M3/M4 [Spy Shots] BMW M3 & M4 (G80/G82/G83)

[Betty Swollocks]

And there will be a Competition model.

There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the Amazonian rainforest who know there's going to be a Competition model.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the Amazonian rainforest who know there's going to be a Competition model.

 

[Akrapovicowns]

I know its just an early prototype, but those exhaust tips are laughable, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they don’t change much on the production car.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

I know it's just an early prototype, but that paint finish is downright laughable. All those swirls all over the place look terrible!

 

[nikola1984]

Autobild
500ps
640NM
0-100 3,7s

 

[hovabongZA]

Autobild
500ps
640NM
0-100 3,7s

The heavier M850i with 523hp and 750nm does the same 3.7s as those apparent M3 numbers. So we can assume that the new M3 will be AWD? That would be disappointing.

 

[SKY]

Laughable render.

The power figures look fantastic. At last a proper update in the M3 power after the disappointing increase from the E90 to the F30.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The heavier M850i with 523hp and 750nm does the same 3.7s as those apparent M3 numbers. So we can assume that the new M3 will be AWD? That would be disappointing.

It's just a magazine speculating.

 

[klier]

The heavier M850i with 523hp and 750nm does the same 3.7s as those apparent M3 numbers. So we can assume that the new M3 will be AWD? That would be disappointing.

I don't see the relation between M850i, AWD and 3.7 seconds.

And the M3 won't be AWD. People can buy a different car if they want AWD.

 

[hovabongZA]

I don't see the relation between M850i, AWD and 3.7 seconds.

And the M3 won't be AWD. People can buy a different car if they want AWD.

All I’m saying is that 3.7s for the M3 sounds like an AWD number.

I do hope it remains RWD.

 

[SKY]

I would not be surprissed if the same AWD tech used in the M5 translates to the smaller Ms.

 

[hovabongZA]

I would not be surprissed if the same AWD tech used in the M5 translates to the smaller Ms.

There’s a strong case for AWD Ms too, the F90 M5 is a much better car than the F10 M5 in about every objective way while being lighter.

...but with all that , I hope it stays RWD.

 

[manuelf]

All I’m saying is that 3.7s for the M3 sounds like an AWD number.

I do hope it remains RWD.

I do agree with you. 3,7s is 991.2 GTS territory! And - as anybody knows - 911 is a traction monster with about 65% weight on the rear axle. How should a G8x with less than 50% on the rear wheels come close to those numbers! So - yes: For 3,7s it needs AWD.

 

[manuelf]

There’s a strong case for AWD Ms too, the F90 M5 is a much better car than the F10 M5 in about every objective way while being lighter.

...but with all that , I hope it stays RWD.

The comparison of F10 M5 and F90 can not be mapped to F8x/G8x! The F10 platform was a fat pig! So most of the impressive outcome of a F90 AWD not being heavier than F10 M5 is just because of the bad basis the F10 M5 came off...
So: An AWD G8x would be noticeable heavier than the F8x! I don't want this...

 

[klier]

How should a G8x with less than 50% on the rear wheels come close to those numbers!

With more power and torque to start...
IF the new M3 has 500 hp, I don't think 3.7 seconds 0-100 km/h is that crazy for a 2019 rwd ///M car

 

[tomazino]

I do agree with you. 3,7s is 991.2 GTS territory! And - as anybody knows - 911 is a traction monster with about 65% weight on the rear axle. How should a G8x with less than 50% on the rear wheels come close to those numbers! So - yes: For 3,7s it needs AWD.

M4GTS with same power (500hp) and less torque (600Nm) accelerate to 100km/h on RWD for 3.7 sec. So it is not that impossible...

 

[Centurion]

I would not be surprissed if the same AWD tech used in the M5 translates to the smaller Ms.

Without switchable AWD I worry that the M4 and even the next gen C63 will become vulnerable to the premium hot hatches that are becoming more vicious by the day and will breach 400hp next year.

They will be ballistic in any weather condition compared with a 500hp rear wheel drive car that needs to be gently feathered in cold or damp conditions.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Without switchable AWD I worry that the M4 and even the next gen C63 will become vulnerable to the premium hot hatches that are becoming more vicious by the day and will breach 400hp next year.

They will be ballistic in any weather condition compared with a 500hp rear wheel drive car that needs to be gently feathered in cold or damp conditions.

...[/QUOTE]
And this is totally normal. When you look at the Rally cross and the World rally cup, all cars are compact hatches, which means that they have greater potential, because of the lighter base. The sedans are stronger at the autobahn, where the AWD doesnt matter.

 

[Centurion]

...

And this is totally normal. When you look at the Rally cross and the World rally cup, all cars are compact hatches, which means that they have greater potential, because of the lighter base. The sedans are stronger at the autobahn, where the AWD doesnt matter.[/QUOTE]
Yes hot hatches have always been agile but going forward premium hot hatches will gain insane amounts of power and have AWD. The A45 AMG has it, the RS3 and even the up coming M140i will have AWD.

The M5 will be less vulnerable from them as the AWD system gives is greater ability to get powered down. On a bone dry track with slick it doesn't matter but in less than ideal conditions it does. I have driven a M140i and 2013 E63. Use more than 15% throttle on a damp or pump B road and you're on the cusp of killing yourself.

RWD cars will remain relevant but the advent of turbo charing across the board has resulted in more sub-2,000rpm torque that who wheels can safely put down.

 

[hovabongZA]

M4GTS with same power (500hp) and less torque (600Nm) accelerate to 100km/h on RWD for 3.7 sec. So it is not that impossible...

Any source? For the M4GTS doing 3.7s