Macan [Spy Shots] Porsche Macan: Spyshots & Info

[tristatez28lt1]

 

[ateekt]

No please, not that back-end. Hell no. Panamera's ass is ugly enough. Can't afford to see another Porsche with a ridiculously weird rear.

 

[K-A]

Actually, that's kind of a flattering picture of the Panny's butt.

 

[Milanno]

I am not sure about that render. Official skecth shows totally different angle of rear part!

 

[Deckhook]

Actually on this occasion based on this sketch and from that angle I think the sloping butt suits the car. Though I doubt officially it will look anything like this sporty.

 

[Levi68]

What I see here is ugly Panamera profile + Cayenne hight + Boxter details = ugly as hell Macan. I am glad this is a very bad photoshop and the Macan won't look anything like it.

 

[Deckhook]

2014 Porsche Macan Details

The 2014 Porsche Macan will share its basic design and powertrains with the Audi Q5, shown here.
As for powertrains, the 2014 Porsche Macan is tipped to reach North America with a choice of three V6 engines. AutoWeek points to a 3.0-liter gasoline unit with direct fuel injection (DFI) and a same-size common-rail turbodiesel, both supplied by Audi and presumably Porsche-tuned for extra power and torque. Motor Trend agrees, but adds that a new Porsche-developed 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6 with something like 350 horsepower will be reserved for a top-line Macan Turbo. All this certainly fits Porsche’s high-performance tradition, but the brand is also working these days to improve the efficiency of its entire lineup in light of tough new global standards for fuel economy and CO2 emissions. (It’s the big reason why you can now buy a Cayenne Hybrid.) Because of that, we think Porsche may surprise “buff magazine” editors and offer the base Macan with VW Group’s exemplary 2.0-liter DFI turbo 4-cylinder, which punches well above its weight in the Q5. For the same reason, Porsche is likely to piggyback on the “mild hybrid” option just announced for the European-market Q5 and which will likely come to America in due course. More on that in the “Notable Feature” section.

But wait a minute: That’s five engines for a vehicle that at best would draw only some 8,000 yearly sales in North America. So with all due respect to AW and MT, we think the turbodiesel will be left in Europe, though it’s in our specifications chart FYI. Porsche lately withdrew an “oil burner” Cayenne from U.S. sale due to a minuscule take rate, making a policy reversal for the compact SUV seem unlikely.

Completing the powertrain picture, the 2014 Porsche Macan will come only with all-wheel drive, doubtless the Q5’s quattro system with new software intended to deliver Porsche-worthy roadability. We see the Q5’s new 8-speed automatic as standard across the Macan board and maybe the only transmission available in North America for reasons of cost, buyer preference, and upcoming environmental standards. However, there’s talk of Porsche’s 7-speed PDK transmission being offered, perhaps restricted to the more-performance-focused V6s. PDK is German-language shorthand for Porsche’s dual-clutch automated-manual gearbox that is designed to behave much like a conventional torque-converter automatic. Either way, look for standard steering-wheel shift paddles as another enthusiast-oriented feature expected of this brand.

The 2014 Porsche Macan will probably inherit the Q5’s basic 4-wheel independent steel-spring suspension with five-link front geometry and a “trapezoidal-link” rear setup. Again, though, Porsche is sure to make modifications and/or upgrades to extract the best handling possible from this chassis--reduced ride height, in particular, looks very likely--and we don’t rule out an air-ride option. Unlike Cayenne, however, the Macan will not be engineered for any off-roading more strenuous than tracking a gravel path. The apparent aim is to offer a 911-like on-road experience in a larger, more practical package. Similarly, the Macan is expected to boast larger 4-wheel ABS disc brakes than Q5, and Motor Trend says Porsche’s exotic carbon-ceramic rotors will be available. We’d guess standard wheels will be 18- and/or 19-inch alloys, with 20s and perhaps 21s optional. Other performance-oriented extras are said to include a sport exhaust system and a version of Porsche’s Sport Chrono Pack with a “launch control” function tailored to the SUV’s dimensions and powertrains.

The most interesting part of these details is Porsche developed 3.0L 90degree V6 Twin-turbo. Here the power is 350hp but Autocar is claiming as high as 370hp which would place it very close to the Cayenne GTS and bare in mind this is without mentioning the words 'Turbo' or 'GTS' which could well push the output even higher again. The funny thing is that rumors have linked Audi switching their V6 from supercharged to twin-turbo so maybe this is a co-development between the two brands.

 

[Levi68]

The most interesting part of these details is Porsche developed 3.0L 90degree V6 Twin-turbo. Here the power is 350hp but Autocar is claiming as high as 370hp which would place it very close to the Cayenne GTS and bare in mind this is without mentioning the words 'Turbo' or 'GTS' which could well push the output even higher again. The funny thing is that rumors have linked Audi switching their V6 from supercharged to twin-turbo so maybe this is a co-development between the two brands.

The most funny thing is that Mercedes having switched from 90° V6 to 60°, as almost all V6 engines are at 60°, and BMW having first implanted the turbochargers inside the V engine, on the V8 90°, and doing the same tech for the V6 engines, by keeping a 90° angle from the choped V8 engine, it looks like all other follow the idea of basing the V6 engines on V8 engine the get a 90° V6, on one side for reducing costs and on the other side to use the new tech of inside mounted turbochargers. If this is true, then it is even more evident the new M3 will get a 90° V6, as BMW "always leads and never follows".

 

[Deckhook]

The most funny thing is that Mercedes having switched from 90° V6 to 60°, as almost all V6 engines are at 60°, and BMW having first implanted the turbochargers inside the V engine, on the V8 90°, and doing the same tech for the V6 engines, by keeping a 90° angle from the choped V8 engine, it looks like all other follow the idea of basing the V6 engines on V8 engine the get a 90° V6, on one side for reducing costs and on the other side to use the new tech of inside mounted turbochargers. If this is true, then it is even more evident the new M3 will get a 90° V6, as BMW "always leads and never follows".

I think 90degree V6 turbo engines have been used for quite some time, the original RS4 as one example so if BMW start using it I don't see how anyone is following them if they also go that route.

 

[Levi68]

I think 90degree V6 turbo engines have been used for quite some time, the original RS4 as one example so if BMW start using it I don't see how anyone is following them if they also go that route.

I did not know the RS4 B5 had a 90° V6 with two turbos mounted inside. But know yu said it I checked it up and it is true. That car was a very fast car with just some mods.

 

[Deckhook]

No they weren't inside but I didn't realise that was what you meant because its not clearly if either Audi or Porsche are going that route.

 

[SCOTT27]

What I see here is ugly Panamera profile + Cayenne hight + Boxter details = ugly as hell Macan. I am glad this is a very bad photoshop and the Macan won't look anything like it.

I previously heard that Porsche were in the process of developing an SAC Which for Porsche makes perfect sense.
Along with Elite SUV's , the Sport Activity Coupe segment will also grow and this time in all sizes.

 

[Levi68]

No they weren't inside but I didn't realise that was what you meant because its not clearly if either Audi or Porsche are going that route.

Ok, we missunderstood. Concerning V6 angles, the only point of using a 90° angle is reducing cost, by basing it on a 90° V8 and putting the turbochargers inside. I think it could be the case with Audi/Porsche, I also heard, not sure if it is true, that the F-Type is getting a new V6, 90° based on the V8, naturally aspirated and supercharged, with the SC between the vee. Also, do you know whether the 4.8l DFI engine is going to be replaced by the 4.0 TFSI engine?

I previously heard that Porsche were in the process of developing an SAC Which for Porsche makes perfect sense.
Along with Elite SUV's , the Sport Activity Coupe segment will also grow and this time in all sizes.

I don't know what Porsche thinks, but me liking both the X5 and X6, I like even more the Cayenne (958), because it has in it both the design/shape qualities of the X5 and the X6. I don't think anything more would be needed. What makes a SUV coupéish, is not so much the roof line or better to say the rear trunk/door, but rather the low profile of the side windows. This design sketch is the perfect "SAC", as they are so called.

 

[KiwiRob]

If it looks like this my wife will be driving one sometime in 2014/15, with the 190hp 2.0 TDi.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Autocar article:

Porsche is set to crown its upcoming Macan line-up with a fiery 370bhp-plus Turbo-badged range-topper that will establish a new performance 4x4 niche when it hits UK showrooms in October next year.
In the absence of dedicated performance variants of rivals such as the BMW X3 and Range Rover Evoque, Porsche expects the Macan Turbo to carve out a niche as the fastest and most dynamic model in the class — something that it achieved with the bigger Cayenne.
The top-of-the-line Macan will be the first car powered by Porsche’s still-secret new twin-turbocharged V6 petrol engine, details of which are revealed here for the first time.
Developed in-house at Porsche’s R&D centre in Weissach, Germany, the twin-turbo V6 is understood to have a 90deg vee and a capacity of 3.0 litres. It is believed to be a variant of the 3.6-litre V6 that powers entry-level Cayenne and Panamera models.
Peak power and torque are said to be in the region of 370bhp and 400lb ft thanks to twin sequential Borg Warner turbochargers, an air-to-air intercooler system and other internal modifications, including a lower compression ratio than that of the normally aspirated 3.6-litre engine. That’s an increase of about 80bhp and 105lb ft over the non-turbo 3.6.
The Macan is based on the Volkswagen Group’s next-generation large front-wheel drive and four-wheel drive platform, known as MLB. As a result, the new V6 is mounted longitudinally and drives all four wheels through an Audi-engineered, Porsche-tweaked Torsen torque-sensing differential. The rear axle features electronically controlled torque vectoring for the rear wheels to improve turn-in and cornering grip.
The choice of transmissions will be a standard seven-speed manual (a development of the latest unit in the 911) or an optional seven-speed, dual-clutch PDK automatic (also
911 derived).
The powertrain has already been undergoing intensive testing under the bonnet of inconspicuous-looking Audi Q5 and Cayenne prototypes.
Porsche’s engineers have also been working hard to provide the Macan with a more sporting character than its Q5 twin by comprehensively retuning the underpinnings.
So although the mechanical componentry — including strut front and multi-link rear suspension — is shared, the Macan gets unique elasto-kinematics thanks to specific bushes, springs and damping rates.
The same goes for its electro-mechanical steering system, which has benefited from Porsche’s experience in tuning similar hardware now used across its line-up.
“We’ve surprised even ourselves,” said Porsche development boss Wolfgang Hatz. “It drives incredibly well and, from what we’ve seen from the competition, will be the most sporting car in its class.”
Among the developments that Porsche is working on is a unique, wide-track front axle and rear-drive torque bias from the Torsen centre differential.
At the same time, Porsche insiders suggest that their new junior SUV will boast sufficient ground clearance to ensure that it delivers what they describe as “confident off-road ability”. This is despite the lack of low-range gearing and locking differentials.
As confirmed in an official sketch of the new model made public in February, the Macan will feature a five-door layout similar to that of the Cayenne. It will be the fifth main model line for Porsche, joining the existing Boxster/Cayman, 911, Cayenne and Panamera lines.
Considered a crucial component in chairman Mathias Muller’s plans to lift Porsche’s annual sales above 200,000, it will be assembled at the German car maker’s Leipzig factory alongside the Cayenne and Panamera.
The Macan is somewhat smaller than the Cayenne, with an overall length of about 4.6m, width of 1.89m and height of 1.65m. That’s about 210mm shorter, 50mm narrower and 40mm lower than its bigger brother.
It will have a modern-looking cabin closely related to the Cayenne’s, complete with trademark features such as the dashboard-mounted starter, sited to the right of the steering wheel on UK models.
With seating for up to five, the Macan is tipped to offer 520 litres of luggage volume, slightly less than an X3 or Q5.
As well as launching the new twin-turbo 3.0-litre V6 petrol engine, the Macan will be distinguished for another reason. It will be the first Porsche since the 968 ceased production in 1995 to be sold with a four-cylinder engine.
Nothing is official yet, but Porsche sources acknowledge that their new model will follow the Q5 in offering a base 2.0-litre turbo petrol motor.
Set to become the volume seller of the line-up, the four-cylinder petrol unit is likely to deliver about 220bhp in the base Macan — sufficient for projected 0-62mph acceleration of 7.5sec and a 143mph top speed.
It won’t be the only four-cylinder engine for the Macan, though. Also planned is a 190bhp 2.0-litre turbodiesel that’s said to have recorded 45mpg in testing — a figure that promises to make it the most economical Porsche model yet to make series production.
In line with other Porsche models, the Macan will come as standard with a range of fuel-saving features, including automatic stop-start, brake energy recuperation, on-demand operation of engine ancilliaries and, in higher-end models, a ‘sailing’ function that uses a clutch to disengage the engine on a trailing throttle and during descents.
Sitting just below the Macan Turbo will be an S model powered by the same 295bhp normally aspirated 3.6-litre V6 used in the Cayenne.
It will be joined by a Macan Diesel S using the 250bhp 3.0-litre V6 turbodiesel found in the Panamera.
Also planned, primarily to boost North American sales, is a Macan Hybrid running the same parallel petrol-electric drivetrain used in the Q5 Hybrid. It mates a 208bhp turbocharged 2.0-litre,
four-cylinder petrol engine with a 54bhp electric motor.
Porsche is also in negotiation with Audi to secure the latter’s new 309bhp twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 diesel, recently launched in the A6, for a possible seventh model: the Macan Diesel Turbo. This engine is due to power a hot SQ5 model from September.
However, Audi officials, already smarting from having to share the Q5 underpinnings with Porsche, are said to be resisting pressure to share this diesel with the Macan. Contracts have already been signed for it to go into the Panamera and Cayenne.

 

[speed_kills]

"However, Audi officials, already smarting from having to share the Q5 underpinnings with Porsche, are said to be resisting pressure to share this diesel with the Macan"
Like Audi has a saying...if Porsche wants, Porsche gets it.

 

[Centurion]

^^
That's what I mentioned in another thread. Inter family-relations within VAG will get more complicated with time and the Macan will be Dennis the Menace causing a lot of friction.

 

[speed_kills]

It will not get more complicated. Porsche will always be first.

 

[Centurion]

It will not get more complicated. Porsche will always be first.

For now yes. Especially because of their substantial ~50% of the VW Group. In the long run Porsche will likely need to develop customize Audi and VW engines for their own use to maintain a distinct advantage over Audi cars. The last thing one would want is the Macan not being any different from a Audi Q5-S. However VAG is currently managed by the smartest men in the automotive industry and their product planning is second to none. So I doubt they'll fumble over their own egos like GM and produce line-up of cars that make no sense what so ever.

 

[Deckhook]

The reason Porsche will get what Porsche wants within VAG is the component/platform sharing, it's the brand which return the most profit per development.