GT-R Sport Auto - New Nissan GT-R lap on the Nordschleife

[Monster]

When it comes to lap times, the GTR has beaten the 911 Turbo on a majority of tracks, so even if journalist can't match the claimed Ring lap time, it doesn't mean the GTR is slower than the competition.

 

[martinbo]

Oh come on people - stop splitting hairs. 7:34! With a journo - albeit a highly accomplished one - behind the wheel! And 4 seconds faster than the 458 Italia. In a big, heavy brute. Hate it or love it, the underdog's on top...

Credit where it's due. Even off the factory claims - the GT-R acquits itself with honour nonetheless.

 

[Monster]

So HvS lapped the car about 14 sec slower than Nissan's official test driver (can't remember his name), officially the track as 73 corners, so HvS was only about 0.192 sec slower per corner than the guy who drove hundreds of laps on the circuit to develop the car.

 

[martinbo]

^Don't bother... ^

HvS is a crap driver, the GT-R is rubbish, Nissan lied about the factory times, Suzuki is on performance enhancing drugs, the Pope isn't Catholic and the new Kings Of Leon album is better than the previous one...

[Siiigghhhh....]

 

[Mr Robert]

Credit where it's due. Even off the factory claims - the GT-R acquits itself with honour nonetheless.

The credit is due at 7:34 and will be delviered right about there.

 

[Kowalski]

Flame suit on... here it goes.

I didn't care for the Nissan GT-R and I certainly don't care for the "new" one.

I don't give a flying *eff* if can lap the Nordschleife in 30 seconds. Still doesn't make me want one, even if I could afford one I still wouldn't want one. Actually, the GT-R is so ugly it actually makes me feel nauseous. I hate it.

 

[Sunny]

I specially don't give a **** for those who worship this thing, as if it is the holy grail of all cars.

I don't think it is holy grail of anything, but I assure you the feeling is ****ing mutual.

 

[rollo]

I can totally understand if some hate the looks of the GTR. But the performance is truly amazing. We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own set of facts......

 

[Guibo]

So HvS lapped the car about 14 sec slower than Nissan's official test driver (can't remember his name), officially the track as 73 corners, so HvS was only about 0.192 sec slower per corner than the guy who drove hundreds of laps on the circuit to develop the car.

Actually, it's closer to thousands of laps. So the claim is not as miraculous as some might think, especially with fluctuations in weather considered.

BTW, this was posted on a GT-R forum yesterday:
"7'24".22 is what Nissan (Europe) states in their official newsletter I had in my inbox this morning..."

 

[footie]

So far Nissan have gotten it down to 7:24, an incredible time by an incredible car. It will be interesting to see what these changes will do to how the car actually drive like on the road.

 

[Mr Robert]

Actually, it's closer to thousands of laps. So the claim is not as miraculous as some might think, especially with fluctuations in weather considered.

BTW, this was posted on a GT-R forum yesterday:
"7'24".22 is what Nissan (Europe) states in their official newsletter I had in my inbox this morning..."

But if it can't be replicated, does it really matter? Oh, well, everyone is free to value manufacturer claims the way they want.

On a more interesting note: the GT-R is as fast as the GT3 RS, talk about different approaches of reaching the same measurable result. I love the diversity!

 

[Guibo]

But if it can't be replicated, does it really matter? Oh, well, everyone is free to value manufacturer claims the way they want.

On a more interesting note: the GT-R is as fast as the GT3 RS, talk about different approaches of reaching the same measurable result. I love the diversity!

I think in the grand scheme of things, if owners never take their car there (and the vast majority never will), it doesn't really matter. So it shouldn't matter to cast doubt on what a manufacturer claims.
And who's to say Toshio Suzuki can't replicate that time?

But for the sake of argument, the whole point about these lap times for benchracers like us is to determine what the true capability of a car is. Obviously, it's the point of the manufacturer's pride to quote these figures as well. It's full max 100% potential. Obviously, that's not going to come at the hands of a journalist who is given one flying timed lap in unknown weather conditions and with stability control settings that cut in too abruptly. The point is the weather alone accounts for so much of the variable, and even race car drivers can have quite different lap times in what should be identical cars only minutes apart on a much smaller track; we see this played out on race weekends. Chris Harris said himself he can see times of 5 seconds in his race car in what would appear to be climatically identical conditions, and has said a similar discrepancy is more attributable to the size of the driver's genitals than the condition of the car in question. Walter Rohrl's published times in the CGT have varied by 10 seconds. It depends on the conditions; it can depend on the driver's mood. And a mixture of both. If he sees something he doesn't like on the track, he's not going to press 10/10ths on the warmup. By the time he comes back around 7 and a half minutes later, that part of the track can be slightly different.
With all of this in mind, it's up to us to decide if a manufacturer's claim falls within a reasonable range to be considered valid.

 

[footie]

It's a well known fact that development drivers can easily out perform even the most gifted of drivers in their product, familiarity breeds extra confidence and knowledge in what the car is actually capable of. In the pre-face lift version of the GTR Horst got to within 9 seconds of what was the original GTR record, a time that was achieved with only 3 laps done which is customary by Sportauto.

I've always had the opinion that Nissan's claims were genuine but I can also fully understand why someone else might find it difficult to get their head around that fact.

 

[Mr Robert]

To me, it's simple: if what you claim can't be redone by someone else, your claim is irrelevant.

 

[Guibo]

To me, it's simple: if what you claim can't be redone by someone else, your claim is irrelevant.

Out of curiosity, what is even the point of comparing Nurburgring lap times? Would you say the Viper ACR's time is irrelevant?

 

[gdm]

To me, it's simple: if what you claim can't be redone by someone else, your claim is irrelevant.

Really?if so,United States claimed they have landed the Moon must be false and they cheated the whole world,although they have revealed the video of landing as proof.because untill now,no other country can republicate the action United States claimed.
Haha,what a funny and stupid logic.

 

[Zafiro]

We can have the longest discussion we want but the the only laptime that matters when you want to compare with other cars is lap done with independent driver/same driver - such as Sportauto.

Do no try do explain that Im wrong.

 

[DeDe]

We can have the longest discussion we want but the the only laptime that matters when you want to compare with other cars is lap done with independent driver/same driver - such as Sportauto.

Do no try do explain that Im wrong.

You're right. Same track, same driver, same way of testing - with different cars. The best way to compare cars.

 

[Mr Robert]

Really?if so,United States claimed they have landed the Moon must be false and they cheated the whole world,although they have revealed the video of landing as proof.because untill now,no other country can republicate the action United States claimed.
Haha,what a funny and stupid logic.

Has anyone else tried to land on the moon?

Implying that people are stupid is generally frowned upon around here, so I would like you to refrain from that in the future. Ok?

Out of curiosity, what is even the point of comparing Nurburgring lap times? Would you say the Viper ACR's time is irrelevant?

The general point must be to test how cars perform compared to eachother.

The time is quite irrelevant if it is done by the manufacturer and no-one else has managed to get close. That is my way of looking at it - it is allowed to have a different view.

 

[footie]

We can have the longest discussion we want but the the only laptime that matters when you want to compare with other cars is lap done with independent driver/same driver - such as Sportauto.

Do no try do explain that Im wrong.

While I agree with you on this one could argue different, for example all this proves is that with 'that' driver 'this' car was quicker than 'that' car on a particular track. Some drivers are far better driving and more familiar with a certain type of drivetrain or every brand of motor which will affect the outcome slightly.

But what manufacturers times prove is what the car is actually capable of on a certain track, personally I wish all manufacturers would post their lap times.