R232 interior is equal to or better than the 992.1 in many areas.

 

[Centurion]

I must say, I do love the packaging of this. Definitely my favorite photo of the bunch.

Otherwise, though, getting more power through more weight is getting quite tiresome. They say "only" 50kg more, but they are now also offering no back seat option as standard - so that probably means it's more than 50kg spec-to-spec. In any case the 992.1 GTS with a lightweight pack and a manual was 1485kg (at least Porsche claimed) - so that's 110kg more for the lightest GTS of this gen compared to the last.

I mean, I get it. Porsche sells 50k 911s a year, so it's not some low volume supercar, and they need deliver what the casual Porsche buyers wants AND conform to the standard emission and fleet emission rules. So this makes perfect sense. Still, though, the GTS, the Turbo and Turbo S and even the GT2RS being hybrid with more power at the expense of more weight? Can't say that the thought of that excites me very much.

The underlying story of this hybrid, the V8 for the Hurecan successor and the uneven manifolds of the 296 is that the ICE is not dead. There's clearly room for innovation in packing and hybrid implementation versus: Let's just aggressively downsize, add 150kg of weight in batteries and motors. No names need mentioning.

50kg could be considered a big penalty but some but the power gains are meaningful and the nm or kw per kilo will only increase with the next generation 911 hybrids.

 

[leylandi]

Nobody needs a hybrid 911. The interior updates are very bad. Who thought of putting a start-stop button? It looks like A class.

 

[klier]

Nobody needs a hybrid 911.

Nobody needs a 911 in general if you can get a Skoda Fabia for 1/35 the price.

 

[leylandi]

I don't think you understand what you read.

 

[mihc]

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[Bridster]

Cool article from Car and Driver on the power unit

Yeah, quite interesting. From the way it was presented, it seemed as though running the engine at Lambda 1 even at full throttle was voluntary - or perhaps a subject to fines that Porsche wouldn't want to pay on their most common models. So this should leave the engine uncorked for the Turbo S and other more powerful versions. It's all a bit strange, though, since the most common base Carrera is using the old engine with no Lambda 1 map. Maybe they are just being really German and future-proofing? Either way, I am sure that the 485PS GTS version isn't the most we'll see out of the engine.

I wonder if the rumors stating that the GT3's 4.0L will be downsized to 3.6L while still NA will come true....

Possibly, but probably only for the next gen. For the 992.2 I don't think there will be any hybrid for the GT3/RS. Probably only mild power bump (+5-10hp) and aero and suspension refinements. For the 994 we might see NA 3.6L with 9500RPM+ mated to a hybrid system - that would make sense. Where does that leave the manual for the GT3 is a question, though!

 

[Bridster]

It's all a bit strange, though, since the most common base Carrera is using the old engine with no Lambda 1 map.

Actually, the engine is now apparently using the bigger GTS turbo and the Turbo intercooler and is also running the Lambda 1 map. Which makes a lot more sense. Still, we should see more from the 3.6L... I can't imagine Porsche would be making 3 separate turbo flat sixes, on top of the NA F6 for the GT cars.

 

[empower77]

I actually like the visual changes on the base Carrera. The bumper without the trick fins/gills looks better visually at least to me in pictures.

Played around with the configurator last night. My spec with a few accoutrements came to $150K. When did a base Carrera get so expensive? A lightly specced GTS would surely cross $200K.

How are cars so expensive now?

 

[Centurion]

Nobody needs a hybrid 911. The interior updates are very bad. Who thought of putting a start-stop button? It looks like A class.

Think of it this way. The hybrid upgrade might be a better solution to more power gains without increasing the dimensions of the car to accommodate a larger engine or turbos that would be detrimental to responsiveness.

 

[Jonathan19]

992.2 Manual RWD Turbo?

Official Thread - Porsche 911 Turbo and Turbo S (992 Series)

Masterpiece. God, it looks good. On the bright side, they don't get worse

www.germancarforum.com

 

[Jonathan19]

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[klier]

I don't think you understand what you read.

Right.

The underlying story of this hybrid, the V8 for the Hurecan successor and the uneven manifolds of the 296 is that the ICE is not dead. There's clearly room for innovation in packing and hybrid implementation versus: Let's just aggressively downsize, add 150kg of weight in batteries and motors. No names need mentioning.

This is a "hybrid". Not a hybrid.

Nobody is saying there's no room for innovation. It's just that ICE is made unreachable because of legislation and thus there's little incentive left to innovate.

 

[Laurent T]

I actually like the visual changes on the base Carrera. The bumper without the trick fins/gills looks better visually at least to me in pictures.

I feel the same except for the 2 black plastic parts in the middle of the air intakes. I don't understand exactly what purpose they have... and they look cheap to me :

 

[klier]

I feel the same except for the 2 black plastic parts in the middle of the air intakes. I don't understand exactly what purpose they have... and they look cheap to me :

Clearly done to prevent sucking up crossing toddlers

 

[Laurent T]

Think of it this way. The hybrid upgrade might be a better solution to more power gains without increasing the dimensions of the car to accommodate a larger engine or turbos that would be detrimental to responsiveness.

I'm not an engine specialist, but given what power some can extract from a 4 cyl. 2L, I believe 540hp would be accessible w/o the hybrid feature from the previous 3.0L engine. Let's wait for the tests, but currently I am not convinced of the benefits from the hybridisation (except if it also improves the chassis as some comments say).

 

[klier]

Think of it this way. The hybrid upgrade might be a better solution to more power gains without increasing the dimensions of the car to accommodate a larger engine or turbos that would be detrimental to responsiveness.

There is absolutely no way they hybridized the car for power gains. There would have been 10 easier ways. Clearly the reason was emissions.

Edit; beaten

 

[Centurion]

There is absolutely no way they hybridized the car for power gains. Clearly the reason was emissions.

 

[klier]

Sure the one automatically comes with the other.