GT [Spy Shots] Mercedes-AMG Four Door Coupe

[HUTSUTAo]

@Wolfgang; I noticed the scoop you posted, then deleted . I added the engine output figures.

AMG GT Panamerica - I6
AMG GT Panamerica S - 4.0L V8 (570bhp)
AMG GT Panamerica R - 4.0L V8 (603bhp?)

AMG GT Panamerica - I6
AMG GT Panamerica S - 4.0L V8 (603bhp)
AMG GT Panamerica R - 4.0L V8 (bhp?)

 

[sako97]

AMG GT Panamerica - I6
AMG GT Panamerica S - 4.0L V8 (603bhp)
AMG GT Panamerica R - 4.0L V8 (bhp?)

I doubt it, as the model above 603bhp will the anticipated 700bhp+ hybrid version due a year from now.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

Although the finer details are still under wraps, Autocar has been told that the range-topping hybrid model is set to produce the same 805bhp and offer a similar 31-mile electric range as the GT Concept (pictured above and below).

The other versions under development are said to include a base hybrid driveline with 671bhp and a 19-mile range and a mid-range variant with 738bhp and a 25-mile range.

 

[Merc1]

This is so unfortunate. I would have been happier if they had just lifted the interior from the GT coupe as is, but they aren't even going to do that. Can we at least get some new seats to go along with that center console?

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[sako97]

Although the finer details are still under wraps, Autocar has been told that the range-topping hybrid model is set to produce the same 805bhp and offer a similar 31-mile electric range as the GT Concept (pictured above and below).

The other versions under development are said to include a base hybrid driveline with 671bhp and a 19-mile range and a mid-range variant with 738bhp and a 25-mile range.

Doesn't exactly confirm anything about the non-hybrid R's output.

 

[Wolfgang]

@Wolfgang; I noticed the scoop you posted, then deleted . I added the engine output figures.

AMG GT Panamerica - I6
AMG GT Panamerica S - 4.0L V8 (570bhp)
AMG GT Panamerica R - 4.0L V8 (603bhp?)

Thank you, sako97. The Panamerica naming is only an unconfirmed rumor, though. MB is expected to reveal its name in Geneva.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

So three cars on the same platform - E class, CLS and AMG GT 4 door. All three cars will have an AMG "light" version with inline 6 cylinder. E class and GT will have the "full flavor" AMG 63 V8 version, while the CLS will skip it. For me is a little hard to comprehend the co-existence of the CSL and the AMG GT 4 door. Aren't they too similar? Why just not make a CLS AMG V8 and save the GT nomenclature for a stand alone platform? For me, it looks like they want to milk the popularity of the AMG GT coupe.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

So three cars on the same platform - E class, CLS and AMG GT 4 door. All three cars will have an AMG "light" version with inline 6 cylinder. E class and GT will have the "full flavor" AMG 63 V8 version, while the CLS will skip it. For me is a little hard to comprehend the co-existence of the CSL and the AMG GT 4 door. Aren't they too similar? Why just not make a CLS AMG V8 and save the GT nomenclature for a stand alone platform? For me, it looks like they want to milk the popularity of the AMG GT coupe.

I don’t get it either. The big mistake they’re making is the same as Porsche made: take a 911/AMG GT and make 4-door 911=Panamera/AMG GT=AMG GT 4 out of it. Result: two imo ugly cars. I bet that a full-fledged AMG CLS 63s would look much better than the yet to come AMG GT 4 liftback.

 

[BMW3GT]

So three cars on the same platform - E class, CLS and AMG GT 4 door. All three cars will have an AMG "light" version with inline 6 cylinder. E class and GT will have the "full flavor" AMG 63 V8 version, while the CLS will skip it. For me is a little hard to comprehend the co-existence of the CSL and the AMG GT 4 door. Aren't they too similar? Why just not make a CLS AMG V8 and save the GT nomenclature for a stand alone platform? For me, it looks like they want to milk the popularity of the AMG GT coupe.

Sorry, but I can't agree with the statement and especially with that last sentences. A transaxle-platform, such as the one of the AMG GT, doesn't work if you want to have "genuine four seater". The transmission at the read end just eliminates the leg-room in the second row. Porsche tried that with the 924, 948 and 944 while the 928 was advertised as the "big 911" in the late 70s as far as i remember. All of them were two seater, though Porsche's intention was a more practical 911.
Moers already highlited that the GT-platform didn't work for the GT4, so they sticked to the MRA. The CLS was developed by the same people that made the W213, while the AMG GT4 is AMG made. It will be far more dynamic than the CLS could ever be and will probably look a million times better.
It think the GT4 will be called "GT53", "GT63", "GT63S" and "GT73".

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Sorry, but I can't agree with the statement and especially with that last sentences. A transaxle-platform, such as the one of the AMG GT, doesn't work if you want to have "genuine four seater". The transmission at the read end just eliminates the leg-room in the second row. Porsche tried that with the 924, 948 and 944 while the 928 was advertised as the "big 911" in the late 70s as far as i remember. All of them were two seater, though Porsche's intention was a more practical 911.
Moers already highlited that the GT-platform didn't work for the GT4, so they sticked to the MRA. The CLS was developed by the same people that made the W213, while the AMG GT4 is AMG made. It will be far more dynamic than the CLS could ever be and will probably look a million times better.
It think the GT4 will be called "GT53", "GT63", "GT63S" and "GT73".

Then why wasn't the CLS made by the people at AMG and save the GT for something more different. And AMG GT4 is not completely AMG made since it is based on the E class platform

 

[Matski]

The trans-axle in the AMG GT doesn't look like it would eat that much rear space..

In a shorter wheelbase car like a 944, I'm sure it would be more problematic as the rear seats are pushed right back in the car body, but in a longer wheelbase car I'm not so sure it would be as big of a problem.

Not saying this will have a transaxle, just an observation.

It's also a significantly better looking car than the CLS, IMHO, so I hope it recieves the best of everything.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

I don’t get it either. The big mistake they’re making is the same as Porsche made: take a 911/AMG GT and make 4-door 911=Panamera/AMG GT=AMG GT 4 out of it. Result: two imo ugly cars. I bet that a full-fledged AMG CLS 63s would look much better than the yet to come AMG GT 4 liftback.

A C257 CLS 63 AMG with the steroid-infused flank sculpturing of the X290 would be a very interesting proposition.

 

[SCOTT27]

Thank you, sako97. The Panamerica naming is only an unconfirmed rumor, though. MB is expected to reveal its name in Geneva.

Lol! Shots Fired!!

 

[Serpens]

The trans-axle in the AMG GT doesn't look like it would eat that much rear space..

In a shorter wheelbase car like a 944, I'm sure it would be more problematic as the rear seats are pushed right back in the car body, but in a longer wheelbase car I'm not so sure it would be as big of a problem.

Not saying this will have a transaxle, just an observation.

It would end up like the Aston Martin Rapide with seriously compromised rear seat room.

 

[Matski]

It would end up like the Aston Martin Rapide with seriously compromised rear seat room.

The Rapide needlessly adheres to Coupe like proportions...

This is the same car, with a transaxle, but engineered to be a 4 door (rather than a longer coupe), the Lagonda Taraf..

And, bare in mind that the GT 4 door is not going to be about rear seat luxury anyway.

 

[Serpens]

The Rapide needlessly adheres to Coupe like proportions...

This is the same car, with a transaxle, but engineered to be a 4 door (rather than a longer coupe), the Lagonda Taraf..

And, bare in mind that the GT 4 door is not going to be about rear seat luxury anyway.

What you don't see in that picture of the Taraf is that that the rear center console is still very wide and creates a narrow space for the occupants. Same issue as in the Rapide. The Panamera, for example, has wider seats.

 

[Centurion]

I've sat in the back of the Rapid. The narrow seats are designed for size 6 models.

 

[Joll]

Teaser:

 

[hovabongZA]

Teaser:

That looks promising like an actual 4 door version of the GT.

 

[Matski]

What you don't see in that picture of the Taraf is that that the rear center console is still very wide and creates a narrow space for the occupants. Same issue as in the Rapide. The Panamera, for example, has wider seats.

To keep the discussion in context, the rear seats of something like the Taraf are not as cramped as the examples of transaxle 2-door coupes given earlier - it's an apples to oranges comparison. I think it's also fair to say, that they are not actually that cramped in the Taraf - I doubt the effective ass or elbow room is much narrower than the front seat for example. They may be more cramped than the (wider and taller) Panamera, granted.

... Not that I think it matters hugely for the 4 door versions of one of AMG's sportiest cars to date... we're not talking about an S-Class Maybach here, we're talking about something with potential 800+hp designed to be driven enthusiastically... I' suggest slightly more figure hugging seats are the order of the day anyway... so to come back to my original point, it's not that I think it will have a transaxle, I'm just not convinced that simple passenger packaging would be the reason for it not to... Hybrid drivetrain packaging might, and probably cost.