M3/M4 [Spy Shots] BMW M3 & M4 (G80/G82/G83)

[as7920]

in 2020 the M range will include a four-door M4 Gran Coupe, which easily eclipsed a proposal for an M3 Touring in an internal shootout.

Rather than discuss it internally, shouldn't they listen to their customers' requests?

If it were down to Joe Public wouldn't the touring win hands down?

 

[dalab]

I hope it is not a repost.
carmagazine com

The M5 has the beef and the M8 has the drama, but it’s the smaller BMW M3 that has always got to the heart of the M experience most strongly. For immersive handling at a relatively accessible price, Three is the magic number.

This year the M3 and its brasher two-door M4 sibling will regenerate at September’s Frankfurt motor show. They’ll both go up in price a tad, but so does power (to 474bhp) and torque (to at least 480lb ft). That’s 30bhp more than the Audi RS4/5 can muster, and eclipses the Mercedes-AMG C63 saloon (though it’s shy of the uprated 503bhp C63 S).

The picture looks even rosier when you throw in a 65kg weight loss versus its predecessor, improved aerodynamics (including more targeted distribution of downforce), stiffer bodywork and reworked suspension.

Flared fenders ?? It seems !

 

[Frankie G]

Rather than discuss it internally, shouldn't they listen to their customers' requests?

If it were down to Joe Public wouldn't the touring win hands down?

I'm sure there are plenty other factors involved but financially it has to make sense for BMW. Furthermore, Joe Public doesn't have to spend a dime on research and development

 

[bmwblog]

Mr. Kacher generally has first-hand reliable information, so it's interesting to read how M will offer two different states of tune from the outset.

If I were in the market for an M3, I wouldn't know which to go for. MxDrive has proven so adept in the F90 that it would be difficult not to tick that box but I guess it really depends on how you intend...

Interesting they came out just now, we've published these things in November But Georg has very good sources, so he's trusted and he's a great journalist.

 

[Frankie G]

Interesting they came out just now, we've published these things in November But Georg has very good sources, so he's trusted and he's a great journalist.

I think most of what I've read up until now has been suggestive regarding MxDrive and a separate stand-alone RWD model. It's all but been confirmed now..

 

[nikola1984]

 

[SCOTT27]

Reached out.
Yes there is noise for a Touring. However a Gran Coupe makes more sense internationally,especially when the Touring will not be available for some markets. And there will be an X3M which for some would make a Touring redundant but have wider appeal in the key markets.

But the outgoing M CEO did look at a Touring as he knew the market due to being with Audi who still overlook high performance sedans in favour of Avants.

 

[bmwblog]

Reached out.
Yes there is noise for a Touring. However a Gran Coupe makes more sense internationally,especially when the Touring will not be available for some markets. And there will be an X3M which for some would make a Touring redundant but have wider appeal in the key markets.

But the outgoing M CEO did look at a Touring as he knew the market due to...

Heard the opposite, there were never plans for an M3 Touring. But who knows...it's all second-hand info

 

[tristatez28lt1]

It would be a huge surprise if BMW would bring a Touring. Let Audi have that part of the segment and spend the money elsewhere. Although the last RS6 I'm sure has brought a lot of success to Audi. Marketing, profit, exposure, brand we're all positively influenced by that model.

 

[martinbo]

Let's face it - M Tourings are dead. No business case, miniscule demand.

 

[martinbo]

Right, bun-fight posts deleted. Let's stay on topic.

 

[klier]

That M3 Touring render.....

 

[Mii]

January 2019 Update:

Build details for G80 M3:

- Starts production in 2020 (more likely later in the year).
- Three performance levels: 444hp (Pure), 475hp ("base"), and 500hp (Competition).
- Some versions will have RWD, others xDrive; both manual and automatic transmissions will be available. The reports that it will be Pure+manual+RWD, base+auto+xDrive, and Competition+auto+xDrive seem plausible but I don't yet want to claim that no other combos will be available.
- Pure and base will have 18" front and 19" rear wheels; Competition will have 19"/20" as standard (optional on the other models).
- Standard equipment for all models will include M diff, adaptive suspension, M seats, Live dashboard.
- Optional equipment will be pretty much the same as the regular G20, with the notable additions of carbon ceramic brakes (possibly M3 Competition only) and of course Merino leather.

Source: provided by ynguldyn from another forum.


We may guess 510hp (CS), 555hp (GTS) based on the percentage gained from G80/G82 (Competition) over current F80/F82 models?

Would be interesting to see the torque figure for upcoming M models. We're probably not too far from seeing 0-62 in sub 2.75s.

 

[hovabongZA]

January 2019 Update:

Build details for G80 M3:

- Starts production in 2020 (more likely later in the year).
- Three performance levels: 444hp (Pure), 475hp ("base"), and 500hp (Competition).
- Some versions will have RWD, others xDrive; both manual and automatic transmissions will be available. The reports that it will be Pure+manual+RWD, base+auto...

I can already hear the excuses from the so called “ purists” who advocate for manual and RWD performance cars on forums complain about how little 444hp and hence they went to the “base” or “competition” when in reality they like most people prefer an fastest, most effective car in the line up over an occasional fun car. The numbers for the “ pure” are going to be miniscule, but glad BMW are going to offer it , these are going to win journalist hearts. Most likely the last generation of M3/4 cars that will offer manuals before electrification takes over.

Come to think of it are there any BEVs or PHEVs with manual transmissions? I’m sure I can google one or two PHEVs with manuals but from the top of my head non come to mind.

 

[klier]

BEVs don't need (manual) transmissions, but you can make one with one if you wanted. PHEV is another story; they all come with ICE engines so you need a gearbox..

 

[Zafiro]

8500 rpm redline coming back??

 

[Beemer B773ER]

8500 rpm redline coming back??

You gonna to start an online petition against the new M3/4 if it doesn't?

 

[Zafiro]

You gonna to start an online petition against the new M3/4 if it doesn't?

The site doesnt exist anymore. My old csl petition is gone.

 

[manuelf]

Interessting they are going down one inch at the front axle... last/current generation M3/M4 Comp. has 20 inch front and back ... so I expected them - like Porsche - to go for a staggered 21 inch back and 20 inch front setup.... too much stress for the chassis? Not enough damping from tires? 21 inch tire avail/costs?

 

[dalab]

Am I the only one who does not find that information accurate?
After all the mess, (comp pack, CS, GTS, BS), is the first time they become coherent and we know and we even saw a screenshot of M Cars where there is:
1- normal
2- competition
3- CS
4- CSL
Ordered and clear as it should have been always and now? .... pure? with a low power by the way, base? with more power and then "competition" with much more power and does not talk about CS or CSL but does it mention a GTS again? or in BMW like to mess up and confuse their customers or obviously that info is quite incorrect

The only coherent thing can be that they call "pure" to a manual version RWD to differentiate from the AWD automatic, the rest is a delirium.