Sport Auto - Nordschleife laptimes

[DeDe]

Sport Auto 04/2011



7.38 min - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera (570 hp, 1493 kg)

Four seconds slower than the R8 GT on the same tyres - because the Audi is better balanced.

 

[DeDe]

Sport Auto 05/2011



7.36 min - Nissan GT-R My2011 (530 hp, 1784 kg, 0-200 km/h: 11,5 s)

Two seconds slower than the one they've tested last year at the car's introduction.

 

[DeDe]

Sport Auto 06/2011



8.20 min - Audi RS3, 340 hp, 1647 kg

 

[Zafiro]

8.20 minutes Not what I expected, far from it. 1M must be quicker than that, otherwise I'll be very disappointed.

 

[conneem]

8.20 minutes Not what I expected, far from it. 1M must be quicker than that, otherwise I'll be very disappointed.

I did expect it to be ~10s seconds behind the TTRS due it's extra ~150kg. I don't think S-Tronic would affect lap time too much either.

There was a time of 8:12 for the 1M mentioned before but I do not know where it came from, it wasn't a Sport Auto test anyway

 

[Mr Robert]

8.20 minutes Not what I expected, far from it. 1M must be quicker than that, otherwise I'll be very disappointed.

Isn't 8:20 about what was to be expected? About the same as the E46 M3, which is a bit lighter and, of course, RWD.

The 1M should also be around here, give or take 5 seconds.

 

[DeDe]

Sport Auto 07/2011



8.15 min - BMW 1M, 1513 kg

5 seconds faster than the RS3, but 6 seconds slower than a TT RS.

 

[Zafiro]

I hoped for 8.11 min but at leasts its faster than Rs3 which really is disappointing around N-ring. A Golf R is only 3 seconds behind.

 

[DeDe]

A Golf R is only 3 seconds behind.

You mean 14 seconds?

 

[Guibo]

There was a time of 8:12 for the 1M mentioned before but I do not know where it came from, it wasn't a Sport Auto test anyway

Apparently, it came from Steve Davies (formerly of Evo/Drivers Republic) quoting BMW sources at the initial drive event last year.


A time of 8:15 for Sport Auto show how conservative BMW are with some of their times. I would not have expected an 8:11, as I can't recall a single instance of HvS beating the manufacturer's time. Matching it on some occasions, but never under. But really, we're splitting hairs among cars that are 5-6s different on different days.
I would be curious as to what the 1M managed on the DH straight. The M3 and TTRS had listed top speeds off track of 280 kph and 266/257, respectively, on the Nordschleife. The 1M seemed to hit a strict 250 limit in the initial Sport Auto test.

 

[Poverty]

HVS beat the factory m3 csl time didnt he?

 

[Sunny]

I don't think there was a "factory time" for CSL or for that matter any BMW, even 1M. The 8:12 AFAIK is just a mish-mash of two times. BMW said 10 secs faster than E46 M3. People put that and Sport Auto's time for for E46 M3 (8:22) and came up with 8:12. BMW never said 8:12, at least AFAIK.

 

[DeDe]

I think you're right, Sunny.

Btw. I'd love to see how close a 1M could get to the CSL's 7.50 min time on Pilot Sport Cup or ContiForceContact semi-slicks.

 

[Mr Robert]

Good enough time, given the inefficient, but highly rewarding, layout.

 

[Giannis]

I am very curious if SportAuto will test the new Renault Megane RenaultSport 265 Trophy, since Renault claims a 8.08 min Ring time. Here's Renault's press release:

A time of 8 minutes 08 seconds has seen the new limited edition Mégane Renaultsport 265 Trophy set a new benchmark time for a production-specification front-wheel drive car at the Nürburgring's infamous Nordschleife circuit. This performance beats the attempts of several far more powerful, rear-wheel drive cars
Renault Sport – Renault's performance division – illustrates its passion and expertise yet again. Today's achievement provides further evidence of the technological excellence that goes into the design of Renault models and of how motorsport-proven technical solutions are carried over to its production cars

A feat that has 'shortened' the Nordschleife...
Renault Sport established its first lap record for a front-wheel drive production car at the Nordschleife on 23 June 2008. The time of 8 minutes 17 seconds posted that day by the Mégane Renaultsport R26.R demonstrated that a showroom-specification front-wheel drive car could beat high-performance models from some elite specialist brands and tuners. Today, it was the turn of Mégane Renaultsport 265 Trophy to beat the time by a full 9 seconds, a lap record that has stood for three years.

Today's impressive lap time is the result of the newcomer's extra 15hp, at 265hp, along with careful set-up work and an optimised tyre choice by Renault Sport engineers.

The latest achievement speaks volumes for Renault's ability to incorporate its motorsport expertise and experience – including Formula 1 – into its production cars. Indeed, Mégane Renaultsport 265 Trophy has benefited directly from all the areas in which Renault Sport excels, from design quality and exacting reliability, to painstakingly tuned engines, chassis and brakes.

Supercar performance... for a much wider audience of enthusiasts
The time posted at the Nürburgring puts Mégane Renaultsport 265 Trophy on a par with an extremely prestigious list of supercars, giving a level of performance which rivals that of exclusive cars with power outputs of up to and beyond 500hp.

Laurent Hurgon (development driver, Renault Sport):
"The Nordschleife is a legendary course. Its length and layout, which is very different to that of a conventional circuit, make it a unique and technically demanding challenge. Its difficulties are extremely varied, ranging from fast and even very fast in places to much twistier and slower portions. Turns like 'Karusell' and 'Pflanzgarten', for example, make huge demands of the car and driver alike, yet Mégane Renaultsport Trophy is very much in its element here and feels particularly reassuring despite the uncompromising nature of the terrain. The limited slip differential allowed me to accelerate hard out of the countless turns without understeer. The carefully-tuned Cup chassis, the dampers, the fade-resistant brakes, the Recaro seats, the power of the 265hp engine, the ready availability of torque between 2,500 and 5,000rpm and the car's Bridgestone RE 050A (235/35 R19) tyres allowed me to make the most of the car's enormous potential, especially into and out of the corners. It is this package which enabled me to post such a quick time round this circuit which you must always approach with a certain degree of humility."

MÉGANE RENAULTSPORT AND MOTORSPORT

Mégane is very active in both rallying and circuit racing. Designed for rallying, Mégane Renaultsport N4 stands out immediately through its looks. Widely acclaimed for the quality of its chassis and engine, it is an ideal choice for privateer teams and drivers. Developed for tarmac competition, the N4 is emerging as a new benchmark on sealed-surface events.

On track, Mégane Trophy V6 takes the lines of the production version a step further to combine carefully-honed aerodynamics and a remarkably elegant stance. It sets new standards in the world of 'high performance' racing saloons. Designed and engineered solely for motorsport, this prototype delivers 360hp while tipping the scales at 980kg. It has become emblematic of the World Series by Renault and delivers unrivalled performance/driving pleasure package for its price and class.

More information on the Mégane Renaultsport range is available at Renaultsport - Home, with the latest Renault news on Renault TV on Sky Guide 883 and Freesat 651, or by following on twitter @renault_uk.

 

[Guibo]

I don't think there was a "factory time" for CSL or for that matter any BMW, even 1M. The 8:12 AFAIK is just a mish-mash of two times. BMW said 10 secs faster than E46 M3. People put that and Sport Auto's time for for E46 M3 (8:22) and came up with 8:12. BMW never said 8:12, at least AFAIK.

Evo Magazine, in an interview with BMW M's chief engineer for the E46 M3, quoted him as saying 8:22. The condition of that test gives an indication of why BMW's times seem conservative: there was a driver and a passenger on that lap.
We will almost never see an "official" time from BMW in print or marketing materials. Usually, the information is given informally at 1st drive interviews, similar to what Porsche normally do. I think both companies prefer to use these as internal benchmarks, rather than as absolutes to be compared with products by other companies; Porsche learned this the hard way, in its spat with Nissan.

 

[Soup]

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[Giannis]

So, this Megane is faster around the Ring than the 1M? Impressive, isn't it, for a 265hp FWD french car?

 

[Soup]

Renaultsport Megane 265 Trophy - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

Power: 261bhp at 5500rpm; Torque: 355lb ft at 3000rpm; Gearbox: 6spd manual

Renault's fastest road car: the Megane 265 Trophy - Telegraph

The newcomer has a power-to-weight ratio of 188bhp per tonne thanks to the engine's maximum turbo pressure being uprated to 2.5 bar, together with the air intake being revised to accommodate the higher pressure and running temperatures.

2.5bar !!!!

 

[DeDe]

So, this Megane is faster around the Ring than the 1M?

In the hands of a professional Renault-testdriver...
In the hands of Horst von Saurma it would be much slower, since he managed 8.29 min with the stock Mégane RS Cup.

We can not compare factory drivers' time to HvS-times.