M3/M4 [Spy Shots] BMW M3 & M4 (G80/G82/G83)

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Can you add a link to the online source?

Whatever the source, its rather uncompetent. The AWD will not make the new M3 more competitive, it would only provide for a wider choice. Maybe they should go and explain to the producers that the Performance, GT 2 RS and GT 3 RS need to have all wheel drive in order to be competitive.

 

[bmwblog]

Can you add a link to the online source?

It's us, we have more info on that soon. It's an interesting strategy with the new M3

 

[bmwblog]

Whatever the source, its rather uncompetent. The AWD will not make the new M3 more competitive, it would only provide for a wider choice. Maybe they should go and explain to the producers that the Performance, GT 2 RS and GT 3 RS need to have all wheel drive in order to be competitive.

The source is us, but don't think we mentioned anything about a Porsche performance or any times. We presented facts on what the new M3 will bring.

 

[manuelf]

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Maybe they should go and explain to the producers that the Performance, GT 2 RS and GT 3 RS need to have all wheel drive in order to be competitive.

Wow. So you are comparing daily drivers like G8x with exotic track weapons, which cost three times as much and do have infinite more traction because of different weight distribution, aggressive camber and rear axle geometry, 300mm+ tire widths, super sticky semi slicks ... and are almost never driven in the wet?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Wow. So you are comparing daily drivers like G8x with exotic track weapons, which cost three times as much and do have infinite more traction because of different weight distribution, aggressive camber and rear axle geometry, 300mm+ tire widths, super sticky semi slicks ... and are almost never driven in the wet?

Sorry, I thought that M stands for Motorsport and not for Mother-in-law carrier

 

[Centurion]

There’s been a lot of speculation surrounding the upcoming G80 BMW M3. With massive changes made to the F90 BMW M5, such as the introduction of all-wheel drive, a torque-converter automatic gearbox and the lack of a manual transmission option, fans are naturally very curious (worried) about the next-generation M3. Fortunately, we have some very ex...

Nice info. I suspect manual will be rear wheel drive while only while the slush box option will have switchable RWD/AWD.

 

[martinbo]

Folks shouldn't mistake being "more competitive" to mean better performing. In the context here the statement is to be interpreted as being "more market competitive".

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Folks shouldn't mistake being "more competitive" to mean better performing. In the context here the statement is to be interpreted as being "more market competitive".

The M3’s competition is fierce nowadays and it’s going to need all-wheel drive grip to keep up

 

[klier]

Folks shouldn't mistake being "more competitive" to mean better performing. In the context here the statement is to be interpreted as being "more market competitive".

Should be both really. And it likely will be both. More competitive performance wise is a given either way.

 

[bmwblog]

Will have more info soon that clarifies some of the sDrive vs xDrive stuff, and some unique info.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I really couldn't care less how quick the new M3 gets from 0-100km/h. The current M3/M4 is already more than quick enough for the public road. I would prefer they spend more effort getting the weight down even more.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I really couldn't care less how quick the new M3 gets from 0-100km/h. The current M3/M4 is already more than quick enough for the public road. I would prefer they spend more effort getting the weight down even more.

Why cant I give 10x agree

 

[Centurion]

Will have more info soon that clarifies some of the sDrive vs xDrive stuff, and some unique info.

I've watched a few videos of G30 M5 owners who previously owned an F10. One guy said that day to day the power is very similar but that the biggest difference is the ability to use the power whether it's a dry, hot or cold days.

Where as with the F10, anytime you were entering a roundabout or accelerating in a corner, you had to estimate in your head how much power you can apply without risking wheel spin. In the G30 M5 the rear biased AWD just gives you a bit extra traction and ability to access more power on cold tyres or when the road isn't bone dry.

 

[klier]

Why cant I give 10x agree

Because one is enough

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I've watched a few videos of G30 M5 owners who previously owned an F10. One guy said that day to day the power is very similar but that the biggest difference is the ability to use the power whether it's a dry, hot or cold days.

Where as with the F10, anytime you were entering a roundabout or accelerating in a corner, you had to estimate in your head...

F10 is a pork and its not true to the M virtues

 

[Centurion]

F10 is a pork and its not true to the M virtues

The M2 and M4 are the true road weapons.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

The M2 and M4 are the true road weapons.

Exactly. And they can be improved mainly by reducing the weight (especially the M2) and not by implementing an AWD

 

[Centurion]

Exactly. And they can be improved mainly by reducing the weight (especially the M2) and not by implementing an AWD

Isn’t weight reduction pie in the sky these days? Most cars that lose weight are just up to 50kg lighter than the predecessor depending on options and alloy choices.

 

[as7920]

The M2 and M4 are the true road weapons.

The freelance Pro driver that took me on the i-Pace passenger lap at Millbrook also works out of Goodwood circuit and told me his preferred car of their fleet is the M2! Made me smile.

 

[Sunny]

Exactly. And they can be improved mainly by reducing the weight (especially the M2) and not by implementing an AWD

Isn’t weight reduction pie in the sky these days? Most cars that lose weight are just up to 50kg lighter than the predecessor depending on options and alloy choices.

2 points -

1. Yes. It is not easy to reduce weight, meet modern safety and comfort requirements while keeping the cost competitive. The GT2 RS was mentioned before, it weighs 1470kg, not all that far from 1600kg for a M4. And this is 300k, 2 seater with a shit load of CF panels, ceramic brakes, and light weight no power bucket seats. The only way you will reduce weight seriously is a CF tub ala 720S or behold, the i3! Which brings me to -

2. My other big disappointment with BMW - remember all the noise around the CF factory set up near a power station so they could churn out CF like crazy? Whatever happened to that? I mean, they did the i3 and i8 and then nada except for a panel here, a shaft there. It is is almost like BMW has been sleep walking the past few years.