The Great Design Discussion and debate

[K-A]

Saw a CLS parked next to my car the other night. Once again, not impressed. The lines of the CLS when next to the E actually make the CLS look less long and more stubby. Also, the lines don't flow as strongly and elegantly as the E's appropriate-to-architecture downward strakes. The E IMO just has stronger lines that aren't so fussy.

 

[martinbo]

Hmmm... from that shot the E Class looks like a sedan and the CLS looks like a coupé with 4 doors.

 

[K-A]

They both look like Sedans to me.

 

[Gianclaudio]

I too, want to join the lines-made-in-paint club

GTA, you post a 540K to use as an argument in favour of the CLS, I think it is the contrary, it plays against the CLS.

Just see how everything in the K flows in the same direction, with similar angles and radius. See how the main chrome strip "conects" to the small chrome strip in the rear wheel ponton. It just flows.

Then compare to the CLS, where every line has a different radius and lean angles. And the main dropping line goes to...? I had to put a forever alone meme to it.....

 

[K-A]

I too, want to join the lines-made-in-paint club

GTA, you post a 540K to use as an argument in favour of the CLS, I think it is the contrary, it plays against the CLS.

Just see how everything in the K flows in the same direction, with similar angles and radius. See how the main chrome strip "conects" to the small chrome strip in the rear wheel ponton. It just flows.

Then compare to the CLS, where every line has a different radius and lean angles. And the main dropping line goes to...? I had to put a forever alone meme to it.....

Exactly. I was actually shocked to see someone compare the design harmony of the 540K to try and "pass" the CLS. The 540K shows just how wrongly M-B designed this purported "anti-wedge" CLS. Maybe in the spirit of Halloween M-B's design team should take a field trip to the graves of those who designed the 540K.

BTW, people like to say that old M-B's aren't "dashing"? Look at the 540K! That thing is far more charismatic and complex, full of beautiful lines and flashiness.... but it's done RIGHT! It makes all the new complex and confused stuff they put out now look actually drab in comparison.

 

[GTA45E]

Mm hmm, I would continue to expect responses like these because you guys simply do not know whats going on here. You are continuing to try to analyze and critisize an aspect of art you are not familiar with. I`m going to spill the beans on the CLS design. Its called biomorphic geometry (the gray language of the abstract as I call it). Until you familiarize yourself with a study course of this design language to get some in site,( to learn something new and get out of your comfort-zones for a little bit,) your negative comments are baseless and hold little to no value imo.

 

[K-A]

So you need to take a class to train you to obliviously look past all the obvious inherent flaws scribbled all over the CLS? You know what they say: "A good design needs classes to understand". LOL.

Maybe M-B designers need to skip more classes then!

 

[Wolfgang]

Biomorphic is cool. Recently checked this one out.

 

[Gianclaudio]

Mm hmm, I would continue to expect responses like these because you guys simply do not know whats going on here. You are continuing to try to analyze and critisize an aspect of art you are not familiar with. I`m going to spill the beans on the CLS design. Its called biomorphic geometry (the gray language of the abstract as I call it). Until you familiarize yourself with a study course of this design language to get some in site,( to learn something new and get out of your comfort-zones for a little bit,) your negative comments are baseless and hold little to no value imo.

LOL, you're not the only one who has taken design lessons

Can you post some work of you?

 

[Sunny]

Mm hmm, I would continue to expect responses like these because you guys simply do not know whats going on here. You are continuing to try to analyze and critisize an aspect of art you are not familiar with. I`m going to spill the beans on the CLS design. Its called biomorphic geometry (the gray language of the abstract as I call it). Until you familiarize yourself with a study course of this design language to get some in site,( to learn something new and get out of your comfort-zones for a little bit,) your negative comments are baseless and hold little to no value imo.

I don't know jack about design, but I know my English and I know my ad-hominem attacks and above is one for anyone looking for one. You claimed CLS was inspired by 540k, Gianclaudio points out the fallacy in that - he even used your favorite "design" tool - paint brush to do illustrate it. You ignore all that and instead attack him for his lack of knowledge in design. Like he said, care to post some of your original work? And no paintbrush doesn't count.

 

[GTA45E]

I too, want to join the lines-made-in-paint club

GTA, you post a 540K to use as an argument in favour of the CLS, I think it is the contrary, it plays against the CLS.

I was actually shocked to see someone compare the design harmony of the 540K to try and "pass" the CLS. The 540K shows just how wrongly M-B designed this purported "anti-wedge" CLS.

Actually the reverse is true, for both statements. The Mercedes 540K is what inspired the anti-wedge design theme. Once again, I ask you guys, please don`t try to analyze the biomorphic abstract language of the CLS with conventional design language concepts and thinking. It doesn`t work that way, at all! (the abstract mind-set must be developed. Advanced thinkers know this.) In the automotive design world, there are a number of design concepts that don`t “cross-paths”so to speak. Part of the training is to develop these concepts with your own signature but holding them equally in place. You see from a designers pov, when you make statements, comparisons and criticisms like all the ones above, the biomorphic is a mathematical problem you have yet to salve. The themes are taken from nature in abstract form and language. You cannot compare them with conventional design language concepts. I`m giving you a heads-up on this subject, something the ordinary Joe can`t quit grasp.

(I somehow blame Mercedes for this… If I were in charge at the company, I would have offered a primer design package opon the introduction of the CLS so the ordinary Joe can get a grasp of whats going on here.)

In addition to the next-generation CLS, Mercedes-Benz’s design sculpture at the Detroit auto show also previews the company’s new design language. Inspired by the art-deco style of the 1930s, the new language moves away from the forward-leaning wedge shape that currently defines many cars. “It gives you an abstract idea of how we at Mercedes-Benz perceive distinctive styling,” said Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche.Mercedes design chief Gorden Wagener recalled the 1937 Mercedes-Benz 540K Autobahnkurier while describing the look his studio was after. The falling cut line of the sculpture is reminiscent of the wide rolling fenders of the 1930s.
The silver sculpture shown in Detroit is made of resin, although early work was done in clay. Asked why the studio decided to represent their future look with a sculpture rather than a concept car, Wagener explained, “We wanted to reduce it to a sheer visual statement. This was the purest way to visualize our new design language.”
The next-generation CLS will arrive as a 2012 model, but the car should make its debut at an autoshow later this year.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/201...ulpture-carries-new-design-language-2813.html

Can you post some work of you?

I would rather you see my work rolling off a production line.
There is a good chance it will happen… It might be as soon as next year![/quote]

 

[GTA45E]

^
java script problem. Mods, please edit

 

[Wolfgang]

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/mercedes-benz-sculpture-for-naias-2010.31963/

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/la-auto-show-design-challenge-2011.38965/

 

[Gianclaudio]

Actually the reverse is true, for both statements. The Mercedes 540K is what inspired the anti-wedge design theme. Once again, I ask you guys, please don`t try to analyze the biomorphic abstract language of the CLS with conventional design language concepts and thinking. It doesn`t work that way, at all! (the abstract mind-set must be developed. Advanced thinkers know this.) In the automotive design world, there are a number of design concepts that don`t “cross-paths”so to speak. Part of the training is to develop these concepts with your own signature but holding them equally in place. You see from a designers pov, when you make statements, comparisons and criticisms like all the ones above, the biomorphic is a mathematical problem you have yet to salve. The themes are taken from nature in abstract form and language. You cannot compare them with conventional design language concepts. I`m giving you a heads-up on this subject, something the ordinary Joe can`t quit grasp.

(I somehow blame Mercedes for this… If I were in charge at the company, I would have offered a primer design package opon the introduction of the CLS so the ordinary Joe can get a grasp of whats going on here.)

Please tell me you're trolling us. Please!

 

[K-A]

Please tell me you're trolling us. Please!

Utterly insane. Seems like someone's been looking at the CLS too long, therefore minds been completely crazied by all those nonsensical lines and crashing angles!

Kids, that is your mind on "bad design drugs"!

 

[GTA45E]

Please tell me you're trolling us. Please!

No, just giving a heads up on what happens behinds the scenes to widen your perspective.
That is a very low quality remark.

Utterly insane. Seems like someone's been looking at the CLS too long, therefore minds been completely crazied by all those nonsensical lines and crashing angles!

Kids, that is your mind on "bad design drugs"!

Trolling at it best... your focus is only on the CLS. What I have dicussed here is a formula (for all biomorphic designs) which is something totally alien to you and this is the only quality you have offered throughout this, (and most other) threads. It`s really pathetic man.

 

[martinbo]

I'm sorry Admin for not performing my moderation obligations - I swear that I felt compelled initially to do so.

I just couldn't stop laughing.

 

[Sunny]

I would rather you see my work rolling off a production line.
There is a good chance it will happen… It might be as soon as next year!

So your claim is someone is putting millions to roll your design off a production line, but you don't even have a design portfolio to post?

 

[Monster]

We used to have one or two professional car designers in this forum, I wish they are still here.

 

[Sunny]

^Yes, Hussein. And his very real portfolio - http://husseinalattar.tumblr.com/, not "oh my shit comes straight out of a production line" bs.