7 Series (G11/G12) [Spy shots] BMW 7er (G11) Spy Pics & Info


The G11/G12 is the sixth generation of the BMW 7 Series, produced from 2015 to 2022. Consists of the BMW G11 (short-wheelbase version) and BMW G12 (long-wheelbase version) luxury saloons, collectively referred to as the G11.
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Weight reduction, reloaded: I heard about *realistic* 17xx kg (for the 6 cylinder/gas version) today. The 'how' of it is achieved is to be even more impressive. So far, I cannot judge to what extent these 'infos' are marketing ado but it sounds good.


Currently the F01 740i - with 6-cyl petrol engine - weights exactly 1900kg (with standard equipment; by EU standards = incl. driver & some luggage). So the weight reduction is expected to be over 100kg if that 17xxkg figure is also by EU standard (if it's not the EU figure can easily go north of 1800kg).

The next question is whether that figure is "comparable to same equipped F01 model" or to current standard F01 (i.e. with less standard features compared to G11) - since I assume G11 will come with some extra features as standard (compared to F01).

Nevertheless ... more than the net wight reduction itself the weight distribution is even more important. If weight can be lowered on crucial points, then center of gravity can be much lower, 50:50 wight distribution can be easier to achieve etc. And as far rumor has it the much focus is on such "intelligent weight reduction" ... also using CFRP parts etc.
 
Weight reduction, reloaded: I heard about *realistic* 17xx kg (for the 6 cylinder/gas version) today. The 'how' of it is achieved is to be even more impressive. So far, I cannot judge to what extent these 'infos' are marketing ado but it sounds good.

Sounds good. The lightest F01 is around 1900 kg EU (740i). And I think the G11 will get the new version of the 4 cylinder with around 250-280 hp, and that would be even lighter than the I6 models.

Edit; didn't see @EnI's post. Pretty much sums it up neatly.
 
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This video shows future weight savings that will fall within other future BMW models starting with the 7er.
Its an exciting process and an ambitious but effective and intelligent way of cost-cutting but in a way that benefits rather than hinders.
Every aspect of the 7er was inspected and evaluated thoroughly so that areas of weight could be removed as well as adding lighter materials to offset traditional heavier materials.

It is going to be the most advanced car in the segment in terms of intelligent lightweight innovation.
 
This video shows future weight savings that will fall within other future BMW models starting with the 7er.
Its an exciting process and an ambitious but effective and intelligent way of cost-cutting but in a way that benefits rather than hinders.
Every aspect of the 7er was inspected and evaluated thoroughly so that areas of weight could be removed as well as adding lighter materials to offset traditional heavier materials.

It is going to be the most advanced car in the segment in terms of intelligent lightweight innovation.


Very interesting video Scott, thanks. (y)
 
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This video shows future weight savings that will fall within other future BMW models starting with the 7er.
Its an exciting process and an ambitious but effective and intelligent way of cost-cutting but in a way that benefits rather than hinders.
Every aspect of the 7er was inspected and evaluated thoroughly so that areas of weight could be removed as well as adding lighter materials to offset traditional heavier materials.

It is going to be the most advanced car in the segment in terms of intelligent lightweight innovation.

Great to see they are using materials that cannot rust... especially for the air conditioning ducts :troll:

PS: Good video, indeed! Bright future for BMW :)
 
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This video shows future weight savings that will fall within other future BMW models starting with the 7er.
Its an exciting process and an ambitious but effective and intelligent way of cost-cutting but in a way that benefits rather than hinders.
Every aspect of the 7er was inspected and evaluated thoroughly so that areas of weight could be removed as well as adding lighter materials to offset traditional heavier materials.

It is going to be the most advanced car in the segment in terms of intelligent lightweight innovation.

This video belongs in the i8 thread. Has not much to do with the 7er at all...
 
But it will not. There is no way that the 7er will be as radical as the i8.

It won't be ... Don't expect eg. full-CFRP body frame but some crucial parts will be made of CFRP & thermoplastics. Yet there will still be lots of steel & aluminum.
Regarding the magnesium dashboard frame ... That's not new. It's already been used in some Fxx generation of cars.
 
So there is absolutely no point in putting that vid here in the G11 thread......

Hype like that will result in disappointment.
 
Oh Klier and I thought we heading on the path to redemption there.

The video is relevant because although it is about the i8 there are features improvised and used on the 7er such as the air con material , magnesium frames and the removal of metal in some components. We wont get a full Carbon Frame as such that will probably be carried over to the next generation , although Rolls-Royce will pioneer it first on a four door body structure.

Depending on your definition of radical. The 7er will be radically innovative for its segment, sure it won't be on the same level of innovation as the i8 but we will see ideas filter through.
But we will get a Carbon load bearing structure and partial Carbon A structure. As well as some Carbon components offset by other forms of lighter materials as well as Carbon used on the exterior panels.

Remember in BMW terms the i8 is a relatively older car now and its genetics were what was possible then. This is now and there is a lot more to use , so yes I would say the video is relative. It is the possibility of progress for today and tomorrow and the potential of further development and application. If you look at the i8 now? How progressive would a BMW M Sports car be?

Shall we hug now?
 
I briefly want to get back to the 'quality'/'bling' discussion that we had some pages earlier mostly because I spent the day with some guys from BROSE and one AUDI guy. All of them know the numbers pretty well and the BROSE guys reported that (from a technological point of view) the G11 cockpit/dashboard is to be top-notch and way beyond the competition (also in terms of costs). However, they also claimed that in the last couple of years BMWs have always had the most sophisticated dash 'architecture', even the ones perceived as rather cheap (e.g. 1 and 3 series). The AUDI guy (who has been at BMW in the past) agreed and pointed out that the priorities are just so different between the brands. As it seems, haptics (as well as clearance, welding beads, window adjustment etc in the exterior) are the absolute foci in AUDI quality whereas in other - less visible - areas costs are reduced massively.

(Sorry moderators, off topic: I also (over)heard some other Ingolstadt gossip that might be of interest for you. i) A4 comes end next year, finally ;). ii) Q7 still unsure due to several problems: 1) Costs: The new platform needs a special front carriage to fulfill the needs of Lambo and Bentley (>420kw). 2) Complete Interior and parts of the exterior pocketed after design freeze (as it has obviously also been with the TT which I did not know at all). iii) Quarrels over the A8 because of conflicts in the newly formed design department. iv) Very cool and well-developed power unit concepts, i.e. hybrid/Wankel-hybrid, not further pursued but rather sold to Japan.)
 
That goes someway to confirm some industry rumours regarding the Q7 and its genetics. Especially that the amount of Carbon Fibre had to be cut-back because of the cost and application severely slashed the expected sale profit margin of the new Q7. In all VAGs method to catch-up is to spend more to correct shortcomings to regain the narrative of innovation.
 
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