Sport Auto - Nordschleife laptimes

[Sunny]

Next Supertest: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series. Any guesses?

Well I read somewhere it is faster then GTS, so 7:45?

 

[DeDe]

Well I read somewhere it is faster then GTS, so 7:45?

My guess would be the 7.45 as well. On semi-slicks it's possible IMO with the Aero-package.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/imagefotoshowimage114d1.jpg/

 

[DeDe]

Sport Auto 01/2012 - AMG-Special



7.46 min - Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series (Aero Pack, Dunlop SportMaxxRace M0) - 517 hp, 1748 kg






8.01 min - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupé Performance Package - 487 hp, 1770 kg




8.03 min - Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG Performance Package - 557 hp, 1919 kg

 

[Mr Robert]

CBS 2 seconds faster than the GTS...

I wonder how long before people start declaring the demise of M?

 

[DeDe]

Sport Auto Supertest 02/2012



7.34 min - Lexus LFA Nürburgring Edition (571 hp, 1563 kg)

4 seconds quicker than the normal LFA.

 

[Tumbo]

8,01 is not that impressive for the C63 Coupe... Considering that the old RS4 had 8,09.

Any times for the RS5? Not even sure that it can outperform the magic RS4?

 

[Tumbo]

4 seconds quicker than the normal LFA.

And exactly the same time as the R8 GT

 

[DeDe]

8,01 is not that impressive for the C63 Coupe... Considering that the old RS4 had 8,09.

The old RS4 was on P Zero Corsa semi-slicks. On regular tyres it would be slower.

Any times for the RS5?

No Supertest yet.

 

[Laurent T]

7.34 min - Lexus LFA Nürburgring Edition (571 hp, 1563 kg)
4 seconds quicker than the normal LFA.

Next month ?

 

[LaArtist]

And exactly the same time as the R8 GT

Yes..very nice for a car that is called the N-ring edition..and probably costs like 3 R8´s..

 

[330CIZHP]

And exactly the same time as the R8 GT

Incomparable numbers. Different day and different test. Lexus LFA standard in a Nurburgring lap comparison with R8 GT was 2 seconds quicker than the R8 V10 GT in a direct head to head comparsion (Auto motorsport Germany). Also, in the AutoBild Germany lap times, standard Lexus LFA was 2 seconds quicker than R8 GT on the full 20.8 km track with Sascha Bert.

The Nurburgring edition is around 7 seconds faster than the standard LFA according to official specs.

While other cars typically in sportauto have lap times about 6 - 10 seconds slower than their official factory lap times, Horst Von Saurma's lap time here is a whopping 20 seconds slower than what Lexus achieved through their own factory driver Akira Iida on that same exact press car.

While people can make fun of "overpriced Lexus" all the way, it is not Lexus' fault that Saurma is not adequately familiar with the limits of the car.

 

[Mafalda]

Incomparable numbers. Different day and different test. Lexus LFA standard in a Nurburgring lap comparison with R8 GT was 2 seconds quicker than the R8 V10 GT in a direct head to head comparsion (Auto motorsport Germany). Also, in the AutoBild Germany lap times, Lexus LFA was 2 seconds quicker than R8 GT on the full 20.8 km track.

The Nurburgring edition is around 7 seconds faster than the standard LFA according to official specs.

While other cars typically in sportauto have lap times about 6 - 10 seconds slower than their official factory lap times, Horst Von Saurma's lap time here is a whopping 20 seconds slower than what Lexus achieved through their own factory driver Akira Iida on the same exact press car.

While people can make fun of "overpriced Lexus" all the way, it is not Lexus' fault that Saurma is not adequately familiar with the limits of the car.

please find the differences...
HvS with LF-A @ ring: disappointment 7.38 = HvS Fails
HvS with LF-A N.E. @ ring: disappointment 7.34 = HvS Fails
HvS with Gt-R MY09 @ ring: disappointment 7.38 = HvS Fails
HvS with Gt-R MY11 @ ring: disappointment 7.34 = HvS Fails
HvS with 458 @ Ring: disappointment 7.38 = Ferrari fails

 

[330CIZHP]

I have never placed the blame on Ferrari for the 7:38 (if you remember my arguments with MrRhee/FromageFrais).

please find the differences...
HvS with LF-A @ ring: disappointment 7.38 = HvS Fails
HvS with LF-A N.E. @ ring: disappointment 7.34 = HvS Fails
HvS with Gt-R MY09 @ ring: disappointment 7.38 = HvS Fails
HvS with Gt-R MY11 @ ring: disappointment 7.34 = HvS Fails
HvS with 458 @ Ring: disappointment 7.38 = Ferrari fails

 

[DeDe]

Incomparable numbers. Different day and different test. Also, in the AutoBild Germany lap times, standard Lexus LFA was 2 seconds quicker than R8 GT on the full 20.8 km track with Sascha Bert.

Different day (let's say different year) and different test by AutoBild Sportscars (R8 GT & LFA), so those are incomparable numbers as well.

 

[Guibo]

I have never placed the blame on Ferrari for the 7:38 (if you remember my arguments with MrRhee/FromageFrais).

Seriously. Who ever said Ferrari failed with SA's time of 7:38?

 

[Mafalda]

I remember, on SC.net, this laptime was considered no so fast as well ("just 1s better than Scuderia?") and, obviously, talking about "458'd be better" was denied
Even so, this and old story... talk about the newest

 

[Mafalda]

I have never placed the blame on Ferrari for the 7:38 (if you remember my arguments with MrRhee/FromageFrais).

I am not referring to you specifically, but I'm speaking in overall

 

[Guibo]

I remember, on SC.net, this laptime was considered no so fast as well ("just 1s better than Scuderia?") and, obviously, talking about "458'd be better" was denied
Even so, this and old story... talk about the newest

Again, I ask: Who denied it? Link??

I can also remember a certain member telling you both here and at SC.net that not even Bert's 7:32 is the best time a 458 could achieve; deducting the length of the pit straight, it would already be a ~7:26...
You are right, this is an old story. Which makes me wonder why you would even bring it up here where few members also post on SC.net. It makes no sense. You know what would make sense? This would be in line with your repeated (and now tiresome) posts that try to paint Ferrari as "poor victim."

 

[Mafalda]

Again, I ask: Who denied it? Link??

I can also remember a certain member telling you both here and at SC.net that not even Bert's 7:32 is the best time a 458 could achieve; deducting the length of the pit straight, it would already be a ~7:26...
You are right, this is an old story. Which makes me wonder why you would even bring it up here where few members also post on SC.net. It makes no sense. You know what would make sense? This would be in line with your repeated (and now tiresome) posts that try to paint Ferrari as "poor victim."

Who? you, for ex.
Link? no problem.... (Post #2032)
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I cannot find any mentions about the abilty di HvS: you accepted the laptime with no objections

to be a victim, you need a butcher.
Ferrari sells lots of cars, makes a lot of money, continues winning the most part of comparos and "SCOTY" awards
the crusades of some ferrari-hater are just folklore ...

330CIZHP made a comment, I made mine. Curious that you have felt called upon, however it is a problem of yours, not mine.
"Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta"

that's all, now talking about the LF-A N.E.

 

[Levi68]

please find the differences...
HvS with LF-A @ ring: disappointment 7.38 = HvS Fails
HvS with LF-A N.E. @ ring: disappointment 7.34 = HvS Fails
HvS with Gt-R MY09 @ ring: disappointment 7.38 = HvS Fails
HvS with Gt-R MY11 @ ring: disappointment 7.34 = HvS Fails
HvS with 458 @ Ring: disappointment 7.38 = Ferrari fails

HvS is a very good driver, but he is more familiar to Porsches. He is not used to other cars, because he has very little time at the wheel to study the car.