7 Series (G11) [Spy shots] BMW 7er (G11) Spy Pics & Info


The BMW G11 is the sixth generation of the BMW 7 Series, produced from 2015 to 2022. Model codes: G11 (short-wheelbase version), and G12 (long-wheelbase version) luxury saloons, collectively referred to as the G11. Production: July 2015–2022. Model years: 2016–2022.
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Although it is an advanced production prototype if you were to go and sit in that car right now then you would have no issues with quality or fit and finish. These advanced prototypes , the first off a special production line are sent in order to brief distribution networks , Service centres etc so the car must be perfect.

No this is sort of what I meant, the car is made to show people who are going to work with it how things operate/function and stuff. It's not meant to be a visual feast for the eyes but rather a fully functional car to make people acquainted with it.

I drove a pre production E51 and E70 at some events before launch and the quality was top notch. I found it to be a shame they were going to be destroyed.
 
BMW's revamped theme for the new 7 series.

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No raise them there is far more to someone or something than just appearances.
Unfortunately some get a platform to state the opposite.

PS I love Parks and Recreation.
 
I see what you mean, but like the exterior I'd just wait until they show us something they actually want us to show. This interior is early pre production, and most likely not meant to excite our senses.

Fully agree, and I am sure there are certain things that I was negative about that I will certainly change my mind once revealed officially.

No it is not. It's very much IT.

I don't know where people see "cheap" in that pic. Sure the design is simple & well-known but the fit&finish look superb, and so are the materials. There are barely any bare plastic anywhere! It's all metal, wood, leather, acrylic glass and ceramics. Quite an upgrade compared to F01 and very much on W222 level - although the design isn't as opulent & baroque.

"Cheap door panels" are jot cheap at all ... perhaps the color combination is misleading but there is hardly any plastic part there - its all metal, wood and TONS of leather.

Milk-ish panel around the iDrive knob & shifter also isn't plastic!

Sure the design is "common" - very much an evolution of F01 with elements seen in eg. F30 3er - but the layout is still nice.

I guess most complaints here are about the commonness of design / styling. The absence of exclusivity & novelty. 7er is BMW's largest sedan ... but soon not a flagship anymore. Exclusivity will be offered in the new flagship. Some opting for "9er" over 7er? Even better since 9er will be more expensive & even more profitable (due modular architecture).

Highlights within core BMW brand will soon be redirected ... form X5 to X7. From 7er to 9er. From Z4 to Z6 etc. New flagships are coming ...

From my end, I haven't said anything was cheap. Far from it. In fact, I noted the interior materials are mostly nice except that the wood trim has an applique quality to it. The overall design of the interior, and especially the door panel, has a bland quality. Again, I don't want to scream "OMIGOD!!!!" once I step in. When I get in a Bimmer, I want that sense of "Hmmmm, interesting..." and find little details here and there that makes me want to delve deeper. Right now, from what we have seen, I just don't get that sense. But it also must be said, that this is a tiny low-res pic. Details are not well-represented or missing. As stated earlier, final judgment will be made with more official, higher-res pics, and I look forward to that. Just right now, I am not terribly impressed.



Now with regards to the "9er," has it been greenlit for approval? And why must the role of the 7er be diminished in order to prop up the "9er?" Can the "9er" present its interior trappings at the same level as Rolls where Rolls can approach it with a more traditional, British interpretation, while BMW takes on a more, progressive interpretation?
 
BMW's revamped theme for the new 7 series.

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???

The car will be technical marvel. Why lowering the expectations? Just because the design isn't Bangle-like crazy & exclusive? C'mon.

Mercedes had to completely revamp S-class design to fit it into current MB styling theme (swooshy character lines, those grille-hugging headlight clusters etc etc). W222 exterior design is hardly revolutionary & featuring significant novelty factor. Only the interior has been significantly upgraded - to look ultra-opulent. But even overall interior layout isn't that much different from W221 - it's quite evolutionary. I don't really understand the hype over S-class DESIGN. And I don't understand the expectations of 7er being as opulent as S-class. What I do understand is disappointment over 7er due to too high expectations after seeing & experiencing VFL. Especially the interior ... But every a bit more automotively educated & insightful person would tell you the VFL interior layout is NOT a layout of a luxury SEDAN but more a layout of luxury COUPE. So, wait till next gen 6er prototypes appear ... Be sure the interior there will be much more VFL-ish.

Regarding S-class ... it's an icon, an institution in this particular segment. But 7er is STILL 2nd best. And I hope it stays so although competition is tougher than ever.
 
What is the CES Concept previewing?

A different kind of Light.

BMW to introduce a new concept at CES, will have advanced lighting systems

BMW has announced plans to introduce a new concept at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.

The company declined to release pictures but said the concept will showcase the "kind of lighting innovations we can expect in the future, while at the same time reinforcing its leadership position in the field of lighting technology."

That's not much to go on but the automaker confirmed plans to introduce improved Laserlights that are connected to cameras, sensors and driver assistance systems. The company this could result in a number of new functions but declined to elaborate.

BMW also suggested the concept will have OLED (organic light-emitting diodes) taillights that use elements that are just 1.4mm thick.

The Consumer Electronics Show kicks off on January 6th, so stay tuned for full details.

Source: BMW
 
Now with regards to the "9er," has it been greenlit for approval? And why must the role of the 7er be diminished in order to prop up the "9er?" Can the "9er" present its interior trappings at the same level as Rolls where Rolls can approach it with a more traditional, British interpretation, while BMW takes on a more, progressive interpretation?

OK, we can call the styling a bit bland ... and the design details lazy. But there will be much tech packed in there ... so there will be plenty stuff to play it & to explore. ;)

9er ... As far as I know business case stands. It can only be canned if we enter another worldwide recession next year. It will be officially greenlighted just before the Geneva autoshow, I guess. Since usually most product-related decisions are made on strategic meetings ahead of Geneva and Frankfurt / Paris autoshows.

9er interior ... Individual ... We all know the Individual can deliver. And it will be a typical modern & fresh approach (colors, materials etc) - Rolls will stay typically British as today but a bit more contemporary & trendy though. No design revolution though by RR.

The 9er will deliver so called "luxury through senses". So, no much opulence but very strong & focused details.
 
BMW to introduce a new concept at CES, will have advanced lighting systems

BMW has announced plans to introduce a new concept at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.

The company declined to release pictures but said the concept will showcase the "kind of lighting innovations we can expect in the future, while at the same time reinforcing its leadership position in the field of lighting technology."

That's not much to go on but the automaker confirmed plans to introduce improved Laserlights that are connected to cameras, sensors and driver assistance systems. The company this could result in a number of new functions but declined to elaborate.

BMW also suggested the concept will have OLED (organic light-emitting diodes) taillights that use elements that are just 1.4mm thick.

The Consumer Electronics Show kicks off on January 6th, so stay tuned for full details.

Source: BMW


Here's a complete official press release:


BMW innovations at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2015.
  • 02.01.2015

Intelligent laser lighting and OLED technology point the way to the future.


Munich/Las Vegas. At the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas from 6 to 9 January 2015, BMW presents a concept vehicle that showcases the kind of lighting innovations we can expect in the future, while at the same time reinforcing its leadership position in the field of lighting technology.

BMW Laserlight becomes intelligent thanks to connectivity.
The Laserlight technology that made its production car debut in the BMW i8 sets benchmarks in terms of range and intensity. At up to 600 metres, the range of BMW laser lighting is more than twice that of conventional headlights. At the CES, BMW Laserlight now displays its credentials as an intelligent lighting system thanks to being linked up to cameras, sensors and driver assistance systems, opening up the prospect of numerous new functions in the future.

OLED technology for the rear lights opens up new possibilities.
BMW already presented tail lights featuring OLED technology with its BMW Vision Future Luxury concept unveiled in 2014. By contrast with LEDs, which are a point light source, OLEDs (organic light-emitting diodes) generate a uniform light across their entire surface. The elements are very thin at just 1.4 millimetres in thickness. This allows individual modules to be activated separately and opens up new possibilities for the design of rear lights.
In presenting its BMW Organic Light with OLED technology in Las Vegas, BMW reveals an impressive glimpse of the potential offered by this innovative technology.
 
It actually seems like things are pretty much falling into place for BMW. With the proliferation of their bottom end vehicles, expansion into various segments, and other divisions within the company growing, BMW is not the BMW of yore, but actually a pretty powerful auto conglomerate. But one mistake companies make when expanding is they begin to focus too much on the numbers. While the new bottom end vehicles should bring them the numbers, BMW needs to bring greater focus to their top end vehicles to retain that BMW allure because perception is a huge factor for a company like BMW selling a fwd mini based car.

7 series needs a family. x7 is a necessity. 9 series is necessary although it is not a replacement 8 series, because 8 series is important as well, serving as BMW's true GT, since based on the rumors and insider info, 6 series is moving into sports car territory. BMW could even make a four door 8 series fastback and call it a panamera fighter. The fact is, the argument that BMW is not moving their top end too high because of Rolls Royce is not really a strong argument because the allure of Rolls Royce is strong enough to not be impacted in any way by BMW encroaching on it's territory. So even if BMW made the 7 series as opulent as the S class, it would do nothing at all to Roll Royce because Rolls Royce is too lofty in perception to be affected by an extravagant BMW. VFL and Ghost are different enough to exist in the same market without one cancelling out the business case of the other. That is a major plus for BMW because they can take BMW way upmarket without directly competing with Rolls Royce, but instead competing with Aston Martin, Porsche and those other high end sports-car focused brands. At that end of the market, perception is more powerful than reality. That's why the S class is so beloved right now: Perceived Quality. That's basically what people are asking for with the G11.
 
The 7er is the lead car for innovation it gives the BMW customer or enthusiast the preview for what will be on their next 5er and 3er. It starts at the top and filters down the range bringing access to much used technology in a compact or even city car. The affordable luxury segment needs additional product sustainability. Its a segment that can be volatile in economic situations as people tend to downsize.
The upper segment is very much protected as customers in this market are more or less immune to such situations and would continue to purchase even in a bad economy. Additional sustainability for product will be supplied to cover all areas of the market in order to provide that particular demographic that always wants something new and far more distinctive and exclusive from current offerings. This is a segment which is growing but between 7er and the Rolls-Royce Ghost there is not a gap but a chasm.

The 9er will be our Maybach.
It will be a car that will not just offer passengers rejuvenation. It has been made clear from the VFL events across the globe since its introduction in Beijing that they want it to be a drivers car first and foremost and exclusive lounge secondary.
If we compare and contrast with the CS it was more difficult because on that concepts feedback some where unsure that such a car would be able to hold the BMW brand in such a high status. With the VFL the time passing has proved that there is a BMW customer that wants all typical BMW attributes but in a more exclusive sensual setting.
Feedback on this car has been very favourable with some wanting to leave the cheque right now.

VFL is a symbol of a changing market , sports coupes are being turned practical and SUVs are becoming more luxurious challenging the luxury sedan segment for sales. Since the introduction of the CS Concept to the Vision Future Luxury concept the 7years has been enough time to see how the market has changed and adapt accordingly.

Early sketches promise that the overall look and ambience will be retained but some of the rear details will be more conventional. The rear doors still look to be rear hinged as the CFRP fabricated module structure will be retained as it will be used for the next generation of Rolls-Royce Phantom. Sharing the structure allows for more flexibility across both BMW and Rolls-Royce and is cost effective. Although it will be a BMW , distinctive in every direction. The bridge segment to Rolls-Royce.

Vision Future Luxury is perceived as a "Vision" car which means the idea remains but progress will occur to bring it to production reality. Witness the Vision EfficientDynamics and its progress journey to the i8 or indeed the Vision ConnectedDrive which you will see later in 2015 has progressed into the upcoming jointly developed BMW-Toyota sports cars with a new philosophy to be as cutting edge , distinctive and visually appealing as the BMWi cars.

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Innovation appeals to customers today and is one rule for BMW product to be driven by innovation and progress.
You just have to look at how progress has come from any car that used to 90% mechanical to today which substitutes such engineering in favour of more electric and computer software to assist the driver.
Then you have to look at the BMWi cars in which they are interesting because they are distinctive in order to sell and promote the philosophy of electric mobility. Something our competitors failed to understand when they resorted to simple and less costly electrification.
 
BMW to introduce a new concept at CES, will have advanced lighting systems

BMW has announced plans to introduce a new concept at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.

The company declined to release pictures but said the concept will showcase the "kind of lighting innovations we can expect in the future, while at the same time reinforcing its leadership position in the field of lighting technology."

That's not much to go on but the automaker confirmed plans to introduce improved Laserlights that are connected to cameras, sensors and driver assistance systems. The company this could result in a number of new functions but declined to elaborate.

BMW also suggested the concept will have OLED (organic light-emitting diodes) taillights that use elements that are just 1.4mm thick.

The Consumer Electronics Show kicks off on January 6th, so stay tuned for full details.

Source: BMW
"leadership position ......" that's quite a bold statement. AUDI fans won't agree.

OLED should be introduced in the G11.
 
That's why the S class is so beloved right now: Perceived Quality. That's basically what people are asking for with the G11.


It will be delivered! Perceived quality is much better than on F01, or any other BMW vehicle in particular (when comparing similar levels of trims). Treatment by Individual will take the whole thing even higher - since the standard level is already high enough.

Perceived quality has nothing to do with opulence & baroque look itself per se. Modern business look or cool-techno minimalistic look can also sport high level of perceived quality.

And stop masturabting on S-class since it's not everybody's taste. Still the majority of cars sold in this segment are not S-class. :p Sure S-class is most sold car in the segment ... But in total it doesn't even represent 50% of all sales in the segment. So ... more than 50% customers in this particular segment obviously prefer something else (7er, model S, A8, LS, Xj etc etc). Tastes in this segment are much more heterogeneous than you may imagine.

I'm sick tire of constant & ever repeating drama when a new BMW models is shown / premiered / leaked ... All the doom prophecies how BMW will go down, no unit will be sold, all BMW owners will migrate to MB or Audi or Tesla etc ... C'mon.
 
I'm sick tire of constant & ever repeating drama when a new BMW models is shown / premiered / leaked ... All the doom prophecies how BMW will go down, no unit will be sold, all BMW owners will migrate to MB or Audi or Tesla etc ... C'mon.

100 % agree.
 
I'm sick tire of constant & ever repeating drama when a new BMW models is shown / premiered / leaked ... All the doom prophecies how BMW will go down, no unit will be sold, all BMW owners will migrate to MB or Audi or Tesla etc ... C'mon.

Hey, it's better than receiving a chorus of crickets chirping upon its arrival, however unceremonious it may be.

Brands should feel lucky there's a large enough of a population that gives a damn. Otherwise, it's just "stuff." Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion, otherwise what's the point of being here?
 
Here the debate is even quite within the reasonable limits ... Eg. in some communities / forums --- especially the one that can't be mentioned here by name - there are people who scream they won't buy a BMW anymore and will migrate to MB or Audi due to G11's shitty look ... all based on shitty G11 airport pics. Is this for real? Does such people really exists? Or it's all just an act for the internet spectators? It's completely surreal. Just like the expectations. Sure we're here to induce some hype for the new upcoming product (debate = publicity) ... But some people tend to build such unreal expectations - like the second coming is about to happen ... Or like the car will premier cold fusion powertrain & some alien tech never seen on Earth before. Sometimes I got a feeling some medications would be much helpful to some. ;)

Yes, we are here to discuss ... about cars. Not to save the world. Not to turn automotive industry around. Not to kill off some brand. Not to ... We are just here because we are nuts and unwilling to spend this extra time on something else. My GF can easily confirm that. :D
 
In my opinion, the German three all go their personal ebb and flow. 2011-12 was Audi's time to shine. 2013-14 MB's time. 2015-16 BMW? Just in time for their Centenary. :)
 
So if the 9-series is yet to be green lighted, when can we expect it to hit the market. Realistically. 2018 or 2019?
 
Why was the VFL even shown? For a group of 'creative' marketers, it would seem obvious that showcasing another fantastic large luxury sedan concept, and then following that up with a conservative 7er would do nothing but hurt the 7er's level of appeal. If the 8er/9er hasn't yet been green lighted, it would have made much more sense to show the VFL months after the 7er's unveiling. That would have instantly silenced any possible negative reaction that BMW had lost their way due to the 7er being conservative.

I know the VFL is supposed to be a 'Vision' that embodies a variety of new design elements that will be showcased in upcoming models (including the new 7er), but I think it's done more damage than good for the 7er.
 
I know the VFL is supposed to be a 'Vision' that embodies a variety of new design elements that will be showcased in upcoming models (including the new 7er), but I think it's done more damage than good for the 7er.

Same was said for the CS vs F01 7er. The "disappointment" in the internet community was huge after F01 turned out to be so tame compared to CS Concept. Sure F01 featured some similar design / staling elements as shown on CS ... but the end product was fairly conventional and conservative (compared to CS). So, the "outrage" was similar as the current rant by some who complain G11 looks nothing like VFL. Same old, same old ... deja vu.

But F01 survived & has been quite successful ...

We have seen similar rant in the case 6er GC vs 5er sedan .... How 5er is boring, and that 6er GC should had been there instead of the 5er Sedan in the first place.

I really don't understand how some of you have such unrealistic expectations ... That regular mass-produced executive or luxury sedans would turn out to be radical & concept-ish ... Something radical like eg. Fisker Karma. No.

Then eg. E65 7er was too radical ... F01 to tame ... G11 not special enough. An army of consonantly unsatisfied people. Let's bitch for the sake of birching. It's like a dope, isn't it? ;)

So, for your own good ... forget about the VFL ... erase it from your memory. And look on G11 completely open-minded. What do you see? What do you feel?
 
Then eg. E65 7er was too radical ... F01 to tame ... G11 not special enough. An army of consonantly unsatisfied people. Let's bitch for the sake of birching. It's like a dope, isn't it? ;)

And on that bombshell, LaArtist's reaction over at another forum, for shits and giggles:

La Artist said:
aha..what a damn joke..

Is this what they came up with after 7 damn years? it looks like a facelift.
And it looks like a 3er, which in turns look like a 5er..

And that interior is a joke, i mean subtle luxury in all honor, but that is a joke. To much like the rest of the line up, and they want people to pay 100K plus for this ?

Hell atleast the Benz is unique in its interior compared to the rest of the line up.

This car will last another 7 years thats damn near 2022..imagine that! It looks old right now, and the 7er is supposed to set the tone for the whole brand.

looks like a rough years ahead for BMW if they call this progress, and i expect major facelifts if they want to compete for sales.

Which given their track record won't happen.

So dull .. so so dull..

LOL, good times.
 
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