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The Alfa Romeo Giulia is a compact executive car produced by Alfa Romeo. Known internally as the Type 952, it was unveiled in June 2015, with market launch scheduled for February 2016, and it is the first saloon offered by Alfa Romeo after the production of the 159 ended in 2011.
martinbo
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As any person who takes their driving very seriously, this is straightforward in explanation for me. They mean:
- The M3 Competition Pack, with its tauter body control over the standard M3, is less susceptible to load-transfer related yaw than the standard car was.
- The Guilia Q - in not reacting to load changes - is implied to have less (or no) throttle position related adjustability, so mid-corner throttle lift has the Guilia not reacting to the load transfer to the front axle thereby not mitigating the understeer.
fuhro
Premium
let me understand, is this the "circuit"?
if yes now I understand why they have chosen it for this first official comparison.....
It is this one
Some other laptimes for comparison:
0:44,1 min - Honda NSX 2016 (semi-slicks)
0:45,0 min - BMW M4 GT-S (semi-slicks)
0:45,5 min - BMW M3 DKG Competition (F80)
0:46,1 min - Mercedes-AMG C 63 S
0:46,1 min - Nissan GT-R Black Edition 2016
0:46,5 min - Ford Focus RS ’16
0:46,6 min - Alfa Romeo Giulia QV
0:46,7 min - BMW M2 DKG
0:46,8 min - Lotus Elise Cup
0:46,8 min - Aston Martin DB11
0:46,8 min - Porsche 718 Boxster PDK
0:47,1 min - Aston Martin Vantage V12 S
0:47,3 min - Audi TTS Roadster S-tronic
0:48,3 min - Audi TT Roadster 2.0 TFSI S-tronic
0:48,4 min - BMW Z4 sDrive35i
0:48,4 min - Mercedes-AMG A45
0:49,3 min - Mercedes-Benz SLC300
Thank you for the clarification. I've just stopped trusting other person's translations without knowing the original text... you know how it goes: "Tell a lie once and all your truths become questionable."
Obviously, I don't believe in that bullshit (if that's what they are attempting to convey)!
savage-It
Meister Mechaniker
porca troia che due coglioni.....You see Martinbo, the rear end of the Giulia Q is as playful as the best, which means there's plenty of throttle adjustability. One can clearly see it on the following vids. They were all carried out in handling circuits (relatively low attainable max. speed).
In order to avoid translations "misconceptions" two of them have english subtitles which you have to activate (although in one the tarmac is wet) while the third one does not. But I think they give a fairly idea of how the Giulia Q can be pointed into a corner:
In order to avoid translations "misconceptions" two of them have english subtitles which you have to activate (although in one the tarmac is wet) while the third one does not. But I think they give a fairly idea of how the Giulia Q can be pointed into a corner:
Martinbo, for as much as I like the Nurburgring lap records the AMuS/Sportauto is no Bible!
I for one try to stick to the evidences and the engineering behind them... on the other hand, it was unreasonable to think that BMW would sit quietly and do nothing about all the bad press.
Eventhough, let's wait for the Giulia Quadrifoglio Supertest with Christian Gebhardt at the wheel!
I for one try to stick to the evidences and the engineering behind them... on the other hand, it was unreasonable to think that BMW would sit quietly and do nothing about all the bad press.
Eventhough, let's wait for the Giulia Quadrifoglio Supertest with Christian Gebhardt at the wheel!
manuelf
Kraftkurve King
Yeah - let's wait 
My prediction: Giulia will never better M4 Comp. laptimes. True - we will not get Nürburgring times from Gebhardt for the M4 Comp (so we only have HHR), since they did the normal F82 two and half year ago ... if sport auto takes on the F82 again, then next year in the club sport LCI variant, which is probably good for a low 7:40 in Gebhardts hands.
So yes - the more fierce competition forces ///M to continously work on their products - and this is good for us customers!
The Giulia? Not bad! For a first try after long abstinence, it is really remarkable. Of course - the hype was a bit too much. 50 Kilos heavier than the M4? What was all heared and said how light it will be ...
So even 50hp more power does not help. An ZF auto is not bad, but not for that type of car... and the manual is just mediocre.
At the end I trust in Chris Harris comments most ... it clearly tells you where the Giulia is not on par with the F8x. Mostly the too elastic connection to the chassis would not be for my taste anyway.
The engine seems to be remarkeable! What better advertizing as a chopped 488 engine could there be? Cool!
My prediction: Giulia will never better M4 Comp. laptimes. True - we will not get Nürburgring times from Gebhardt for the M4 Comp (so we only have HHR), since they did the normal F82 two and half year ago ... if sport auto takes on the F82 again, then next year in the club sport LCI variant, which is probably good for a low 7:40 in Gebhardts hands.
So yes - the more fierce competition forces ///M to continously work on their products - and this is good for us customers!
The Giulia? Not bad! For a first try after long abstinence, it is really remarkable. Of course - the hype was a bit too much. 50 Kilos heavier than the M4? What was all heared and said how light it will be ...
So even 50hp more power does not help. An ZF auto is not bad, but not for that type of car... and the manual is just mediocre.
At the end I trust in Chris Harris comments most ... it clearly tells you where the Giulia is not on par with the F8x. Mostly the too elastic connection to the chassis would not be for my taste anyway.
The engine seems to be remarkeable! What better advertizing as a chopped 488 engine could there be? Cool!
Boxberg Handling Course
"Some other laptimes for comparison:
0:44,1 min - Honda NSX 2016 (semi-slicks)
0:45,0 min - BMW M4 GT-S (semi-slicks)
0:45,5 min - BMW M3 DKG Competition (F80)
0:46,1 min - Mercedes-AMG C 63 S
0:46,1 min - Nissan GT-R Black Edition 2016
0:46,5 min - Ford Focus RS ’16
0:46,6 min - Alfa Romeo Giulia QV
0:46,7 min - BMW M2 DKG
0:46,8 min - Lotus Elise Cup
0:46,8 min - Aston Martin DB11
0:46,8 min - Porsche 718 Boxster PDK
0:47,1 min - Aston Martin Vantage V12 S
0:47,3 min - Audi TTS Roadster S-tronic
0:48,3 min - Audi TT Roadster 2.0 TFSI S-tronic
0:48,4 min - BMW Z4 sDrive35i
0:48,4 min - Mercedes-AMG A45
0:49,3 min - Mercedes-Benz SLC300"
Only now (after seeing the scans) I've realized AMuS is comparing the 6-speed manual Giulia Q against the 7-speed automatic M3 Comp Pack and AMG C 63 S, that alone explains the lap time difference!
It should have been the Giulia Q automatic !!!
You see Martinbo, how one can be easily deceived... there's no hype, the Giulia Quadrifoglio is real!
"Some other laptimes for comparison:
0:44,1 min - Honda NSX 2016 (semi-slicks)
0:45,0 min - BMW M4 GT-S (semi-slicks)
0:45,5 min - BMW M3 DKG Competition (F80)
0:46,1 min - Mercedes-AMG C 63 S
0:46,1 min - Nissan GT-R Black Edition 2016
0:46,5 min - Ford Focus RS ’16
0:46,6 min - Alfa Romeo Giulia QV
0:46,7 min - BMW M2 DKG
0:46,8 min - Lotus Elise Cup
0:46,8 min - Aston Martin DB11
0:46,8 min - Porsche 718 Boxster PDK
0:47,1 min - Aston Martin Vantage V12 S
0:47,3 min - Audi TTS Roadster S-tronic
0:48,3 min - Audi TT Roadster 2.0 TFSI S-tronic
0:48,4 min - BMW Z4 sDrive35i
0:48,4 min - Mercedes-AMG A45
0:49,3 min - Mercedes-Benz SLC300"
Only now (after seeing the scans) I've realized AMuS is comparing the 6-speed manual Giulia Q against the 7-speed automatic M3 Comp Pack and AMG C 63 S, that alone explains the lap time difference!
It should have been the Giulia Q automatic !!!
You see Martinbo, how one can be easily deceived... there's no hype, the Giulia Quadrifoglio is real!
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
So wait even with a 6 speed manual the Quadrifoglio is 48kg heavier the the M3 DCT how much more when it has the 8 speed automatic. Still fancy the M3 being quicker.Boxberg Handling Course
"Some other laptimes for comparison:
0:44,1 min - Honda NSX 2016 (semi-slicks)
0:45,0 min - BMW M4 GT-S (semi-slicks)
0:45,5 min - BMW M3 DKG Competition (F80)
0:46,1 min - Mercedes-AMG C 63 S
0:46,1 min - Nissan GT-R Black Edition 2016
0:46,5 min - Ford Focus RS ’16
0:46,6 min - Alfa Romeo Giulia QV
0:46,7 min - BMW M2 DKG
0:46,8 min - Lotus Elise Cup
0:46,8 min - Aston Martin DB11
0:46,8 min - Porsche 718 Boxster PDK
0:47,1 min - Aston Martin Vantage V12 S
0:47,3 min - Audi TTS Roadster S-tronic
0:48,3 min - Audi TT Roadster 2.0 TFSI S-tronic
0:48,4 min - BMW Z4 sDrive35i
0:48,4 min - Mercedes-AMG A45
0:49,3 min - Mercedes-Benz SLC300"
Only now (after seeing the scans) I've realized AMuS is comparing the 6-speed manual Giulia Q against the 7-speed automatic M3 Comp Pack and AMG C 63 S, that alone explains the lap time difference!
It should have been the Giulia Q automatic !!!
You see Martinbo, how one can be easily deceived... there's no hype, the Giulia Quadrifoglio is real!
Macca
Autobahn Newbie
Thank god Z4ever for your above post!
I have been watching/reading this thread for months. The posts in the last 12 hours had me finally signing up an account to post...Ive very much enjoyed reading this board. Hell from New Zealand....
Gentlemen, we are discussing here a comparison between a MANUAL 6 speed sedan against two cars equipped with DCT and 7spd auto gear boxes.
This is not a like comparison.
All motor journalists have confirmed that the zF8 in the Giulia is very well suited, ensuring the engine remains in the appropriate rev range on downshifts to maximize torque, its smooth and of course as always is quicker than shifting manually. Additionally the 6MT box has come in for criticism for being far from perfect.
For a demonstration of how well the box keeps the engine in its peak torque zone, please refer to the 7.32 lap by Fabio Francia. If you monitor the downshifts you will see each downshift at 7000 brings the needle to 5000 (around peak torque). The shifting seems quick and precise (150ms claimed) for a non DCT box. Afterall he shaved 7s off a previous 6MT lap with the same car?
The QV 0-100 time of 4.2s in the article, whilst pessimistic in my view (there is no launch control and it very much will depend on technique), would indicate with the Z8F box a potential for 3.9s. Typically if you review the Porsche published performance times for same model 7MT 991 vs PDK991 you will see a 0.2-0.3s difference.
Without doubt the 0-100, 0-200, 400m times will be significantly improved if an Alfa QV ZF8 equipped car had have been used to compare against these two automated transmission vehicles.
The comparison is simply FLAWED. The same can be said for the CH review and most of the UK comparison reviews to date.
I personally dont believe we can have meaningful discussion based on these results. I do hope SportAuto are allowed to use aZF8 equipped car for their Ring and track tests.
Whilst healthy debate is good, I would suggest that although not the best set of figures we have seen for the QV to date, that from a comparative point of view the comparison is of little value. Acceleration, in gear acceleration, lap times and even handling will all be improved with a paddle shifty automated transmission. The sooner Alfa can present these to the worlds automotive journalists in both LHD & RHD form the better IMO.
I have been watching/reading this thread for months. The posts in the last 12 hours had me finally signing up an account to post...Ive very much enjoyed reading this board. Hell from New Zealand....
Gentlemen, we are discussing here a comparison between a MANUAL 6 speed sedan against two cars equipped with DCT and 7spd auto gear boxes.
This is not a like comparison.
All motor journalists have confirmed that the zF8 in the Giulia is very well suited, ensuring the engine remains in the appropriate rev range on downshifts to maximize torque, its smooth and of course as always is quicker than shifting manually. Additionally the 6MT box has come in for criticism for being far from perfect.
For a demonstration of how well the box keeps the engine in its peak torque zone, please refer to the 7.32 lap by Fabio Francia. If you monitor the downshifts you will see each downshift at 7000 brings the needle to 5000 (around peak torque). The shifting seems quick and precise (150ms claimed) for a non DCT box. Afterall he shaved 7s off a previous 6MT lap with the same car?
The QV 0-100 time of 4.2s in the article, whilst pessimistic in my view (there is no launch control and it very much will depend on technique), would indicate with the Z8F box a potential for 3.9s. Typically if you review the Porsche published performance times for same model 7MT 991 vs PDK991 you will see a 0.2-0.3s difference.
Without doubt the 0-100, 0-200, 400m times will be significantly improved if an Alfa QV ZF8 equipped car had have been used to compare against these two automated transmission vehicles.
The comparison is simply FLAWED. The same can be said for the CH review and most of the UK comparison reviews to date.
I personally dont believe we can have meaningful discussion based on these results. I do hope SportAuto are allowed to use aZF8 equipped car for their Ring and track tests.
Whilst healthy debate is good, I would suggest that although not the best set of figures we have seen for the QV to date, that from a comparative point of view the comparison is of little value. Acceleration, in gear acceleration, lap times and even handling will all be improved with a paddle shifty automated transmission. The sooner Alfa can present these to the worlds automotive journalists in both LHD & RHD form the better IMO.
Macca
Autobahn Newbie
Hi Savage. Great to be on the board. Thanks for directing me here. Ive been hooked since first read. Much informative information here (and debate) especially from yourself an z4ever as well as others. Please dont ask me to translate anything because Im mono-lingual and still struggle with my mother tongue (English) ha ha.
Im working hard towards our Giulia Reunion. Still a few more details before the planets align but hoping to come down via Innsbruck to Verona - hopefully this will bring me somewhere close to you (PM me if I have my locations mixed up). At that time it would be fun to swap rides, Id love to try the MT Qiulia QV, if we had have been given the choice in RHD land I probably would have gone this way, even if its not the perfect box it still likely a bit more challenging and involving than the 8ZF I will get. On the bright side I have my name down for a 991.2 GT3 in MT so maybe that would balance the equation...
Looking forward to learning much more from everyone on this board. By way of background I am a huge car enthusiast with plenty of track and tarmac rally seat time in 911s (993, GT3) but I also love "super saloons". My most enjoyable saloon yet was the E39 M5 (I owned the same car twice as I missed it so much once sold!). My biggest disappointment was Audi/Porsche RS2 (Avant, not saloon, but the same).
When the F8X M3 was released I took a test drive and was dissapointed. The chassis could not manage the power properly, the sound was blah and it "felt" heavy. Maybe i was spoiled by the E39 M5. I understand the newer cars with "competition pack" are better, but now the M3/4 is everywhere and it doesnt seem special.
For me the Mercedes is a great package on paper but I still think of Mercedes as "old mans car". Problem is Im no longer a young man, but I dont feel like an old man either! Also the interior is full of "tinsel" (like on christmas tree) and the styling doesn't do much for me...
Savage will tell you I have been a follower of the Giulia since if first was talked about 18 months ago and I have followed every release, video and thread in almost every language since its inception. I have folders full or pictures and have read every review.
The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde (yes I can even pronounce this now with an Italian accent) is not a perfect car. But this is part of the appeal to me. The 911 is not a perfect car either, but I have owned many and all of them have been unforgettable. Cars only achieve "character" IMO by not being perfect, but the QV has all the ingredients for me of being an absolutely wonderful sports sedan. The optic is very striking, something different from all the rest, we will not see so many on the road which is great, the chassis by all accounts appears to be well resolved with excellent turn in but also some ability for the rear to be "playful" which I find exciting as I do like to drive my cars hard. The engine makes excellent power and has been tuned to enjoy higher RPM, which is great in this day of turbo cars with flat torque from 2000 rpm upwards. The sound of the car is very acceptable and the interior to me is an absolute "work of art", minimalistic (I hate lots of buttons, I dont listen to radio much and no one calls me on my Bluetooth phone anyway!). This is where the "Italian" really shines through along with the exterior sheet metal sculpturing, wheels and distinctive front grill. Again it is not a perfect car, but it has muscle and elegance in equal measure, its a car that stirs the soul before I have even driven it, and it inspires me just by looking at the video and images.
For me one of the greatest moments in following this car was watching the lap at the Nordshleife by Fabio Francia. Im familiar with "The Ring" (but have only driven it a few times) and have watched many many video of friends and others driving sub 8.00 laps in GT3 and BMW. For me this was the quintessential "Eurkea" moment, a lap of such intensity of man and machine that my heart raced just watching it - even after watching may 100s of laps of that place. Yes the car wasnt perfectly composed, the driving style was a bit aggressive and the car would not behave always due to lack of rear aero and non R comp road tyres but the shear excitement of that laps, the impressive skill of the driver, the sound of the car and the immediacy of the steering all mad this one of the most exciting in car footage moments of the Ring in a stock saloon I have witnessed to date. It made me want that car, no matter I cant replicate that lap, or that the car understeers a bit when pushing 10/10 or is light at the rear when going 250kmph.
Gentlemen, this is a car for the heart not the head. This is a 100 years of historical emotion sculptured with Italian flair, wrapped up in the latest production techniques, systems and exotic materials with an interior architecture superior to anything else in its segment on the market. The engine, chassis, name and styling all have roots deep in automotive folklore. Its not a perfect car, but it is a car I believe will evoke emotions, give you a pleasant feeling just looking at it standing still, it will out run most other cars of similar stature and it will break you free of the "average" , of driving something the same as 100,000s of others.
To me the Giulia QV is a wonderful gift from the automotive gods. It may not be the fastest car from 0-100 or the quickest in a tight handling circuit, but I bet after driving this car really hard up an alpine pass then stopping for a coffee of tobacco at the top, and just looking at it ticking away with the heat from its brakes you will feel every Euro you spent has been well spent...
Im working hard towards our Giulia Reunion. Still a few more details before the planets align but hoping to come down via Innsbruck to Verona - hopefully this will bring me somewhere close to you (PM me if I have my locations mixed up). At that time it would be fun to swap rides, Id love to try the MT Qiulia QV, if we had have been given the choice in RHD land I probably would have gone this way, even if its not the perfect box it still likely a bit more challenging and involving than the 8ZF I will get. On the bright side I have my name down for a 991.2 GT3 in MT so maybe that would balance the equation...
Looking forward to learning much more from everyone on this board. By way of background I am a huge car enthusiast with plenty of track and tarmac rally seat time in 911s (993, GT3) but I also love "super saloons". My most enjoyable saloon yet was the E39 M5 (I owned the same car twice as I missed it so much once sold!). My biggest disappointment was Audi/Porsche RS2 (Avant, not saloon, but the same).
When the F8X M3 was released I took a test drive and was dissapointed. The chassis could not manage the power properly, the sound was blah and it "felt" heavy. Maybe i was spoiled by the E39 M5. I understand the newer cars with "competition pack" are better, but now the M3/4 is everywhere and it doesnt seem special.
For me the Mercedes is a great package on paper but I still think of Mercedes as "old mans car". Problem is Im no longer a young man, but I dont feel like an old man either! Also the interior is full of "tinsel" (like on christmas tree) and the styling doesn't do much for me...
Savage will tell you I have been a follower of the Giulia since if first was talked about 18 months ago and I have followed every release, video and thread in almost every language since its inception. I have folders full or pictures and have read every review.
The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde (yes I can even pronounce this now with an Italian accent) is not a perfect car. But this is part of the appeal to me. The 911 is not a perfect car either, but I have owned many and all of them have been unforgettable. Cars only achieve "character" IMO by not being perfect, but the QV has all the ingredients for me of being an absolutely wonderful sports sedan. The optic is very striking, something different from all the rest, we will not see so many on the road which is great, the chassis by all accounts appears to be well resolved with excellent turn in but also some ability for the rear to be "playful" which I find exciting as I do like to drive my cars hard. The engine makes excellent power and has been tuned to enjoy higher RPM, which is great in this day of turbo cars with flat torque from 2000 rpm upwards. The sound of the car is very acceptable and the interior to me is an absolute "work of art", minimalistic (I hate lots of buttons, I dont listen to radio much and no one calls me on my Bluetooth phone anyway!). This is where the "Italian" really shines through along with the exterior sheet metal sculpturing, wheels and distinctive front grill. Again it is not a perfect car, but it has muscle and elegance in equal measure, its a car that stirs the soul before I have even driven it, and it inspires me just by looking at the video and images.
For me one of the greatest moments in following this car was watching the lap at the Nordshleife by Fabio Francia. Im familiar with "The Ring" (but have only driven it a few times) and have watched many many video of friends and others driving sub 8.00 laps in GT3 and BMW. For me this was the quintessential "Eurkea" moment, a lap of such intensity of man and machine that my heart raced just watching it - even after watching may 100s of laps of that place. Yes the car wasnt perfectly composed, the driving style was a bit aggressive and the car would not behave always due to lack of rear aero and non R comp road tyres but the shear excitement of that laps, the impressive skill of the driver, the sound of the car and the immediacy of the steering all mad this one of the most exciting in car footage moments of the Ring in a stock saloon I have witnessed to date. It made me want that car, no matter I cant replicate that lap, or that the car understeers a bit when pushing 10/10 or is light at the rear when going 250kmph.
Gentlemen, this is a car for the heart not the head. This is a 100 years of historical emotion sculptured with Italian flair, wrapped up in the latest production techniques, systems and exotic materials with an interior architecture superior to anything else in its segment on the market. The engine, chassis, name and styling all have roots deep in automotive folklore. Its not a perfect car, but it is a car I believe will evoke emotions, give you a pleasant feeling just looking at it standing still, it will out run most other cars of similar stature and it will break you free of the "average" , of driving something the same as 100,000s of others.
To me the Giulia QV is a wonderful gift from the automotive gods. It may not be the fastest car from 0-100 or the quickest in a tight handling circuit, but I bet after driving this car really hard up an alpine pass then stopping for a coffee of tobacco at the top, and just looking at it ticking away with the heat from its brakes you will feel every Euro you spent has been well spent...
martinbo
Staff member
I don't know what you're talking about? You seem to be imagining something about me?
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