X5 [Spy Shots] Next Gen BMW X5 (G65) and iX5 - coming in 2027?

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Hmm, constant discussion around what car makers are removing, mostly unaccompanied by what car markers have been adding, year-on-year.

Please explain what improvements, quality increases, or other innovations BMW has introduced that are better than its predecessors.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Hmm, constant discussion around what car makers are removing, mostly unaccompanied by what car markers have been adding, year-on-year.

I guess because the decontenting is more evident and palpable, compared to the massive costs that now have to go into the electrical components etc. The parts that we dont see or experience but take for granted are there. The costs of implementing all of these driver safety and autonomous systems would be considerable.

I also do feel for the European manufacturers who were screwed by their own governments. The ones that are supposed to provide the framework for sustainable growth, but also be mindful of what their constituents want . They screwed their manufacturers as well as their markets.

Still BMW has resisted the cost cutting longer than most and I suspect their turnaround will be swift given the iX3 already seems to be a notable improvement over other recent launches.

 

[empower77]

It's just cost cutting. The prototypes of the Touring still had the split window part if I recall the spy shots. It was a last minute ditch to cut costs.

The X5 will look cleaner without another additional shut-line in the rear of the X5, but it's a feature I hate seeing go..

Not sure what I make of the New Class designs. I’ll have to see them in person before making judgement. That said I like this gen of X5… hope it remains handsome. Most of the X5s were good looking (except the F15)

 

[martinbo]

Please explain what improvements, quality increases, or other innovations BMW has introduced that are better than its predecessors.

You’re surely not asking me to write a dissertation on the model-on-model progress of BMWs over the years. You can research this yourself.

 

[klier]

I guess because the decontenting is more evident and palpable, compared to the massive costs that now have to go into the electrical components etc. The parts that we dont see or experience but take for granted are there. The costs of implementing all of these driver safety and autonomous systems would be considerable.

It's much more than that even. The Neue Klasse is an entirely new way of making cars. Literally everything's different.

I do agree on your assessment but I however put more weight into incompetent CEOs rather than government mandates.

 

[Design FIRST]

I also do feel for the European manufacturers who were screwed by their own governments. The ones that are supposed to provide the framework for sustainable growth, but also be mindful of what their constituents want . They screwed their manufacturers as well as their markets.

Dilettantism is a major issue regarding rational, constructive alignments of politics with technologies, logistics and the economics involved. Here in the EU, the vast majority of parliamentarians feature "qualifications" anchored in social/political sciences, law , humanistic sciences and the controlling sectors of economics. Technology, engineering and logistical sciences as very seldom their forte. This creates dissonance that can lead to thoughtless, reckless legislation when it comes to highly complex technological issues. Decisions made in a political process are often whimsical and shortsighted.

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

You’re surely not asking me to write a dissertation on the model-on-model progress of BMWs over the years. You can research this yourself.

I can do it easy for you - show us what BMW have improved and/or added for the G60 versus the G30 5-series. I have a good grasp of what BMW has done over the years, but since you think there is a lot of "new" and improved stuff, it would be nice if you listed it.

The fact is that the 5 Series doesn't bring any news or improvements to the table. They've downgraded existing features, added cheaper and inferior materials, and removed features they previously presented as big news on previous 5-series. All E34, E39, E60, F10, G30 brought something new to the table and something was outstanding to the rest of their competitors. E60 was probably one of the most outstanding and innovative 5-series introduced ever.

 

[Big Sam]

You’re surely not asking me to write a dissertation on the model-on-model progress of BMWs over the years. You can research this yourself.

To be fair, Martin, this sounds like the sort of thing you excel at. Presumably you have some time off over Christmas? Have it in my inbox by the 24th December, and I'll even proofread it for you.

 

[martinbo]

To be fair, Martin, this sounds like the sort of thing you excel at. Presumably you have some time off over Christmas? Have it in my inbox by the 24th December, and I'll even proofread it for you.

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Yeah - Iove working for free!

 

[klier]

It’s not work if you love it

No AI though please

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I do agree on your assessment but I however put more weight into incompetent CEOs rather than government mandates.

BMW's corporate governance has been far more stable and competent than Mercedes since at least the mid 90's. This has been reflected in strategic direction, design, engineering decisions etc.

 

[Merc1]

And despite some questionable designs, they’re still executing far better than Mercedes. They handled the chip crisis better and didn’t go ga ga over EVs and make silly declarations about going all EV by XXXX.

M

 

[Swiss_ZH]

Right now, the only way I can explain the rather noticeable interior cost-cutting on some BMW models is that, with BMW OS X, they’re planning to introduce a significant change already for the LCI models — and that creates extremely high costs that would otherwise only come with a full model change. However, the amount of hard plastic is really pushing the limits of what’s acceptable.

 

[martinbo]

I can do it easy for you - show us what BMW have improved and/or added for the G60 versus the G30 5-series.

Well if you can do it so easily, why are you giving me an instruction? Do I work for you?

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

You have the right attitude when you are a "staff member" and need an order confirmation or an employment relationship with the person or people you are discussing with. Congratulations!

 

[martinbo]

You have the right attitude when you are a "staff member" and need an order confirmation or an employment relationship with the person or people you are discussing with. Congratulations!

So, not only are you a pushy know-it-all but you’re also judgemental too.

Fine… you asked me what does G60 bring over G30 in terms of innovation. Does the fact that it’s the first fully BEV 5 Series not mean anything to you?

 

[SaltkjelenBMW]

Ok, so bringing an fourth drivetrain to the 5-series with the same batteries and motors they have been used since 2020 is huge innovation. We got it.

 

[Matski]

huge innovation.

You've been complaining about some things which we once had, no longer being present... Innovation is almost literally not doing what you did before - so including soft close doors and cheek-clapping seats is also not innovative (or hugely innovative if your preferred blend is sarcasm).

Are you complaining because this is bad for your business, or because it's not innovative?

 

[martinbo]

Ok, so bringing a fourth drivetrain to the 5-series with the same batteries and motors they have been used since 2020 is huge innovation. We got it.

Ah, it’s clear now. Now you resort to semantics: your own subjective interpretation of what innovation means to you.

 

[Gor134]

To be fair to @SaltkjelenBMW he gave a list of reasons why the new 5-series is worse compared to the previous gen.

If you're counter-arguing that there is a bunch of improvements or new technology that make up for the cost-cutting in the new model, you should be able to back that up as well with your own research.. not ask the guy who disagrees with your point.. to produce evidence to support your point? I mean isn't that how simple debating works lol...

And either way, yeah sure they did make a bunch of EV models but in this day and age of modular platforms lots of these drivetrain components are likely shared with all over EV models in the lineup too.